To believe that people who repeatedly commit violent crimes should lose their freedom permanently?

[PoliteCyanViewer]

At what point do we admit that rehabilitation doesn’t work for everyone?

We can't afford to keep them in prison unless they are so dangerous they present a threat to people on a daily basis.

I can only think of a few who will never, or would never have been released. Hindley, Brady, Fred & Rose West, Sidney Cook, Peter Sutcliffe, Levi Bellfield, Joanna Dennahy, Shipman, Niellsen, Steve Wright.

Which leaves the option of the death penalty, which is no option at all.

I don't think sex offenders and paedophiles will ever not be a danger to the public either, if they're released. I say if - when, mostly.

That means we are punishing people for not being able to read. Better to fund education, SEN education and early intervention.

Re political disstents, you could argue that Insulate Britain come under that description. They went to prison and then the Ukraine invasion happened, fuel prices rocketed and politicians suddenly said that we need to Insulate Britain. Some would call just stop oil, political disstents. The protests outside the knowsley suites were because of Merseyside police policy to ignore the sexual harrasment of children coming out of school. There were people imprisoned. They do come under the definition.

Thought you'd have something better than that.

Problem is, a growing number of people are starting to see things that way

If you do a violent crime once eg rape, murder, serious assault - that’s it for me. Your freedoms are gone.

I mean it's better than the community being unsafe by releasing them.

Same with their maintenance system did you know if a paying parent gets a low paid job after quitting a high paying job they can refuse to lower the child maintenance in some states?

It's very black and white but some things? They might have a point

Better funding won't help the adults who can't read now. If you have mandatory minimum sentencing and make literacy an incentive for earlier release we might make some progress.

Some people are scummy and they don't change.
They got into prison, serve a sentence, after release, they get recalled to.prison again.
Baby P mum, John Venables another.
Latest one is jimmy Mizen killer. The story has broken today.
Jake Fahri released after 15 years for murder.
He's been rapping about the murder he committed and broken his conditions. He's been recalled to prison today.
He was a scum from about 13 and still is today.
Stop giving people pathetic sentences, keep them locked up.

I dint know exactly how it works but in the Netherlands serious offenders get either intensive rehabilitation in the community if they agree and are deemed suitable or detention in a Physciatric Hospital with their detention reviewed by a judge every two years

@PoliteCyanViewer can you be clearer on what exactly you are proposing?

Repeatedly - does that mean more than once? More than 5 times? Is there an exact number?

Violent Crime - what is your definition? A punch up outside a pub? Dangerous driving? Assault and battery? Gbh?

Locked up permanently- you mean whole life terms? Very very few offenders get those - only the absolute worse murderers - are you suggesting it for anyone who commits a violent crime more than once?

Jails in this country are full - we jail more per capita than any other country in western Europe. Do you think it is sensible to expand our jail population exponentially? Where are these new prisons going to be built? Who is going to pay for them?

Prison sentences should be cumulative.

If you reoffend you do the new sentence plus repeat the previous sentence.

Keep that going.

The court do have the option of imposing an extended sentence or a life sentence if an offender is considered ‘dangerous’. There are a lot of criteria to satisfy but it is an option.

But that still mean that those not capable of reaching the literacy targets, would be punished for it, by being kept in prison.

The difficulty with that is that as soon as they started convicting even 10% of rapists, they'd need to build a fuck load more prisons.

@NordicwithTeen

Apparently people are going to go into school to talk about respect and kindness possibly from age 3 because this prevents crime in the long term.

I dint know exactly how it works but in the Netherlands serious offenders get either intensive rehabilitation in the community if they agree and are deemed suitable or detention in a Physciatric Hospital with their detention reviewed by a judge every two years

They do have prisons in The Netherlands, you know! It can be conjoined with psychiatric treatment if deemed necessary. They also have full life sentences also.

I am chuckling at your "if they agree", as if they get the say-so.

Having met a lot of women who have been brutally abused by men I really think some do just need locking up forever. The same names come up in refuges and services of abusers in areas as they are horrific to multiple women. you really can’t rehabilitate some criminals.

They dont always agree AFAIK

That’s interesting and has the ring of truth.

I myself favour sending coercively controlling men who murder their partners to tiny cold islands, unreachable except by boat or plane, and leaving them there to grow their own food but I doubt if we have enough tiny unreachable islands.

It’s a genuine problem.

This.
there are some people that really need these, as they are a constantly threat .

Rehabilitación does work if it's done well. Some offe dear feel hopeless and have no way out. Thus is what needs addressing. Loving that starmer had appointed timson the expert to oversee this. If he can't sort it. Noone can

I agree OP but it's partly a matter of cost and partly too many bleeding heart liberal types who would never let this happen. Our justice system is a joke. Every day we hear 'xx had been sentenced to life, with a minimum term of 10 years' etc. Thus the word 'life' is completely nonsensical. People are being jailed for tweets while rapists and violent criminals are being freed early by Labour.

We had this, it was called IPP.

But civil rights campaigners successfully got it removed because they said it is unfair that you could serve 20 years for raping a child, just because you happened to have been given an IPP sentence the last time you did it. They're now campaigning to remove the existing sentences and release them all.