To be annoyed at the lack of bathrooms

[Applecharm25]

I have my period. I can feel that i need to change my tampon.

I'm out walking round my city. There are no public bathrooms anywhere near me.

I see a sign for a bathroom in a small shopping centre near me. I walk in. The bathroom is actually in a shop. I'm told that the bathroom is only available for paying customers.

So now I have to get in a long queue and wait further and buy something while I really need to change my tampon.

Surely there should be better toilet services available.

If they say it's for customers, say you're really desperate.

Have you tried not using tampons? I use cup plus period pants, never leak.

The TV thing is the dumbest analogy

Like you can't grasp that using limited space to expand facilities on a service most people won't use is a waste of that space. It's why baby changing was always put in disabled loos, because it increased the usage of the area.

No, the point is to just add more space. Build more public toilets, and if funds are limited for toilets and plumbing, that's fine, maybe 10% of the space could be just cubicles (and the rest actual toilets).

And actually using your example of baby changing in disabled toilets, how does that increase the use of the area? Sure, more people, by volume, would use those toilets. But while someone is only doing baby changing, there's going to be someone else waiting for the toilet. So actually, the better thing would be to have a separate room for baby changing, so two people could be using two spaces at once.

I hardly ever see men peeing outside...

And it's not acceptable for them to pee everywhere and they can be done for indecency...

I see you've conveniently left out the point that she asked me first, and I replied to her with the same question

So when she asks me - it's totally fine.

Yet when I ask her - it's wrong and you make a post to make me look bad

Why's that then?. Oh yeah it's because you don't like me. And you twist things to make me look bad.

You really should get help. Your posts are beyond weird

Go out in a city at night time. There are men falling out of pubs and peeing in street corners.

I've never seen a policeman stop one man doing this for indecency reasons.

But it would be mostly wasted space...

Nowadays, yes, it's considered bad form to stick baby changing in accessible toilets because we acknowledge more than just a wheelchair user requires the space and actively encourage it to be seen as "accessible for all" not "disabled". There's also less shame around being disabled so people are more open to using them

Baby changing being in there increased usage because you might have 1 disabled person every hour need the space but 8 parents come and change their baby. So it's increased usage. And it's unlikely that the 1 person is going to be at the same time as the other 8.

And even in your gross cubicles there could be a queue of women wanting to change their tampons

I've used period pants and I didn't like the feeling.
It started to feel like I was wearing a wet nappy.

I'm sure that they suit some people though.

I don't like pads either as I think they feel uncomfortable.

I prefer tampons as I dont feel them

Except you know full well most people don't change standing up. And you directly asked her how she changes it.

Your posts are beyond weird. And you're getting very aggressive with posters now

It's not direct messaging, you don't talk directly to people, it's an open forum.

I work nights and walk back through town and have never seen men falling out of bars and pissing in the street

I've also not seen many policemen about tbh

She directly asked me aswell. She asked me first actually.

Did you miss that? Do you want to go back and read?

Why is it OK when she asks. But it's weird when I ask. Your double standards don't make a drop of sense

Don't you see, the problem is lots of women are thinking in "limited space" terms, thinking that cubicles will replace toilets, when we could all just ask for more.

I think this is the general theme of women's lives. We are so used to justifying why the status quo is fine. When someone brings up how it's not fine, how we can all ask for more, we suddenly feel attacked, as if they're accusing us of doing things wrong since we've accustomed to doing things in this metaphorically limited space. There is, however, a difference between saying that "the space is too small" versus saying that "whoever is comfortable in that small space is wrong."

It's not necessarily "poo, pee or change", it could be all three. In the same way that I expect men who use the cubicle to poo also take the opportunity to pee, and don't come out and use the urinal afterwards.

Lucky you!

I've seen too many men pissing onto walls.

I was on a bus the other day. A long bus journey. The bus driver stopped for a quick break at a service station.

A man got off the bus walked across the road and pissed into the ditch. In broad daylight.

It's grim where I live. There are walls I walk on the other side of the road from because they are basically open air urinals.

Yeah there's one street near the train station near men, that just stinks of piss.

Men use it as an outside urinal

But there IS limited space!

It would be a case of "instead of 5 toilets we can have 4 and 1 cubicle for changing in". Which would lead to more queues if anything for the 4 toilets rather than being able to use 5 for whatever need you had!

Inrwallt need to know where you live where there's only one ""bathroom" and it's in a shop and men are regularly just pissing in the street in broad day light

I think you are missing the point that if we ask for more, we should ask for what we actually need and that is more private sanitary places to pee that would also work for changing san pro, not a solution that only works for changing san pro, and even that only for the minority of women who won't want to pee at the same time.

As I said, it smacks of doing something for the sake of doing something rather than addressing an actual need.

I'd be pretty annoyed if I went into a 'Tampon Changing Space' and there wasn't a toilet. I also seem to need a pee at the same time.

You're missing my point.
No one is saying to replace existing toilets by cubicles. I'm really proposing a theoretical scenario of EXPANDING current spaces. Build more toilets! And if logistically toilets are not possible, then cubicles will work too. That is all.

Maybe ask @ooopourusacuplove where she lives seeing as she has said the the same thing. She said that she won't walk down certain streets in her city , as they smell like urinals?

I would have thought its the same in most cities?

I know my cousin in another city avoids one particular street, as it smells like a urinal.

I hardly think that anyone would contest building more toilets.
The question is why are you railing so hard against building more cubicles if that helps alleviate queues and if for some reason installing toilets are not possible.
I mean obviously if we're going to petition, I'd go for building toilets not cubicles. But we're just dallying with the idea that actually, cubicles could work too. If it's easier to build, it might be passed faster or something. Like why would it actually be a bad idea? Again remember that "having more cubicles" and "having more toilets" are not mutually exclusive!

We never said to replace any existing toilet with anything else.

We said to add more services!