To believe that people who repeatedly commit violent crimes should lose their freedom permanently?

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At what point do we admit that rehabilitation doesn’t work for everyone?

I think they should do a better job of working out if someone is actually safe enough to be released

The justice system is far too lenient with people who commit violent crimes. No I would not want someone who was picked up for graffiti to be treated in the same way that someone who stabbed another person. However there are too many examples of people who should be behind bars e.g. manslaughter/murder -Ricky Preddie

Build more prisons and longer mandatory sentences for violent crime. I am fed up of light touch sentences eg 14 years for manslaughter then being released after 6-8 years. You kill someone you go away for 40 years with possible release after 30 years.

Graffiti affects people's mental health. Jail the bastards

Which so called political dissidents have been jailed? Are you describing people who have incited riots, been found in contempt of court, made credible threats of violence as dissidents?

You're the one changing the meaning of words

In answer to the op's question, we need to look long jail sentences for those who are violent, but also need to look at trying to stop people becoming violent criminals in the first place.

At least the rapping murderer is back behind bars.

I think that prisons should never ever be for punishment. Their sole purpose should be to protect the public. So if you are convicted of a crime that means you are a threat, you go to jail until you are no longer a threat. No fixed term. Just until you are rehabilitated, whether that's one month or never.

Criminals whose behaviour does not present a threat serve their sentence in other ways. Community service, being forced to move county/area, limitations on type of employment, limitations on relationships, whatever is appropriate. The cost of this would easily be met as we wouldn't be paying £1000 per week to have them in jail. With a salary of £52k per prisoner you could pay for community service supervision AND community rehabilitation.

I fundamentally don't believe that as humans we have the right to judge and punish other humans. But we do have the right to keep our communities safe. By happy coincidence this system would also be better for the majority of criminals and lead to lower reoffending.

Why do I suspect you're all in favour of civil unrest when it for a cause you approve of? Starmer certainly was, 'a cry for justice from the oppressed', or something to that effect.

While I'm here, how do we prevent violent crime if you think it's something we should be doing.?

They were imprisoned for being violent thugs, not for being political dissidents.
Assuming you're talking about the rioters.
No one in this country gets jailed for being a political dissident.

Most violent criminals have a history of abusive and traumatic childhoods. A high proportion have been in care. That is what we should be looking at to prevent crimes. Prevention of crime needs to start before a child is born. Stringent punishments do not affect crime rates, especially when the police, criminal justice system and prison and probation service are all malfunctioning as they are in the UK at present.

Countries with the longest jail sentences have the highest rates of crime. Countries with good social services, healthcare, education and equality, have low crime rates. It's not rocket science

They have tried in past - and they scrapped them - but people are still under them even now.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/ipp-prison-living-nightmare-lords-debate-b2501376.html

They include tragic cases highlighted by The Independent such as those of Wayne Bell, who has served more than 16 years for stealing a bike; Thomas White, who is still in prison 11 years after he stole a mobile phone; and Shaun Lloyd, who fears he could be hauled back to jail for the fourth time for stealing a phone almost 20 years ago.

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IPP sentences were scrapped in 2012, but not retrospectively, leaving almost 3,000 inmates trapped in prison with no release date – with more than 700 of them having served 10 years longer than their minimum tariff.
More than 80 IPP prisoners are known to have taken their own lives – including the seven whose self-inflicted deaths were revealed by The Independent last year.
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Under the controversial sentences, which were introduced by New Labour in 2005 but scrapped seven years later, people were handed a minimum jail term without a specified maximum term.
After completing their minimum tariff, IPP inmates must apply to the Parole Board and meet stringent criteria in order to be released – including not suffering from mental health problems – to prove that they are no longer a risk to the public.

It seems some young men who did petty crime have now in some cases spent longer in prison than murders and rapists. Plus recent early releases as prisons full didn't look at these people.

I like idea dangerous men off streets for as long as possible but perhaps it harder to judge or perhaps we actually need to get serious about rehabilitation generally.

Agree with this. Most women in jail are victims of sexual abuse and the only person they are a danger to is themselves.
I do think there needs to be a fixed term though as having an indefinite sentence is really bad for prisoners mental health and is demotivating.

Which political dissidents have been jailed? Why are you avoiding the question?

I'm not in favour of any violent disorder. It's a strange accusation to make. Are you just deflecting from your bullshit?

As to how to prevent violent crime, that's a massive question.

More police, and more resources for the police, long sentences for violence, interventions for young people who might be heading towards a criminal career, more use of unexplained wealth orders to take the money away from criminals, drink and drug rehab in jails.

Essentially more resources into crime prevention.

Back to your initial point, which political dissidents have been jailed?

There's a programme on iPlayer about it called Parole. It must be difficult to tell as to some extent these prisoners learn what to say after they've been through the system a few times. And a lot of them are damaged due to their past and although they may mean well, they just can't manage their own behaviour if provoked. They are often released into less than ideal situations such as bail hostels full of other criminals or back home into the environment that they came from and where it must be easy to fall back into old patterns of behaviour. They have no real prospects in most cases. It's depressing.

It's like the three-strikes rule in the US which was shown to CAUSE more violent crime. If you have committed two assaults and know that if you get caught for this one you'll be spending 30 years in jail, you're better off trying to kill your victim. You'll either succeed, and you've just removed a witness to your crime, or you fail, but you get a long sentence anyway. There's an incentive to become more violent.

You're saying you want to incarcerate people preventatively?

I think you need to think that through to its logical conclusion.

The highest rate of offending occurs among people who receive sentences of 12 months or less. I wonder if a mandatory 12 month, custodial sentence for all first offences might be more effective. That's 12 months actually served in prison.

Vanessa Frake (former prison governor) says that it's impossible to do anything useful regarding rehabilitation when offenders are serving short sentences.

I could also get behind a proposal that you can't be released until you achieve a minimum reading age. About 60% of prisoners cannot read to the standard of an 11 year old.

One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist and all that...

Just to be clear, I also abhor violence and I Include threats in that.

Which ones? Come on, you made the claim. Back it up

I think they DO take previous offences into account when sentencing don't they?? One of the problems with life means life is that caring for very elderly prisoners is very expensive.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/aug/09/two-men-jailed-for-social-media-posts-that-stirred-up-far-right-violence

For social media posts. I absolutely don't condone for a second any incitement to violence but many feminists have seen ENDLESS social media posts calling for them to be killed, raped, set on fire, their children's school doxxed etc etc. How many trans rights activists have been jailed? You can hold a placard demanding terfs be decapitated and nobody bats an eyelid.

Political dissidents😁

It should really only be reserved for murder. It's a very cruel thing. I don't believe there's enough interest in aversion therapy. Probably because that is seen as cruel but it could be effective. It could amount to torture though

Great idea.

Who'd want to be the person who has a crystal ball who can predict whether a person offence is their last or if they have a few more left in them?

They are your political dissidents? I stand by my initial statement that you don't understand the words you used.