The KKK is feeling pretty empowered

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This is what happens when a man like Donald Trump gets in power.

These are the people who feel empowered.

While MN celebrates the " only two genders ", people of colour in Kentucky are scared.

I've seen threads on here wishing the UK had Trump. Is this really what you want?

Is this really the type of people you want in power?

Those that voted for Trump over trans issues, what about shit like this? Or women dying from lack of abortion access? Or climate change? Or the casual revisiting of gay marriage rights?

According to GLAAD all resources referencing LGBTQ and HIV have been removed from the White House website. Gay, lesbian, no results come up in the search.

" Pages removed include WhiteHouse.gov’s equity report (no longer accessible), a fact sheet with information on expanding access to HIV prevention and treatment (no longer accessible), and information about LGBTQ Pride Month (no longer accessible). Agency page removals include Department of State’s LGBTQ rights (no longer accessible), and Department of Labor’s LGBTQ workers page (no longer accessible). "

glaad.org/releases/breaking-trump-administration-removes-lgbtq-and-hiv-resources-from-white-house-and-other-government-websites/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/22/kkk-immigrants-flyers-kentucky

This is scary shit. I don't get how any one envies?

Do you want to reference any mentions of their intentionality? Or Trump corroborating that?

I mean, do we assume that all Muslim politician's are intent on converting the population or imposing Muslim cultural practices on everyone else? I don't think so.

Now you're bothered about dignity? Not something women have been afforded in this mess.

The Republicans might go too far, that is a possibility because they don't have a great track record of being balanced or compassionate across many issues and have done things I consider cruel going back as far as I can remember (which was Reagan). I'm happy to state that as being the case because I don't owe any allegiance to Trump, the Republicans or the MAGA movement, despite what some posters here may think. However on this issue they are the only party that has considered women and girls, regardless of their motives for doing so (which will be varied because political parties are made up of individuals)

So maybe at least one person who comes on these threads in defence of the Democrats and/or gender ideology could find it in themselves to admit that putting dangerous men in women's jails, not allowing safe spaces for women such as rape shelters, destroying Title IX and inflicting appalling injustices on women and girl athletes is equivalent cruelty by the Democrat party. A party who collectively refuse to do anything but double down and make excuses that frankly sound insane. Saying this doesn't negate good things Democrats have done over the decades.

You ask for compassion and understanding without ever having given an inch in return. Which is why this was open goal for Republicans.

Look, whatever I post or reference will not convince you anyway, and, frankly, I can't be arsed googling and collating a stack of evidence just for some random post on MN. There are countless news articles and information that has been freely available during the last months so you either ignored it or thought it was not problematic. From your tone and approach to discussion I suspect the latter. And as far as I'm concerned anyone who is a Trump apologist is a lost cause and is not worth my time.

Do you have any comment on this though?

I mean, do we assume that all Muslim politician's are intent on converting the population or imposing Muslim cultural practices on everyone else? I don't think so.

I'm not a Trump apologist. I do however think statements should be evidenced.

Project 2025 makes for fascinating reading, particularly the Department of Health of Human Services section as it goes into some detail about: the importance of the pious nuclear family; how bad the absence of a father in a child's life can be; increasing education into natural fertility methods and decreasing emphasis on the rhythm method; making abortion more difficult for women to obtain.

Given that many of the first goals of Project 2025 have already come to pass, there is no reason to surmise that the above may not occur.

https://static.project2025.org/2025MandateForLeadershipp_CHAPTER-14.pdf

Why do I have to comment on someone else's statement? I never said anything about Muslims.

Edited: in addition to this, my post was an OPINION, not a STATEMENT. I'm not in a position to make statements but I'm allowed to have an opinion.

You are deducing from public figures' lifestyles, culture and beliefs that they want to impose those on the population. I am wondering if that applies to other groups of political figures rather than just these?

But you already knew that.

Youngheartsalittletogetherness ·23/01/2025 19:06
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All from the man who described his daughter as a hot piece of ass🤮🤢

Oh good God that’s deeply disturbing.

I’m a feminist? Good luck in finding a post where I make that declaration. Or do I regularly talk about feminists, and the principles of feminism (or at least the ones that I know) and feminist ideals and what they are campaigning for and you have just made an assumption?

Because believe it or not, I don’t think of myself as a feminist as I would expect professional feminists would be declaring that I don’t make the cut. I certainly share a lot of the values and work on campaigns with some amazing feminists. Feel free to actually search my history.

But hey, you have already told me what my opinions are on this thread so obviously you aren’t about to stop now. I know for a fact that I am reluctant to accept labels in general and certainly reject labelling my beliefs under specific categories. But hey, you go for it!

Is it though? Because the groups behind this push are ones that want a Christian version of sharia law pushed on the population, ie they want to clearly define "women" not so that they can protect them but so that they can control, exploit and abuse them. I should know, I spent decades soaked in this stuff from vile so-called "godly men" who now have the President at their beck and call. Fun times ahead for US women.

“I Think the EO is and attack on trans rights and the celebration over it while Trump continues to fuck women over I'm every other way is a very selfish "I'm alright Jack" mentality. That you're all willing to overlook his misogyny because he screwed over another group you dislike is the tribalism and morally bankrupt in my opinion. The enemy of my enemy is my friend and all that when only a few days ago he would have been your enemy too.”

And this comes across like you don’t actually have a very deep understanding of the situation.

Plus you also seem to think that no person should be feeling happy about making partial progress in an overall campaign. Is that correct?

So no one should celebrate the partial achievement of an overall campaign, and feminists and women’s rights campaigners should only celebrate when female people have been fully liberated from oppression? Otherwise it can be considered as an ‘I am alright Jack’ moment.

How about recognising that many of the people expressing happiness about this one EO will be the ones still working and campaigning on plenty of other fronts while they are expressing their approval on this issue?

Every one of your posts at the moment shows you are entrenched in an absolutist position on most aspects you are posting on.

And by 'stuff' I mean ideology and theology. Stuff like - women who go out without the protection of men bring rape on themselves. Women who work outside the home are selfish and sinful and hate their children. Rape doesn't exist in marriage. Father's 'own' their daughters and must protect them from impurity. Women are not designed for leadership. Women's bodies are dangerous and tempting so should be hidden away. A woman's worth is her virginity before marriage and her porn-star status after - and of course having babies, looking perfect and never complaining. Women must obey their husbands. Any sexual feeling a woman has outside pleasing her husband is sinful. Any sexual activity outside of marriage makes a woman dirty like a used band aid, but be sure to always be available and look hot once you're married. If he cheats, it's your fault. If he hits you, it's your fault. If he rapes you, it's your fault. You just need to pray harder and never ever ever call it abuse.

I could go on but I'm giving myself palpitations. These are the beliefs of the groups behind the anti-trans push in the US. It's not by any stretch of the imagination good for women - when they say "protect women", just know you are not speaking the same language. "Protect" looks like the above.

I could go on but I'm giving myself palpitations. These are the beliefs of the groups behind the anti-trans push in the US. It's not by any stretch of the imagination good for women - when they say "protect women", just know you are not speaking the same language. "Protect" looks like the above.

But what is the implication of what you are saying here? Accept men in your spaces or the alternative is rowing back on other rights? Is that it?

Why can't we fight for our rights on all sides?

Anyone want to tell me what 'a lot of trans dignity and freedoms' have been taken away by the EO? Not what they are projecting will happen in the future, but what has actually happened because of the EO?

No one should have the right to have official documents about them that aren't true. It should never have been allowed that people could choose to have facts taken off their birth certificate or driving licence, and replaced with lies.

We're not allowed to change our date of birth, it's just a fact, it's not a comment on who you are as a person. It isn't taking away your dignity to say you can't have your birth certificate say you'd been born on 22nd March 1995, if you were actually born on 1st September 1984. Or that you can't have your absent father's name taken off and replaced with your lovely stepdad who raised you. Because it's not true. Why can't I identify as 70 and claim my pension? I feel bloody old some days, my DC would say I dress like an old woman, so why can't I? I'm sorry for people who were allowed to have official documents which fitted their feelings over facts but society can't function if identity overwrites reality.

Transpeople have the same rights and freedoms as everyone else. Taking away privileges, that other groups don't have and which should never have been granted, because they impact on other people who also have needs and rights, is not removing rights or freedoms.

I think your POV is a bit screwed. I'm not deducing anything - reading something and understanding what is written is not "deducing". Have you read Project 2025 manifesto? Trump is very supportive of it. Have you looked into who he appointed into various government offices and read about their political opinions and believes? All good and well with you, right?

And what other groups or political figures you are going on about, on a thread dedicated to Trump and KKK?

Great, let’s have a conversation about the EO and what it does and doesn’t do!

Can you list the freedoms that people with transgender identities lose? Let’s look at them one by one because it looks like you have read it and can discuss this with knowledge.

What freedoms have they lost? Were those freedoms you refer to human rights or additional privileges to the human rights that the government of the USA says it extends to its citizens?

You mention detransitioning. The OP mentioned that too and didn’t answer why or how this would work. Since you have mentioned it now too, would you like to explain what you see this ‘detransition’ meaning, what is the process and why it would be needed?

Because so far on this thread a heap of concerns have been vaguely mentioned but little discussion about those concerns has been engaged with. More they are mentioned like they are simply being repeated from other sources on the internet without the poster actually having thought it through for themselves.

You won't answer the question - and I totally understand why. Your lack of an answer speaks volumes.

I see Trump enacting all the things he says he would. Not 'Project 25'.

Apologies - said he would

Nope, it's not. There's absolutely space for that discussion and decent policies. But I think women need to be very very clear who they are dealing with here. It's not sensible people who want rational policies. It's a hijacking of that discussion to force through ideologies that are very very harmful. Think Duggar family territory. Look into the Quiverfull movement. Read up on US evangelical purity culture and the harm caused by it. Understand complementarian beliefs, because that is what is driving the need to ensure male and female categories are crystal clear and unequivocal. It is not for us or our good. It's for men to seek and assert control over us.

Sadly I think unless you've been on the inside of this world you really have no idea just how badly this could go. Those of us who've been there know all too well and we're screaming.

The wording of the EO is literally 'men and women are equal'. You're working yourself up about stuff it doesn't say.

Do I think Trump is a feminist or that the Republican party is a feminist party? No of course not. I'm pretty sure that the inside of Trump's head is a vile place and that I'd have very little in common with the majority of the US government.

This EO was clearly written by a feminist and it has the effect of projecting some important rights which were stolen from US women. I can be pleased about that without support/aligning myself with/ insert simplistic tribal thinking of your choice, Trump or the Republican party.

But I'm still not sure what you're saying. We're not allowed to support this one act because of what you're saying there? Surely we need to be more nuanced than this.

I am strongly opposed to any rolling back on women's rights. I am also strongly opposed to any rolling back on gay rights. However, I am strongly for preventing men changing their 'legal sex' and entering women's spaces.

This does not line up completely with any one political party.

The EO isn't the point. It's the culture that it supports and the people behind it. This is not a one-and-done thing. Trump has never scared me. Made me angry - yes. Scared - no. The men behind him scare the living shit out of me. I listened to their sermons for years. I read their books. I had pastors teach me from their resources. I know this world and I know what they do with male / female. How it's used. All that is standing between them and some pretty scary stuff is Trump, the Republican party, and a stacked Supreme Court. I don't think it's overstating it to say that we could be looking at the early stages of a theocracy in America. Note could. Not will. God I really, really hope not.

What a great post, I love the sarcasm!

Calling you a feminist is not different from all the posters, you included who have been telling me I'm a TRA for months now on these boards, despite me being no such thing, just because I believe that trans people should be treated with dignity and respect and given acceptance. Hypocrisy is rife here isn't it?

Imas far as detransitioning goes, the EO states someone cannot change sex or alter their legal documents. Therefore I assume all trans people will have to revert back to their previous gender/sex and pronouns on all of their identification. That doesn't mean they will have to change their names back too, perhaps they will, perhaps they won't. But if any one tries to deny that dictating a trans woman bust go back to being Mr Williams with male on her driving licence etc. and is not allowed to refer to herself as Miss Williams and be seen as a woman in society then that is humiliating and reducing her to nothing more than a man in a dress in societies eyes. Can you not see how that is cruel?

But I don't think you get to say what 'is the point' for many women.

For many women, the EO is very significant, while not necessarily disagreeing with you on the rest.

Im not quite sure what you think an appropriate response from me would be. Should I denounce this EO, despite my agreement with it and the significant implications it has for certain groups of women, because it comes from Trump?