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To be uncomfortable with church people giving out psalms in assembly

125 replies

Masmavi · 22/01/2025 00:04

We moved back from abroad last year. This is the first time my son has lived in the UK. He's in Year 7 at a state school, not church-affiliated.
Yesterday he came back from school with a book of psalms. A religious group/church had attended assembly, given a talk and afterwards given out the books.
AIBU to think this is inappropriate? The school has children of different faiths and this feels like proselytising. Is this considered normal in schools here? I'm not talking about church schools.

OP posts:
NormaleKartoffeln · 22/01/2025 14:41

Asvoria · 22/01/2025 14:29

Christ is referenced throughout the Old Testament.

Yup.
And?

BBQPete · 22/01/2025 14:44

miffmufferedmoof · 22/01/2025 08:49

Your son has been given a free book of incredibly ancient poetry, which has played a not insignificant role in the formation of our culture, and you’re annoyed about it?

Here we go. Why some people feel the need to be superior and patronising I have no idea.

But that post wasn't "superior" or "patronising" Hmm

Psalms is a book of ancient poetry. Now, you might like poetry, or you might not, but it is pretty odd to be offended by it.

As to who comes in to schools to do assemblies, that is pretty much down to who contacts the school and offers. The breadth of those offers, and the generosity of the people who come in in terms of time and in terms of gifts for the pupils will vary school to school, and area to area. Yes, the lessons will teach about all world faiths, but not all faiths have the personnel to build relationships with their local schools.

graceinspace999 · 22/01/2025 17:55

NormaleKartoffeln · 22/01/2025 09:13

Vikings actually existed.

I didn’t say they didn’t…

Fartypants83 · 22/01/2025 17:58

Every school has to provide elements of faith expression and faith education. This is a Christian country and that's the law.

Having psalms isn't forcing people to convert.

We need to understand faith, religion and our heritage more, not less. We need to understand other people's faith and viewpoints more, not less.

NormaleKartoffeln · 22/01/2025 17:58

graceinspace999 · 22/01/2025 17:55

I didn’t say they didn’t…

You were comparing something true and something questionable.

porridgebath · 22/01/2025 18:00

VickyEadieofThigh · 22/01/2025 00:13

OP, are you aware that it's still the law in English schools that there must be a daily act of collective worship?

DAILY?!!

Mochudubh · 22/01/2025 18:04

Needmorelego · 22/01/2025 00:11

Yes at my school (regular bog standard comp) 1st years - as we were called then - got given little bibles by the Gideons. I got mine in 1986 and my sister 3 years before.
So not a new thing.
At primary school we got given free toothbrushes and toothpaste from Colgate - under the concept of "learning how to brush our teeth".
My friend at a different secondary got free Tampax samples when someone came to do "The Talk".
It's just advertising really.

Edited

Did you get a red plastic tumbler from Colgate with a little rhyme printed on it?

Keep your happy smile
Sparkling, clean and bright
Brush after breakfast
and last thing at night.

I had mine for years till the print wore off.

We also had to go to church (CofS) three times a year at the end of term. I used to quite enjoy a sing-song before we were set free for the holidays.

MayaPinion · 22/01/2025 18:09

Provided other faiths get the same opportunity to do a little presentation and give the kids free merch I can’t see a problem. Luckily, if you’re not religiously inclined the Bible reads like it was written by a lunatic on crack.

FleaDog · 22/01/2025 18:09

At my dc school they visit an Angican church, a mosque, a Buddhist temple, a synagogue, a Hindu temple and a Sikh temple as prt of their studies of different faiths.

Sometimes they get representatives in from different faiths to talk to classes but they try to get them.out to the places of worship.

It's informative and nice to see the different faiths.

FleaDog · 22/01/2025 18:11

The little ones on Reception visit the train station instead - not aware of anyone being converted to a train yet though 😄

TonictheHedgehog · 22/01/2025 18:12

OP I don’t know why some people are giving you a hard time. I remember this happening when I was at school in the 80s - a Gideon Bible which I’m sure I never opened - but I had no idea it was still going on. It wouldn’t bother me if my children were given one but (until I read this thread) I would find it surprising.

Dahlietta · 22/01/2025 18:13

I am intrigued to know who was handing out the Book of Psalms!

Needmorelego · 22/01/2025 18:31

Mochudubh · 22/01/2025 18:04

Did you get a red plastic tumbler from Colgate with a little rhyme printed on it?

Keep your happy smile
Sparkling, clean and bright
Brush after breakfast
and last thing at night.

I had mine for years till the print wore off.

We also had to go to church (CofS) three times a year at the end of term. I used to quite enjoy a sing-song before we were set free for the holidays.

Edited

I don't remember getting a tumbler 🙁
We sometimes got those pink chewy tablets that showed up the plaque on your teeth to take home.

VickyEadieofThigh · 22/01/2025 19:24

porridgebath · 22/01/2025 18:00

DAILY?!!

Yes, daily.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 22/01/2025 19:33

graceinspace999 · 22/01/2025 08:04

Don’t worry it’s just about learning. I learned about the Vikings and I didn’t become one.

How disappointing for you.

I'm still holding out on the offchance I might wake up as a Stegosaurus.

pizzaHeart · 22/01/2025 19:34

NormaleKartoffeln · 22/01/2025 09:17

Not sure 'touched' was the correct word when referring to (some) religions.

Yes, thats a bad joke.

agree it wasn’t the good choice of words.
It was before my first cup of coffee 😔

sonnunny · 22/01/2025 19:45

Yep the Gideon's, we don't allow them into our school anymore

dumpydumpydumpdump · 22/01/2025 19:56

If you don't have faith how can those who do have faith talking about it be an issue? It's like your kid getting a copy of Goldilocks and the 3 bears right? Cute story but nobody actually has three different sized porridge bowls.

It's only a problem if you actually do believe and are trying to conceal faith from your son. Which nobody would do surely?

suburburban · 22/01/2025 20:26

@MumonabikeE5

Yes that's quite sad

Dgd was singing Christmas songs this year at school but no nativity

NormaleKartoffeln · 22/01/2025 20:27

dumpydumpydumpdump · 22/01/2025 19:56

If you don't have faith how can those who do have faith talking about it be an issue? It's like your kid getting a copy of Goldilocks and the 3 bears right? Cute story but nobody actually has three different sized porridge bowls.

It's only a problem if you actually do believe and are trying to conceal faith from your son. Which nobody would do surely?

Religious people often prey on the vulnerable and the young.

dumpydumpydumpdump · 22/01/2025 21:34

'Religious people often prey on the vulnerable and the young'

Do they? Often?

That seems a very sweeping statement.

Magnastorm · 22/01/2025 21:44

Fartypants83 · 22/01/2025 17:58

Every school has to provide elements of faith expression and faith education. This is a Christian country and that's the law.

Having psalms isn't forcing people to convert.

We need to understand faith, religion and our heritage more, not less. We need to understand other people's faith and viewpoints more, not less.

The uk is not a christian country any more. It's secular. There are more non-christians in this country than christians - every belief system is not a minority.

A great number of schools now ignore the idea of daily worship because they rightly recognise that publically funded schools absolutely should not be brainwashing kids into religion.

Teach them about religion, fine. Teach them to believe in God? Absolutely not. Complete waste of time at best, morally reprehensible at worst.

Masmavi · 22/01/2025 22:13

FleaDog · 22/01/2025 18:09

At my dc school they visit an Angican church, a mosque, a Buddhist temple, a synagogue, a Hindu temple and a Sikh temple as prt of their studies of different faiths.

Sometimes they get representatives in from different faiths to talk to classes but they try to get them.out to the places of worship.

It's informative and nice to see the different faiths.

Sounds perfect. If they approach it like this, I will 100% support it. Let's see.

OP posts:
NormaleKartoffeln · 23/01/2025 05:42

dumpydumpydumpdump · 22/01/2025 21:34

'Religious people often prey on the vulnerable and the young'

Do they? Often?

That seems a very sweeping statement.

It's a fairly true statement.

ChicLilacSeal · 23/01/2025 05:48

VickyEadieofThigh · 22/01/2025 00:13

OP, are you aware that it's still the law in English schools that there must be a daily act of collective worship?

Is that adhered to?

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