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Neurodivergent husband has brought me to my knees, am I unreasonable to leave him ?

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MyNextSteps · 15/01/2025 23:34

This is my first Mumsnet post so I'm sorry but this will be a long rant. But I have really lost my way and would appreciate everyone's thoughts.

My husband and I are in our late 50s and have been married for 25 years and have 5 kids who are late teens/20s.

The marriage has always had something "not quite right", something missing which I couldn't explain. DH didn't have many girlfriends I thought he was just shy. Once married I always felt he was avoidant, pulling away, preoccupied, unavailable, never initiated sex. If I ever tried to raise it, even gently, he was irritable and defensive, saying my "constant criticism and oversensitivity" was the problem and then he'd try to run away or hang up the phone or get busy or fall asleep or get one of the kids to interrupt us to shut me down. He is also very interested in facts not feelings and tends to disconnect from conversations once he's satisfied himself of the facts.

Eventually I dragged DH to therapy wondering if he was a covert narcissist but this year he's been diagnosed with High Functioning Autism Level 1 (Aspergers) which explains everything. I feel I'm in a nightmare as our story started out as a fairytale with our beautiful kids but now I'm acceptingw nothing will change with DH.

We both had good careers but I stayed at home to raise the kids. He worked hard to provide for us all but had a long commute. We moved out to the coast and bought a rambling old house with land, did it up and we have a small holding with animals. DH seemed to avoid intimacy but I didn't question it as he was tired and working so hard and so was I. He never took me out in the evening or hired a babysitter or took me away for a few nights. We only ever went away with the kids but I was so in the tunnel of parenthood and we didn't have much money to spare so I didn't really stop to question it.

Gradually the kids grew up and then DH stopped work and I thought we would spend more time together but I gradually realized he wasn't interested. Once he stopped work and was around 24/7 and the kids were grown up, it dawned on me that he was just making excuses to avoid time with me and avoid intimacy.

We did years of marriage therapy but he could neither express his feelings at all (alexithymia) or understand mine. He just cannot hear me - all he can hear is that he's being criticized and then he becomes a professional victim. I have given him a million chances to sort himself out, so many times we have fought and he always comes back, says sorry but nothing changes. Our therapist said he wouldn't change and to leave him as he wasn't able or interested in meeting my needs.

Some of the worst family fights have been when I have been angry with DH and then he goes to the kids and portrays himself as a victim and me as the perpetrator. Then the kids (who are angry he's so weak) stand up for him. So I'm then fighting my own kids and he sits there with his head in his hands not speaking while it all kicks off between me and the kids.

So there have been times when the kids have seen me as the aggressive bad cop whilst he is good cop being their friend as he does everything for them, drives them around, gives them money and never sets rules or boundaries. Mum "wears the trousers" and keeps it all fair and accountable. Although the kids hate on me for being bad cop I notice when life gets tricky they all come running to me for guidance because I'm actually the only real parent.

Every time the whole family gets together which is now only about twice a year I work hard to cook food and make it nice but either my husband or one of the ND kids has a meltdown or shutdown which ruins the occasion and the family doesn't speak for months, I am beginning to dread get togethers.

Now his daily routine is to get up feeling anxious and then just drift around for the rest of the day, no plan, no goals, achieving not much, never gets together with friends, sometimes hangs with his family (many of them have the same issues as him) low functioning, wears same clothes for days. If I ask him to do something he'll do it eventually but then says I'm bossy and that he feels "controlled" and then makes sure the kids know it.

Some of our kids have various neurodiverse traits/issues and DH and I clashed seriously about how to raise them because as a ND himself his first instinct was to deny their problems and help them to mask whereas I as an NT wanted to get them diagnosed and get them help. DH also insisted that we don't mention anyone's diagnosis in the family (shame) so when several of the kids have huge meltdowns we are not allowed to address it with the other kids and I can see that they feel guilty and responsible when it's not their fault.

Things have come to a head in the last few months. DH was being assessed for suspected cancer. He wasn't able to process many feelings about that beyond being sure he didn't want the kids to know. I did all the worrying and supporting whilst he looked blank and numb all through Christmas. Finally this week he got the "all clear", he did express some relief but I was hugely emotional after the hospital.

The same night one of our kids rang up and shouted at me because she'd given a message to DH for me to do something but he hadn't passed it on to me so I hadn't done what she needed me to do. I was still emotional from the hospital so after she'd put the phone down I was angry with DH that he hadn't passed on the message. He denied this so we started to argue. DH then portrayed himself a a victim in front of one of our sons who got aggressive with me and goaded and shoved me (he's 6 ft) and started being verbally abusive and telling me I was crazy (he didn't know about the hospital or cancer scare at all so didn't know why I was so emotional). I said to DH "tell him to stop" but DH said "why should he stop abusing you when you abuse me ?" (professional victim).

In that moment after 25 years something snapped in me. I did something I've never done before. I calmly put together a small bag of clothes and walked out. I drove off and checked into a local B&B where I am sitting now with no idea about my next move.

DH has brought me to my knees. It's not what he does, it's what he DOESN'T do, he's just absent from our marriage. He doesn't want me to leave but he doesn't want to have a relationship with me either. He just wants a housekeeper/secretary/organizer/mother not a wife. I want to leave him but then I break up the family, we lose our lovely home and I get blamed for that by him and the kids, I lose my smallholding and animals and will have to give up my dream part time job that I have taken up in the last few years too, so essentially I lose my entire life as it is currently.

I rang DH from the B&B to discuss the issues. He said "all you do is criticize me, I'm a victim" and hung up. He didn't want to discuss the issues because he can't summarize or express his feelings. He says he can't change and I am persecuting him to do things he can't do. He then said by the way if I was moving out then he'd sell our home and small holding because he wasn't interested in it anyway he only bought it for me (first I heard about that, he was the one that insisted we buy it when I wanted to stay in the city !). I went back briefly to our home to collect clothes etc and he was just lying flat on the sofa staring into space, washing left in the machine overnight, last night's dinner still on the table untouched, curtains not drawn, animals not fed, plants not watered, post not opened etc.

AIBU to leave and break up the family and sell our family home and smallholding and rehome the animals ? Or am I overreacting and should I accept he can't change, stop asking him to and just suck it up for the sake of the family ? DH is not a bad person, we have a lot in common with our joint kids, life and animals. He worked hard to support us all, he's never been unfaithful or had addictions or been abusive (contrast I've been a drunk and screaming harridan more than once when pushed beyond human limits by rigid and goading ND family members). I am also nearly 60 and have let myself go with all the stress. Dating now fills me with horror, what are my chances anyway and my friends are having horror stories on Bumble.... I would also have to go back to full time work at 60 to support myself and the children would be hostile to a new partner as they feel responsible for their victim dad. But he is not my husband or lover and he's more friends with the kids than a father to them. He is a professional victim and he has no capacity for a marriage or partnership with me. I would be happy to live alone but I keep having the sad thought that I don't want to get to the end of my life without having experienced a true and loving partnership.

If I could find a way to stay with DH I would but I have tried to compromise a million times. I don't want to have an affair either but it seems that if I stay I would have to completely deny my own needs for love, support, intimacy, boundaries, joint parenting, joy etc and life is too short for that. Advice please.

OP posts:
CavalierApproach · 16/01/2025 09:09

AnxiousRose · 16/01/2025 09:08

He has not been violent.

He has encouraged a man (their six foot son) to shove OP. That’s what the pp is referring to.

Mindedmy · 16/01/2025 09:09

Op we have a smattering of ND in close and extended family. Your husbands behaviours (re being victim, unemotionally unavailable, lack of insight, emotional intelligence) are familiar.
You are right that he cannot change his core being (unless he masks continuously which will end in breakdown for him). Same for your ND kids.
In my case for wider family situations, I am continuously learning and trying to make family situations work by avoiding triggers (big get togethers a with sit down meals do not work 😞 ). I spend time with ND family members on a more 1-2-1 and adapt e.g short visit or to a place that I know they will be less likely dysregulated.
As for your DH situation, can you go back while you slowly get your ducks in a row to leave? May be easier to cope if you know it is just for the short term?
It is very painful, when my ND family members say or do horrible or inappropriate things (often) it is a sucker punch to the stomach everytime. No matter how much I try to put the shield up in advance.

HereBeWormholes · 16/01/2025 09:11

CavalierApproach · 16/01/2025 09:08

This will be very difficult for your autistic husband because change is usually increadibly hard for someone with autism. He will most likely need some kind of support to get him through it, not from you, but if you could ensure that he has someone to check in with every day.

It is absolutely not OP’s responsibility to line up ‘aftercare’ for her abusive husband when leaving him. Even if he’s autistic.

Suggesting that is just putting additional hurdles in the way of her getting disentangled from a situation that’s already hugely challenging.

Absolutely, I cannot agree more strongly with this.

This guy wants to be a victim, let him really see what it's like when he's not being enabled through life by someone he is happy to see abused... 😡

AnxiousRose · 16/01/2025 09:11

CavalierApproach · 16/01/2025 09:08

This will be very difficult for your autistic husband because change is usually increadibly hard for someone with autism. He will most likely need some kind of support to get him through it, not from you, but if you could ensure that he has someone to check in with every day.

It is absolutely not OP’s responsibility to line up ‘aftercare’ for her abusive husband when leaving him. Even if he’s autistic.

Suggesting that is just putting additional hurdles in the way of her getting disentangled from a situation that’s already hugely challenging.

He is not abusive.
It would be the kind thing to do but she obviously doesn't HAVE to.
The lack of understanding shown towards people with autism on this thread is disgraceful.

IP7689 · 16/01/2025 09:13

Leave the fucker. Have your own life while you still can. Priorise yourself!

devilspawn · 16/01/2025 09:14

AnxiousRose · 16/01/2025 09:11

He is not abusive.
It would be the kind thing to do but she obviously doesn't HAVE to.
The lack of understanding shown towards people with autism on this thread is disgraceful.

It is abusive to talk to people like that, being autistic doesn't give you a free pass. I know plenty of autistic people who would never dream of being horrible to someone like that.

Wildwalksinjanuary · 16/01/2025 09:14

C152 · 16/01/2025 08:26

So much of what you said resonated with me, OP. I couldn't put my finger on what was wrong in my relationship either, but could almost recite your list word-for-word. (Except my ex couldn't hold down an employed job and used the silent treatment to punish me/disengage.) It's really hard to leave but, ultimately, I think it's better than the alternative. Life is hard enough without this type of extra burden. At least you'll be free of the manipulation once you're living on your own.

Whether to say anything to your children about your DH's diagnosis and health scare or not is tricky. On the one hand, I think people have a right to keep their medical information private but, on the other, knowing your DH is autistic may help them seek their own diagnosis/support.

The covert narcissism is a bigger issue than the autism depending on the severity, the narcissism is impossible to overcome/deploy strategies/work around.
I do think those with NPD deserve empathy and understanding, they haven’t chosen to live with this disorder, and it impacts their ability to be in a relationship but op should choose something different for herself now.

CavalierApproach · 16/01/2025 09:15

AnxiousRose · 16/01/2025 09:11

He is not abusive.
It would be the kind thing to do but she obviously doesn't HAVE to.
The lack of understanding shown towards people with autism on this thread is disgraceful.

Yes, he is abusive. And I could say the same about your lack of understanding of abuse in its different forms. It’s disgraceful that you’re minimising his behaviour.

Marriumph · 16/01/2025 09:15

Eventually I dragged DH to therapy wondering if he was a covert narcissist but this year he's been diagnosed with High Functioning Autism Level 1 (Aspergers) which explains everything.

I'm really curious about this @MyNextSteps OP. Was it from the therapy that the assessment began? I'm just wondering how he went through the Autism diagnostic assessment and what led to him starting the assessment? Did he believe he was autistic himself or did the therapist encourage him to get assessed? I'm also surprised for someone who went through assessment and was diagnosed, he didn't/doesn't want his children to get an assessment and possible diagnosis too. I'd appreciate if you could answer but of course you don't have to.

whatapalarva · 16/01/2025 09:18

This is the first day of the rest of your life. Don't complain, don't explain, just get on with what you know you have to do. You have had the strength to leave so you will get the strength to move on with the next chapter of your life. Don't think about another man in your life (yet) you need to get back to the person you are, not mother, wife, counsellor, punchbag (terrible your son shoved you btw, thats a whole separate issue) just keep your eye on the prize now, it will be worth it, you are still a young woman. Good luck x

AlertCat · 16/01/2025 09:19

AnxiousRose · 16/01/2025 09:11

He is not abusive.
It would be the kind thing to do but she obviously doesn't HAVE to.
The lack of understanding shown towards people with autism on this thread is disgraceful.

It is abusive to tell a woman that she deserves her son shoving her and shouting abusive remarks at her, and to do nothing to prevent it, in fact to condone it. That’s inexcusable.

lateatwork · 16/01/2025 09:19

Sounds like there is a you, a him but not an 'us' that works for you. That sucks. But maybe it's a recognition that you have tried, it doesn't work, so move on...

Wildwalksinjanuary · 16/01/2025 09:19

AnxiousRose · 16/01/2025 09:11

He is not abusive.
It would be the kind thing to do but she obviously doesn't HAVE to.
The lack of understanding shown towards people with autism on this thread is disgraceful.

It is a shame you seem to conflating neurodivergence with abuse. It is doing a huge disservice to those with ND to suggest that they have no control over themselves and can not help but be abusive. Of course there are millions that operate in all kinds of relationships respectfully and successfully. The combination of ND and NPD is extremely difficult, and will be impossible for most people to overcome. Emotional manipulation is not a trait of autism.

fashionqueen0123 · 16/01/2025 09:20

MyNextSteps · 16/01/2025 00:44

Thank you everyone who has posted. I am literally sitting here in tears that so many people have cared to respond and support me. Thank you. I now am wondering whether it's unreasonable that DH is refusing to tell the DCs about his diagnoses and other truths ? He seems to love it when I'm screaming and triggered by his behavior but the children never see the flip side of WHY I'm like that sometimes....they don't know the reality which is:

  • he has just come out of a cancer scare
  • he has an autism diagnosis
  • he is a professional victim and manipulator
  • he doesn't pull his weight as the other parent
  • he has avoided emotional and sexual intimacy for over 15 years
  • he is skilled at avoiding and projecting shame, blame, guilt, responsibility

Tell them. He’s not your boss. Tell them what you like. He is emotionally abusing you.

An adult or older child getting physical is extremely worrying for their future. Your husband should have shut that down asap. I’d sell the house and use the money to start afresh.

mollymile · 16/01/2025 09:20

OP, you are not breaking up anything. The marriage and the relationships are broken already. Repair your part of this. Don't try and mend them.
Get the money under your control even if it means a new account. Please do this as a matter of urgency.
Remove your clothes and belongings, they will start clearing the house soon. Any sentimental items like photographs will be seen as fair game to take or destroy. (there was a post on a break-up thread where this happened in about 24 hours.
Look after yourself as priority.

Mirabai · 16/01/2025 09:21

Marriumph · 16/01/2025 09:15

Eventually I dragged DH to therapy wondering if he was a covert narcissist but this year he's been diagnosed with High Functioning Autism Level 1 (Aspergers) which explains everything.

I'm really curious about this @MyNextSteps OP. Was it from the therapy that the assessment began? I'm just wondering how he went through the Autism diagnostic assessment and what led to him starting the assessment? Did he believe he was autistic himself or did the therapist encourage him to get assessed? I'm also surprised for someone who went through assessment and was diagnosed, he didn't/doesn't want his children to get an assessment and possible diagnosis too. I'd appreciate if you could answer but of course you don't have to.

I’m also confused by the diagnosis itself as HF Autism Level 1 Asperger’s is not a current diagnosis.

Weepixie · 16/01/2025 09:23

I’m 66 and left my then 34 year old marriage 12 years ago because I realised I’d lived more of my life than I had left and I deserved peace of mind and heart. My husband never had an official diagnosis of autism but I’m sure he is and it just got to the stage I couldn’t live it anymore. He’s highly successful in life and that clouded my vision quite a bit but once I had seperated from him my vision cleared and so much more became obvious.

12 years later we are still married and we will never divorce but we don’t live together/see each other/ or have much contact from one year to the next.

I still love my husband and I’m sure the feeling is mutual but after decades of life together it just became too much.

Weepixie · 16/01/2025 09:25

I’m also confused by the diagnosis itself as HF Autism Level 1 Asperger’s is not a current diagnosis

perhaps it depends on where you live - not every country in the world feels the need to keep up with terminology everytime it’s changed.

NeedthatFridayfeeling · 16/01/2025 09:26

Life's too short OP, file for divorce, go low contact with them all for a little while while you get your thoughts etc together.
You might find somewhere where you can keep your animals, fingers crossed, but ultimately that shouldn't be the thing that stops you moving to a happier future. All the best OP.

ArchieStar · 16/01/2025 09:27

OP, as someone from a fully neurodiverse family, YANBU. Neurodivergence is no excuse for being a twat. Divorce and let the kids deal with him, they’ll soon see and understand why you’ve been the way you’ve been

WoolySnail · 16/01/2025 09:29

If you're going to get the blame no matter what, you may as well leave as you're going to get the fall out no matter what.
My DH and one of my dc are diagnosed the same as your husband and let me tell you now they wouldn't behave in the ways you've described, so this isn't all about autism and him being unable to help it.
Save yourself op x

AnxiousRose · 16/01/2025 09:29

CavalierApproach · 16/01/2025 09:15

Yes, he is abusive. And I could say the same about your lack of understanding of abuse in its different forms. It’s disgraceful that you’re minimising his behaviour.

I think they are both at fault here as I said.
I think the OP is being abusive here. She has been told by the psychologist/counsellor that her husband cannot change. His behaviour is due to his autism. She admitted her husband has told her this many times. Yet she continually argues with him and belittles him for something he cannot change.
Her children have noticed this and are angry with her about it.
I think because autism is am invisible disability people think that those with autism should just get over it and change.
Imagine if the OPs husband was physically disabled and could not walk but the OP shouted at him every day for not walking.

Marriumph · 16/01/2025 09:30

SallymetLarry · 16/01/2025 08:55

Do you think he's gay?

His lack of interest in sex, other than to create your children is concerning.

Could all this anger be because he can't 'come out'?

I'd be questioning his sexuality because you felt something wasn't right from the start with your marriage.

Maybe he felt the need to marry to please other people and show he was straight.

There are many men who are married with kids who only reveal their sexual preferences much later in life.

Edited

His lack of interest in sex, other than to create your children is concerning.

He could be Asexual or have low libido or just doesn't really care for sex or doesn't find OP sexually attractive (enough to initiate). It doesn't have to be gay.

User664334 · 16/01/2025 09:32

Lack of intimacy is not typical of ASD. DH is also on the spectrum and out marriage is virtually identical to what you describe except he does very much initiate and enjoy intimacy. However a significantly higher percentage of ND people tend to have fluid gender identities (gay, trans, asexual) so I agree with a PP who suggested that might be an issue here. Unfortunately even if it is, it's not going to significantly change the situation.

Aside from the intimacy issue, DH behaves and reacts exactly the same as your husband. It's absolutely down to what he doesn't do, and not what he does. In all 6 years of having a child, he hasn't gotten up once in the night (except once). Neither taken any time off work or cut a day shorter if one or both of us were ill. I've had days where I physically could not move due to pain yet still did the school runs and took care of DD because he refused to miss any work. I've done every single night waking since birth including all the newborn ones which almost drove me to insanity. He could see me having a mental breakdown but he just didn't care or it literally didn't affect him on an emphathetic level.

I've often thought of separation as well but realised it won't make any difference to how he perceives it anyway. He has no realisation that what he's doing as a the result of his autism is wrong and just like your husband, genuinely believes he is a professional victim. He hates being criticised and every time I try to bring up a genuine point it gets DARVO'd into something else. His tactic is to do everything just once so he can use that as a counter argument. So going by the previous example, in all 6 years he did get up one single night to change the sheets when DD wet the bed during potty training years. If I try to use the "not getting up at night" as an argument, he immediately shoots me down with that one single example. Same for any housework. He makes sure he empties the dishwasher or cooks a meal once in 3-6 months. So if I get frazzled from doing 3 meals a day alone and start to complain, he brings up the one single meal he cooked 4 months ago to shut me up.

In the end it's just exhausting because you're trying to get a point across in hopes someone will change but they never will. However I do believe on some level they are not maliciously trying to harm you, it's just how their brains are wired.

LuckySantangelo35 · 16/01/2025 09:33

AnxiousRose · 16/01/2025 09:08

He has not been violent.

@AnxiousRose

he allowed and encouraged his son to be violent to OP - shoving her

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