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He told his mom details on our financial set up!

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ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 13:11

Heads up: this is a very long post with lots of background info.

I am a 25 year old woman old engaged to my fiancé who is a 29 year old man. We have been dating since I was 19 and he was 24. When I say we are madly in love with each other we are madly in love with each other. We are each others first relationships. We mesh together perfectly. We had a bit of a long engagement not due to any issues at all in our relationship just because I was in college and my fiance was still getting figured out in his career.

We both met when we both didn’t have a lot of money I was living at home with my parents and he was living with an older man that used to be his neighbor who was renting out a small spare bedroom. Since then we grown into our careers and adults lives together. He moved and we did long distance for 16 months until I got everything together and was ready to move together into our apartment and then we got a house. once we moved into the house together we decided to start sharing finances and viewing things as “our” money instead of “his” or “her” money. We have a joint account where we would put all the money in that goes towards necessities such as bills and home repairs and groceries and what not. Then based on percentages we would take out our respective amounts of the joint account for the necessities. We then have our own separate account which our “fun money” goes in and then another joint account of a budgeted amount that our savings goes in that we don’t touch.

Then this way we have the same amount left over for fun things such as he has his truck hobby with his pick up truck that he owns that he likes to tinker with and I get a pedicure and my hair colored now and again or dinner out with friends stuff like that. This is the obvious way to do it to me bc obviously we operate as a team and engaged and not roommates so we want to make sure each other has the same amount to “toy around with” so to speak. We weren’t nickel and diming each other. He makes a little over 2 times what I make not that I don’t work just as hard it’s just our chosen careers which we are both very passionate about happen to pay that amount.

We would base what we contribute financially based on percentage so we still have the same money left over and I wouldn’t be stuck with nothing or very little while he has a lot more left over. To us that’s what being a team and getting married means. He pays the mortgage and I pay utilities such as electric, water, internet, toilet trees, I pay for our home delivery meal service that comes for dinners 5 nights a week. I also am responsible for cleaning the house and if there are home repair issues or something needs to be renovated like for example our master bathroom recently got redone I handle all that. Finding the contractors to come out and manning the job and picking out what we want.

We never argue about money and we are both very happy with this financial set up and we both feel it’s very fair and equal. Multiple people have commented on how it’s beautiful we are so in love and have built our lives up together after meeting each other when we both basically had nothing or very little to our name and they can’t wait for us to be married.

The one thing we disagree about is his mother. I feel my fiancé involves her very heavily in his/our life. She lives 13 hours away and my fiancé is the oldest and she has 2 younger sons. She has a big family lots of friends and isn’t lonely by any stretch yet my fiance tells her at any given time the exact home repairs we are doing, if something goes wrong with our home, if we happen to have less money than expected. They talk everyday or just about and I feel like it’s a bit overbearing and strange given she isn’t lonely. I don’t meet that many adults who want their parents that heavily involved in their personal lives. I think I would cry and feel suffocated if my mom was that involved in the knowing of everything that happens. Well the icing on top of the cake for me was he told his mom our exact financial arrangement/set up. He told her how we have our accounts set up, who contributes what, who pays what. The only thing he didn’t tell her was how much we have in those accounts.

i cried when he told me this because I said finances and inlaws/family don’t mix. I said I understand you are close to your mom and fine even though I find it annoying that she has to know every detail of our lives telling her our exact financial set up is not ok. I said I’m beginning to feel like his mom is a third person in our relationship and there is no reason she needs to be privy to our finances and how we have it set up. I said a couple’s finances is between them and them alone and a possible financial advisor who is a professional and not a biased party like a parent and of course our bank. Unless his mom is giving us money which we are independent adults on our own two feet so she isn’t. So absolutely no reason she needs knowledge on our banking info. To me that hooks be common sense. My fiancé and I have such a solid and close relationship I also underneath the anger feel very hurt and betrayed that without me there or even checking with me he just told his mom all our financial info not even thinking about my feelings. For her to know about such private information I feel “exposed” not in the physical sense but the mental sense.

I said when we get married I don’t want to feel like your mom is the third person in our marriage. He did apologize and explain he told her because she was just talking about finances in general and it flowed with the conversation but I told him I was still upset and just needed some alone time. Not alone time to rethink the relationship obviously because every relationship has issues once in a great while but just time to calm down.

Im sure we can all agree that given his mom that much access into our financial set up isn’t a good idea but AIBU to be this upset and worked up over it? I just feel there needs to be boundaries especially as an adult in a serious relationship. And maybe when you’re a teenager telling your parents every little thing is fine but I don’t want his mom living in our pocket.

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dynamiccactus · 23/01/2025 16:36

BendingSpoons · 23/01/2025 13:27

I personally don't find the level of detail strange. We are quite open with both sets of parents about things like finances, costs of repairs etc.

Yes I've always been very open with my parents about finances as well. Well, with my mum. My dad would tell me I had more money than sense whatever I bought :)

DH less so.

Jewel52 · 23/01/2025 16:37

CautiousLurker01 · 23/01/2025 15:34

Am British and so is DH. I am not sure that at any stage in our 33 years his parents have known anything about his finances. We are close as a family and I discuss everything happily with my InLaws, but our finances are just not spoken off. They have no idea whatsoever how much DH earns, has saved etc. They can make an educated guess based on the house value, though.

That said I wouldn’t be in the least bit upset if DH told them - however, I know he would be if I discussed them. Beyond ‘do you need anything’ or ‘do you have enough’ he feels it’s not their business.

So, I think the issue is not that it’s cultural but it’s a boundary you’d prefer to observe. I think you are perfectly at liberty to explain that you prefer to keep your finances private. He can discuss his own (how much he earns/saves etc) if he wants to, but he’s not to discuss your financials. Ever.

My DH doesn’t call his mother (or father) pretty much ever. We have a whole family whatsapp where we share memes and pics; he fires off a private email to his dad if he wants advice. We see them twice a year for 3-7 days and had a few holidays with them when our kids were young. We love each other dearly but don’t live in each other’s pockets. I’m the person most likely to call his mum with news about the kids etc.

So I think it’s fair enough to want to assert your personal boundary on financial matters. But I’d broach this calmly with fiance and I’d keep the emotion/anger/drama out of it - just state where those boundaries are for you. And, I think that you may have others that you’ve not rubbed up against, so I do wonder whether relationship counselling isn’t wise before marriage? He DOES sound overly enmeshed with his mum and if you don’t clearly delineate with him which aspects of your life are off limits, there will be seepage. For example, if you start a family will he expect/allow her to move in briefly post birth, to ‘help’, and will he back you up if she takes over, makes remarks you feel are critical? If he gets a job offer, perhaps for an overseas move, will he discuss it with her before you, will her opinion override yours?

Finally, you talk in emotive terms about being ‘madly in love’. To me this hints at a love/relationship that is not necessarily mature. Forgive me, but it’s the way teenagers talk about love. I love my husband, yes, but the ‘madly in love’ thing was the initial buzz. I’ve never used that phrase about anyone, not even my DH. By 5 years it had matured into something else. After 33 years its deeper, based on shared values, shared history, surviving the tribulations of SEN kids and losing friends we loved dearly, joint enterprise (kids, our home, joint dreams about how will will spend our retirement years if we ever get shot of the kids, how we would support his family as they age, etc).

I wonder whether you need counselling, together, to explore precisely what you both want out of life and whether your joint goals and values genuine do mesh? And this includes understanding how his relationship with his mother dovetails with that with you.

This is such sane pragmatic advice, particularly the part about deciding on shared boundaries so that her partner understands her concept of privacy. Hope the op takes it on board as I can’t see in any of her posts that she’s talking honestly with her partner.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 16:38

Bleachbum · 23/01/2025 16:24

Why do you give your soon to be DH so little credit that you assume that his DM could influence him to screw you over financially with hypothetical advice? Why do you worry that he is lying to you when he says that she didn’t offer any advice? Where is all this mistrust coming from?

I know that my FIL advised my DH when we got together (very young) to protect his assets until we were married. I think he may also have mentioned a pre-nup as an idea.

My DH listened to the advice but decided that it wasn’t necessary. That he knew me and knew that if we ever split up, that I would only want what is fair and equitable. I wouldn’t be going after the family heirlooms!

It’s ok and normal for people to talk to their parents, sound them out on things, get advice and perspective. They don’t have to act on the advice though!

But knowing how his mother been towards me why would he want to get advice from someone so cold and unwelcoming to his partner? That’s the million dollar question to me. Super common sense as he is a very smart man kicks in to say hmmm she hasn’t exactly bent the most welcoming to my fiancé her advice would only benefit me and wouldn’t be in favor of my partner at all. That’s why I’m very hurt with my fiancé

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HollyKnight · 23/01/2025 16:38

Once your child is headed towards marriage and especially once engaged/married your advice should be given in support of the benefit of the team the relationship. Not just in the interest of your child.

Um no. A mother should put their child first always. If the relationship is in the best interests of their child, then they will support it. But if their child is in an abusive controlling relationship, they will support their child to leave that relationship. Is that your real fear? Does your future MIL think you are bad for her son? It would explain why she has no interest in you as a person, and it would explain your wild paranoia.

Bleachbum · 23/01/2025 16:38

never asking about me, never reaching out to me, not acknowledging my birthday, still leaving me off of Christmas cards despite us being together for years engaged and living together, telling my fiance I’m not invited on family vacations

This is your issue OP, not the finance chat, that’s a red herring.

You need to speak to your FDH and tell him how much his DM excluding you and acting as though you don’t exist is hurting you.

If your FDH can’t see that your exclusion is a huge issue that needs fixing then you have many many years of hurt and arguments ahead of you.

Just a bit of advice from someone who is 20 years ahead of you….. I wouldn’t marry until you are on better terms with his DM.

Suzuki76 · 23/01/2025 16:39

I don't think I've ever seen a thread where the word "marriage" has been used so much by one OP. It's not a magic wand and will not change your fiancés behaviour, nor will it devalue your MIL's opinion if he already trusts it (too much).

LazyArsedMagician · 23/01/2025 16:40

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 14:32

Well remember I’m trash for not bringing in the exact same money to a T as my fiancé so I have to make myself useful somewhere. No nut in all seriousness it’s the arrangement we came up with. Since I did feel bad (which my fiance shut down right away) that my career choice paid less than his I agreed hey I’ll take care of the household burdens such as cleaning and keeping up with home repairs and arranging those. It’s an arrangement that works for us and we are both happy with our arenahemrnt from everything to finances to division of household labor.

Now if I did say it’s my fiancé’s home too he needs to help
clean everyone would be focused solely on the money aspect and say how dare you he carried the financial burden the least you could do is keep after the home. Feel like I can’t win on here.

You're being ridiculous.

You didn't like he discussed the finances with his mum, told him so and he said he won't do it again. What more do you want? He can't go back in time and change it can he? I don't even know why he told you as it seems it was just a general discussion.

But the fact he lets you do all the housework isn't great. He should be taking on half of the responsibility if he is such a great man and whatever. This might be fine while you're a young couple in love, but add a kid into the mix and you will not find it quite so good. That's the biggest concern I've read in your OP and you don't even seem to think it's an issue.

reichs79 · 23/01/2025 16:40

Bleachbum · 23/01/2025 16:38

never asking about me, never reaching out to me, not acknowledging my birthday, still leaving me off of Christmas cards despite us being together for years engaged and living together, telling my fiance I’m not invited on family vacations

This is your issue OP, not the finance chat, that’s a red herring.

You need to speak to your FDH and tell him how much his DM excluding you and acting as though you don’t exist is hurting you.

If your FDH can’t see that your exclusion is a huge issue that needs fixing then you have many many years of hurt and arguments ahead of you.

Just a bit of advice from someone who is 20 years ahead of you….. I wouldn’t marry until you are on better terms with his DM.

This ^^

Completelyjo · 23/01/2025 16:41

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 16:38

But knowing how his mother been towards me why would he want to get advice from someone so cold and unwelcoming to his partner? That’s the million dollar question to me. Super common sense as he is a very smart man kicks in to say hmmm she hasn’t exactly bent the most welcoming to my fiancé her advice would only benefit me and wouldn’t be in favor of my partner at all. That’s why I’m very hurt with my fiancé

Maybe you don’t have as good of a relationship as you think you do. He allows his mother to cut out of things, he’s happy for you to work full time the same as him and yet you have to take on every single thing around the home from washing to buying the food to repairs and renovation.
You can be madly in love but it doesn’t mean your partner respects you.

Abracadabra12345 · 23/01/2025 16:41

It could be that this is giving you pause, OP and that's a very good thing. Maybe you aren't this fairy tale couple after all, and that's fine because no one is.

Mil problems can be a huge problem and you're not even married yet, let alone have kids. One things for sure - he won't stop talking every day to his mum. Maybe she senses your dislike which is why she hasn't welcomed you. Maybe she's protective of him.

Itisjustmyopinion · 23/01/2025 16:43

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 16:32

my parents look out for both of us. A DIL becomes a member of the family and the possible mother of your GC. Once your child is headed towards marriage and especially once engaged/married your advice should be given in support of the benefit of the team the relationship. Not just in the interest of your child. So if she gives financial advice it should be hey I think doing this may help your marriage or give you more disposable income hey maybe cut back on here. Not here’s what can help you but screw her.

You do realise that people remain as individuals when married and can maintain individual relationships, especially with their parents

His parents will always naturally prioritise his well-being as much as your parents will naturally look out for you first before your partner

So there will be times that someone will give him advice that doesn’t need to concern you and vice versa. It is not healthy to always be seen as one entity in a relationship, you are two individual people and will always be that way or at least should be. You talk about him being enmeshed with his parents, a couple insisting that they always come together or not at all are the ones that can be enmeshed imo

ForZanyAquaViewer · 23/01/2025 16:43

Are you the same poster who obsessively posts about her MIL? Always different situations/issues, but the same unwillingness to be told YABU and the same fixation on being ‘prioritised’ by your partner.

If it isn’t you, then you two should definitely hook up and start a club of some sort.

saraclara · 23/01/2025 16:43

MoosakaWithFries · 23/01/2025 13:44

The British are far more reserved about discussing finances/salaries than Americans...and you're hearing this from a British viewpoint.

Yep, my friends in the US (and I have quite a few) are WAY more open about financial stuff than I am and my fellow British friends are.

I'm also pretty private, but my own kids know about my finances, and they've shared (in general terms, not amounts) how they and their partners manage their budgets.

laveritable · 23/01/2025 16:44

Your fiancé has a very healthy and sound relationship with his mum: that is probably the reason why he is such a good man!

genie10 · 23/01/2025 16:45

Whoa...you are making hypothetical problems. What if she gave him this advice? (She didn't). Assuming any advice she gives in the future will be detrimental to you (with no evidence,)
It's not healthy to want to be privy to every conversation with his mother. You sound extremely immature, insecure and possessive. If this is your attitude towards his mother, no amount of nice gifts sent from you will bridge the gap. His relationship with his mother is not in competition with you and in fact a man who cares for his parents bodes well.
I think you need to wait a few years before marrying .You may have matured by then.

Hwi · 23/01/2025 16:45

You are just pissed off he earns more than you do and the way you finances are run you benefit more, that is all. Obviously you don't want his mum to know about it, understandable.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 16:47

IhaveanewTVnow · 23/01/2025 15:43

Mommy ……

leave him alone op. Just trying to change a families dynamics. He loves you. But he has known his mum longer 🤣 sorry. You can’t just expect men to not talk to their mums. It shows they can relate to women.

What are you trying to imply with the he known his mom longer? That she’s more important that me? That he shouldn’t put our relationship first??

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Scout2016 · 23/01/2025 16:47

I can see your point OP, and personally I wouldn't want a partner who spoke to their mum everyday. Unpopular and unreasonable and maybe irrational I'm sure but that's my preference. It would give me the ick. I would try to be cool with it but end up rolling my eyes and thinking "on the phone again, wtf have they got to talk about since yesterday, can they not go one day without each other?" That said, I am the same with all relationships, so maybe I am just cold.

Anyway, I would decide if you are comfortable with it or not before you get married and have children because it won't get better. The fact she makes little effort with you is interesting, although obviously that's mutual.

I have a great relationship with my MIL, btw, as does DH, but she makes the effort with me and vice versa and we have a relationship outside of DH. But obviously I knew he wasn't an on-the-phone-to-mum-daily person and I knew I liked his family when I married him so it's not a suprise that aspect is working out.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 16:48

IhaveanewTVnow · 23/01/2025 15:43

Mommy ……

leave him alone op. Just trying to change a families dynamics. He loves you. But he has known his mum longer 🤣 sorry. You can’t just expect men to not talk to their mums. It shows they can relate to women.

You also left out the part or ignored it where I said a 30 year old man doesn’t need his mother to tell him how to handle his marriage if he does that’s a problem and sign of enmeshed

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Whoarethoseguys · 23/01/2025 16:49

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 15:16

Hopefully you won’t push his partner out and you will care about her as well

I care very much for my children's partners because they make my children happy.
But my relationship with my children is different because they are my children

coffeeAndasandwich · 23/01/2025 16:49

Your husband has the same relationship with his mother as mine but....my marriage exists because she told him to get married to me, she gave us money for the first deposit, brought us furniture, came at the birth of the baby, keep sending us money and one day you realise she is not against you , unless you have proof that she actually is

justanotherboymum · 23/01/2025 16:50

I don't see any issue with this personally

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 23/01/2025 16:51

Blimey, this sounds like a nightmare. The run up to the wedding can be stressful but this much drama would have me running for the hills.
The ‘mom’ didn’t give off any energy that she disliked the OP, but clearly the OP has many issues with her. And laid out here, I get why.
But there is a man here who needs to step up and decide how he wants to live is his life, what his priorities are and what he wants from a marriage.
Posters here yesterday told ‘mom’ that her son was being very well provided for.
But it seems the issues run deeper.
I wouldn’t want to marry anyone whose mother didn’t put my name on a card. Game over.

Whattostudy · 23/01/2025 16:52

Bloody hell. Get a grip fgs.

I read your OP and your first reply but honestly…look at what essays you’re writing about your partner (who it sounds like you love a lot and have a great relationship with) talking to his Mom about money! Not even moaning or complaining…just having a general conversation. If this is your biggest problem then just count yourself lucky and unclench.

She doesn’t even sound that bad as a MIL. She’s not always round your house, undermining you or anything. I can’t understand the fuss. You’re being really dramatic.

EllieQ · 23/01/2025 16:52

YANBU @ThisQuickJadeWasp and I’m surprised that you’ve had so many hostile responses given that Brits are usually more private about finances. Given what you say about his mom not bring particularly welcoming, I understand why this has made you uncomfortable, and I’m glad that your fiancé has agreed not to share financial information again. A few other people have mentioned medical information, and I would agree that you need to make it clear if you don’t want this shared with his family, especially regarding fertility/ pregnancy/ childbirth.

I had a similar situation with my PIL. My DH was closer to his parents that I was to mine, and I often felt he told them things I didn’t feel they needed to know, but it wasn’t enough to bother me. Then several years ago we had to share some information about my health issues with them (it could not be avoided), and they told other people (who then started asking me about it - very upsetting for me). DH was upset too, and did start telling them less about our lives, which I appreciated.

We had also both realised that sharing so much information meant PIL were still treating us as teens/ university students (we met at university) - DH would tell them something (eg: we need to repair the guttering) and they’d take it as asking for advice and constantly go on about it (have you got it sorted yet/ it will cause damp if you don’t fix it) as though we were incapable. It was hard to get them out if the parent-child dynamic to adult-adult conversations.

Also regarding you doing all the housework - I can see that it made sense as you are the lower earner, but it’s not very fair. A better way of looking at it is making sure you have equal leisure time - if he’s out of the house for 12 hours a day and you’re home by 4, then that’s fair. But if you’re spending the evening and weekends doing housework while he’s relaxing, that’s not fair.

And if you’re planning children, you do not want to be in a situation when you’re still expected to do all the housework and childcare. You do not want to be recovering from childbirth/ getting to grips with looking after a newborn, and have a husband who won’t make a meal or do the laundry because he’s got so used to you doing all of that. I know you’ve said in one post that he’s a good guy who respects women, but it’s easy for those principles to slip when faced with the reality of life with newborn and having the excuse of ‘I don’t know what to do because you’ve always done it’.

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