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To be completely shocked by this - Bridget can’t tell us the impact of the government’s VAT on Education?

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Sasskitty · 15/01/2025 17:05

Bridget Phillipson dodges question on impact of private school tax raid

As parents and schools complain of chaos, Ms Phillipson refuses to spell out details of the assessment made by the department for education

Bridget Phillipson failed to spell out the full impact of the government’s private school VAT raid, dodging the question when asked about the possible implications for special education schools.

While she said the government has “looked at all of the potential impacts”, her answer failed to provide any real detail on the expected consequences.

It comes as parents and schools complain about the implications of the tax raid, which came into force on New Year’s Day and is expected to raise £1.5bn for the Treasury.

YABU - Bridget Phillipson has it all in hand. She just didn’t feel like answering the pesky question. The point is to piss rich people off. Leave Labour alone, they want nothing but erm oh I’m not sure.

YANBU - Phillipson clearly has no idea what the impact of VAT on Education will be. Nor does she really care as long as she’s seen to be punishing those horrible rich people. Or even better (it seems) the not really rich ones just trying to improve the education of their children as the available state schools were not suitable.

https://apple.news/AO7fcmrzuRaik4stLaPQxwA

(sorry paywall but there’s not much more in the article)

PS. I’ve removed the poll tally, no one needs to see real data. Do they?

Bridget Phillipson dodges question on impact of private school tax raid — The Independent

As parents and schools complain of chaos, Ms Phillipson refuses to spell out details of the assessment made by the department for education

https://apple.news/AO7fcmrzuRaik4stLaPQxwA

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Lonelycrab · 15/01/2025 20:06

EasternStandard · 15/01/2025 20:04

Yes you’re right everyone is as happy with them as you are

Thanks. I’m normally right🙂

Letlooseonthedanse · 15/01/2025 20:07

TankFlyBossW4lk · 15/01/2025 20:00

Tbh, if you can't afford 20% extra on your school fees, you can't afford private school. Hth

One major issue ( for private parents) is that private schools have been merrily increasing their fees for years by 6/7/8+ % THEY have priced parents out while claiming to be charities and having tax breaks, avoiding full business tax… it all had to come to a head.

HUBRIS has done this.And you’ll find many MANY commentators in the conservative leaning press saying this too.
If schools had ACTUALLY behaved like charities rather than the elitist institutions most are - ordinary people would be a lot more sympathetic towards them.

Hoppingabout · 15/01/2025 20:08

AgathaPanthus · 15/01/2025 20:04

I doubt anyone voted on the grounds of this specific policy. It was only a very marginal one in the manifesto. There were much bigger issues to vote upon.It is a very niche policy.

That's a slight revision of history. It was a flagship policy and red meat to keen Labour voters. Having said that given the turnout and the small percentage share of the electorate that actually voted Labour it didn't lure many more voters over clearly.

EasternStandard · 15/01/2025 20:08

Lonelycrab · 15/01/2025 20:06

Thanks. I’m normally right🙂

Made me laugh 😆

Although tanking so soon after a GE does give years it’s not actually a good reflection on their ability

Hoppingabout · 15/01/2025 20:09

Letlooseonthedanse · 15/01/2025 20:07

One major issue ( for private parents) is that private schools have been merrily increasing their fees for years by 6/7/8+ % THEY have priced parents out while claiming to be charities and having tax breaks, avoiding full business tax… it all had to come to a head.

HUBRIS has done this.And you’ll find many MANY commentators in the conservative leaning press saying this too.
If schools had ACTUALLY behaved like charities rather than the elitist institutions most are - ordinary people would be a lot more sympathetic towards them.

This is actually a good point. Although TBF some of the rises were due to the change in the pension regulations for teachers.

Although it doesn't mean that government needed to intervene and give parents a good kicking too!

Letlooseonthedanse · 15/01/2025 20:10

‘Luckily it seems you are not a parent to a child who doesn't fit conformity’

I’ll have you know that my children are just as clever. Speshal and talented as any private school child they don’t conform, they’re too interesting for that…

Araminta1003 · 15/01/2025 20:12

Most people are missing the point entirely on this. Successful rich people only come to this country and then pay tax, if they can put their kids in successful private schools, which are known all over the world, that is the British private schools. If that goes downhill (it may or may not), the impact of reduced tax take from those individuals now and in the future is huge. Given there aren’t many net taxpayers and given this is one of the only reason some people still stay (including excellent universities), it is just another self harm move. Who cares if some people want private schools, it never has and never will impact the majority of the population. What will impact them though is a reduced tax take and Government scaring rich successful people off. And like it or not, many are international now.

TankFlyBossW4lk · 15/01/2025 20:12

Hoppingabout · 15/01/2025 20:06

Says who? How do you know how much or how little people can afford? 20% on top of fees per child is a huge increase. Particularly now we are all being shafted due to Rachel Reed's horrendous budget. Unless you are a public sector worker...perhaps a wealthy train driver. Then the 20% won't make a difference, you are right.

Yes of course. I'm sure there are lots and lots of public sector workers and train drivers kids at your school. Bet there aren't.

AgathaPanthus · 15/01/2025 20:13

Hoppingabout · 15/01/2025 20:08

That's a slight revision of history. It was a flagship policy and red meat to keen Labour voters. Having said that given the turnout and the small percentage share of the electorate that actually voted Labour it didn't lure many more voters over clearly.

The state of the NHS and the cost of living crisis were much higher on most people's agenda.

Araminta1003 · 15/01/2025 20:14

And ALL the kids with SEND should not have to pay it, that should have been a given.

Lonelycrab · 15/01/2025 20:14

EasternStandard · 15/01/2025 20:08

Made me laugh 😆

Although tanking so soon after a GE does give years it’s not actually a good reflection on their ability

Well Eastern, it’s going to be a long few years until the next GE so best get used to being unhappy? Me personally I’ll wait until these policies actually have an effect and then I’ll judge at that point. We’ve had the most woeful and damaging government possibly imaginable (I presume cheered on by you) and it’s lead us to this economic cul de sac, changes need to be made.

And taxing those that avoid or are magically exempt from tax are a huge part in those changes that need making.

AgathaPanthus · 15/01/2025 20:14

AgathaPanthus · 15/01/2025 20:13

The state of the NHS and the cost of living crisis were much higher on most people's agenda.

And just getting rid of the Tories of course.

Letlooseonthedanse · 15/01/2025 20:15

Hoppingabout · 15/01/2025 20:09

This is actually a good point. Although TBF some of the rises were due to the change in the pension regulations for teachers.

Although it doesn't mean that government needed to intervene and give parents a good kicking too!

Edited

Well, you say that except loads of private schools have been opting OUT of the Teachers Pension Service - as private businesses they can do what they want- and I know quite a few teachers who have left private for state because of the ££ they will lose long term over this.

They’re not spending the money on teachers, whatever they say. Still, that state of the art cricket pavilion to replace the previous top tier pavilion that was perfectly fine, won’t pay for itself. The one that’s going to bring in those ££££ minted overseas boarders.

Letlooseonthedanse · 15/01/2025 20:16

AgathaPanthus · 15/01/2025 20:13

The state of the NHS and the cost of living crisis were much higher on most people's agenda.

I wasn’t paying much attention to the whole bye bye tax break in fees during the election.
Now though, thanks to MN I am a rabid supporter!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 15/01/2025 20:16

If it's not envy then what could it be?

Spite, @Hoppingabout
As with most parties they're only really interested in their own "client base" - in Labour's case the non-aspirational - and naturally resent anyone who feels they can look after themselves better than a government ever could

Hence the lack of engagement with questions, or even any real understanding ... why bother when what really counts is the ideology?

twistyizzy · 15/01/2025 20:17

TankFlyBossW4lk · 15/01/2025 19:59

Oh ok then. Hope you said the same about Boris at some point.

Damn right cos I've never voted Tory

BIossomtoes · 15/01/2025 20:18

AgathaPanthus · 15/01/2025 20:13

The state of the NHS and the cost of living crisis were much higher on most people's agenda.

I doubt there were many people who determined their vote on private school fees. They’re not even on the radar of the 93% of parents whose kids are state educated.

Hoppingabout · 15/01/2025 20:18

ChallahPlaiter · 15/01/2025 20:03

Gosh how childish.
Yes, if you say so. I’ll let the posts speak for themselves.

I don't think it's "childish" to argue against women refusing to allow women to criticise other women simply because they are women?

Your posts don't really say anything substantive other than don't use Bridget's first name, don't say she's not a great and eminent minister and that we can't criticise her as to do so would be misogynistic. I can't really see where they "speak" to anything.

I suspect you may actually be Bridget herself?? And yes that bit is me being childish.

BIossomtoes · 15/01/2025 20:20

Puzzledandpissedoff · 15/01/2025 20:16

If it's not envy then what could it be?

Spite, @Hoppingabout
As with most parties they're only really interested in their own "client base" - in Labour's case the non-aspirational - and naturally resent anyone who feels they can look after themselves better than a government ever could

Hence the lack of engagement with questions, or even any real understanding ... why bother when what really counts is the ideology?

Isn’t it interesting that the higher your level of education, the more likely you are to vote Labour? That doesn’t really fit with that analysis.

Hoppingabout · 15/01/2025 20:21

Letlooseonthedanse · 15/01/2025 20:15

Well, you say that except loads of private schools have been opting OUT of the Teachers Pension Service - as private businesses they can do what they want- and I know quite a few teachers who have left private for state because of the ££ they will lose long term over this.

They’re not spending the money on teachers, whatever they say. Still, that state of the art cricket pavilion to replace the previous top tier pavilion that was perfectly fine, won’t pay for itself. The one that’s going to bring in those ££££ minted overseas boarders.

Most parents are interesting in results so getting the best teaching will be paramount.

EasternStandard · 15/01/2025 20:21

Lonelycrab · 15/01/2025 20:14

Well Eastern, it’s going to be a long few years until the next GE so best get used to being unhappy? Me personally I’ll wait until these policies actually have an effect and then I’ll judge at that point. We’ve had the most woeful and damaging government possibly imaginable (I presume cheered on by you) and it’s lead us to this economic cul de sac, changes need to be made.

And taxing those that avoid or are magically exempt from tax are a huge part in those changes that need making.

I can’t say I do unhappy I always feel good about life. As for feeling good I’m sure even Labour can see they’re unusual in losing support so soon after a GE.

As for the ever present desire for higher taxes on some threads that depends on what it does for growth. Currently at zero so that will need to change.

Hoppingabout · 15/01/2025 20:23

BIossomtoes · 15/01/2025 20:20

Isn’t it interesting that the higher your level of education, the more likely you are to vote Labour? That doesn’t really fit with that analysis.

Yes they really don't represent the working classes any more.

twistyizzy · 15/01/2025 20:23

Letlooseonthedanse · 15/01/2025 19:52

MORE threads on private schools losing a tax break? Oh please.

How do you feel about the tax breaks YOU get? Are you happy to get those?

Or do you just want to end a zero rated exemption due to an agreed principle across Europe and much of the rest of the world?

twistyizzy · 15/01/2025 20:24

BIossomtoes · 15/01/2025 20:20

Isn’t it interesting that the higher your level of education, the more likely you are to vote Labour? That doesn’t really fit with that analysis.

Can you show the data to prove that?

BIossomtoes · 15/01/2025 20:25

twistyizzy · 15/01/2025 20:23

How do you feel about the tax breaks YOU get? Are you happy to get those?

Or do you just want to end a zero rated exemption due to an agreed principle across Europe and much of the rest of the world?

What tax breaks do any of us get that you don’t? This was an extra tax break 7% of the population got.

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