To believe that people who repeatedly commit violent crimes should lose their freedom permanently?

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At what point do we admit that rehabilitation doesn’t work for everyone?

My state in Australia has a serious violent offencers law that says they must service 80% of their sentence.

our problem is youth crime at the moment. Our youth justice is very lenient, they rarely do any incarceration. There are 15/16 year olds stealing cars and robbing ect and they are caught over and over with no consequences other than good behaviour or probation.

few years ago a boy stole a car and mowed down a pregnant woman and her partner killing them. He was on bail for a string of other crimes at the time and had been caught stealing cars, breaking in, assaulting people for many years and never done any jail time.

actually last week a 15 year old stabbed a supermarket worker in the back apparently unprovoked. Another group stabbed a grandmother to death in a shopping centre last year. All had long history of previous offences and let off with probation.

Not my circus, but I immediately thought of the various environmental protestors, imprisoned and losing their professional licenses.

The TV series "Parole" (or something like that) was enlightening. Some clearly dangerous men who nobody would want to bump into in a dark alley. The sort who would snap at the slightest perceived provocation and woe betide whoever is standing in front of them.

The IPP sentences were scrapped as they contravened human rights. Some people are too dangerous to be out there but it's against the law to lock them up indefinitely until they've murdered someone or worse.

The Reith lectures broadcast over Christmas make for difficult listening.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0025cmg

They should be locked up forever. It doesn't really cost that much to lock people up if they are never going to be released.

I am sure some of this could be detected and prevented if there was more research into mental health... not because of behaviour due to trauma which requires appropriate care and councelling - but biological and chemical effects - so nature rather than nurture. That's very sad for those affected as it is never their fault, but hopefully having been identified, treatable or guidable. Schizophrenia or manic/depressive or autism for instance.
The poor people killed by their schizophrenic kids, or hearing of others killed by them - it is heartbreaking, and many of them have begged for help. Why isn't more money put into investigating - hopefully helping - babies affected from birth who will grow into adults who sadly may harm others

I am not sure what rehabilitation you speak of. Prisons in the UK have no funding for rehabilitation. Locking someone in their cell for 23h a day is not rehabilitation. Countries where rehabilitation programmes are properly funded, typically, have lower rates of reoffending.

And yet, with rehabilitation and other nice education programmes in prison, questions about parity need to be asked. This is Britain, not a nice Scandinavian country, and why should prisoners who’ve committed crimes get chance after chance and retraining opportunities while women who do everything right get minimum wage for hard jobs or not much above it with a debt, still face male violence (thinking of the nurse in Oldham) and get less help in general?

In the UK "In 2022/23, the average cost of a prison place in England and Wales was 51,724 British pounds a year."

Yes but that's as it is now with all the "human rights" and "rehabilitation" stuff.

You don't have to worry about rehabilitation if someone is going to be locked up for the rest of their life. Just shove them into a cell, lock the door, and open it again once they are dead.

Pretty sure that’s illegal even without human rights stuff. I am interested to see what’s going to happen with the assisted dying legislation because that’s being stitched together very badly in terms of safeguarding. It will be a licence for doctors to euthanise unless the policymakers get a grip. Nobody is likely to be able to intervene for prisoners.