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To be completely shocked by this - Bridget can’t tell us the impact of the government’s VAT on Education?

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Sasskitty · 15/01/2025 17:05

Bridget Phillipson dodges question on impact of private school tax raid

As parents and schools complain of chaos, Ms Phillipson refuses to spell out details of the assessment made by the department for education

Bridget Phillipson failed to spell out the full impact of the government’s private school VAT raid, dodging the question when asked about the possible implications for special education schools.

While she said the government has “looked at all of the potential impacts”, her answer failed to provide any real detail on the expected consequences.

It comes as parents and schools complain about the implications of the tax raid, which came into force on New Year’s Day and is expected to raise £1.5bn for the Treasury.

YABU - Bridget Phillipson has it all in hand. She just didn’t feel like answering the pesky question. The point is to piss rich people off. Leave Labour alone, they want nothing but erm oh I’m not sure.

YANBU - Phillipson clearly has no idea what the impact of VAT on Education will be. Nor does she really care as long as she’s seen to be punishing those horrible rich people. Or even better (it seems) the not really rich ones just trying to improve the education of their children as the available state schools were not suitable.

https://apple.news/AO7fcmrzuRaik4stLaPQxwA

(sorry paywall but there’s not much more in the article)

PS. I’ve removed the poll tally, no one needs to see real data. Do they?

Bridget Phillipson dodges question on impact of private school tax raid — The Independent

As parents and schools complain of chaos, Ms Phillipson refuses to spell out details of the assessment made by the department for education

https://apple.news/AO7fcmrzuRaik4stLaPQxwA

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Letlooseonthedanse · 17/01/2025 07:47

twistyizzy · 17/01/2025 07:36

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/18sPhr61m6/

It started in early 2000s and was never headline national news, but reported in local press.

Since when has FB been ‘local press’??? That seems half conspiracy theory/ half gossip.
link to the police ‘reports’ if any of it’s true.

PS belittling the women in charge of certain Labour policies isn’t going change the loss of tax break. It could be ANYONE in that role and the outcome would be the same.

twistyizzy · 17/01/2025 07:55

Letlooseonthedanse · 17/01/2025 07:47

Since when has FB been ‘local press’??? That seems half conspiracy theory/ half gossip.
link to the police ‘reports’ if any of it’s true.

PS belittling the women in charge of certain Labour policies isn’t going change the loss of tax break. It could be ANYONE in that role and the outcome would be the same.

This letter was published in local press but I can't currently find a link as at work

Letlooseonthedanse · 17/01/2025 08:06

twistyizzy · 17/01/2025 07:55

This letter was published in local press but I can't currently find a link as at work

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Riiiggghhhtt… sure.
trying to paint devil horns on a politician is about as affective as throwing darts at a picture of them.
Might make you feel better but changes sod all. Some of the abuse and comments about BP by people who are apparently educated and consider themselves to be at the top of the heap is bordering on the ridiculous.
Hysterical most of it.
and again, personal attacks are not going to affect a government decision - a popular one - to remove tax breaks. Blame the Tories. We all got so tired of them and their £££ to mates that no-one has much sympathy left.

twistyizzy · 17/01/2025 08:13

Letlooseonthedanse · 17/01/2025 08:06

Riiiggghhhtt… sure.
trying to paint devil horns on a politician is about as affective as throwing darts at a picture of them.
Might make you feel better but changes sod all. Some of the abuse and comments about BP by people who are apparently educated and consider themselves to be at the top of the heap is bordering on the ridiculous.
Hysterical most of it.
and again, personal attacks are not going to affect a government decision - a popular one - to remove tax breaks. Blame the Tories. We all got so tired of them and their £££ to mates that no-one has much sympathy left.

Who considers themselves to be top of the heap? You think I do? Jog on
Calling other women/mums by the misogynistic term of 'hysterical' is never a good look.

Hoppingabout · 17/01/2025 08:17

twistyizzy · 17/01/2025 08:13

Who considers themselves to be top of the heap? You think I do? Jog on
Calling other women/mums by the misogynistic term of 'hysterical' is never a good look.

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In the David Cameron mode of "calm down, dear"

Araminta1003 · 17/01/2025 08:21

The mansplaining is always completely obvious … and total humour fail as well! Quite satirical really.

Hoppingabout · 17/01/2025 08:22

twistyizzy · 17/01/2025 07:55

This letter was published in local press but I can't currently find a link as at work

Edited

I think that was proven to be false and a libel case involved?

Araminta1003 · 17/01/2025 08:23

And the cowardice of namechanging…

Hoppingabout · 17/01/2025 08:26

Araminta1003 · 17/01/2025 08:23

And the cowardice of namechanging…

Random. Not sure why that's cowardice? I've named changed a couple of times due to revealing too much identifying information over a period of time. Is that wrong?

twistyizzy · 17/01/2025 08:26

Hoppingabout · 17/01/2025 08:22

I think that was proven to be false and a libel case involved?

Maybe and that might explain why I can't find the links. In which case I will report my post because I will accept if I'm wrong

Araminta1003 · 17/01/2025 08:30

There are numerous education tax threads and it always becomes unpleasant and contentious. There are many opinions.

It is very divisive and hateful policy. Nuff said!

Hoppingabout · 17/01/2025 08:39

Araminta1003 · 17/01/2025 08:30

There are numerous education tax threads and it always becomes unpleasant and contentious. There are many opinions.

It is very divisive and hateful policy. Nuff said!

Agreed. I get that people have opposing idealogical views about private education and that should be debated obviously. But with this, it does boil down to government policy causing some children having to leave school where they were happy and thriving and where their friends are, and some people on these threads seem to forget this in their glee to bash "the rich". Bridget Philipson also talks about them almost as though they don't count. They are still British children and she seems to forget that in her divisive policy and her rhetoric.

BIossomtoes · 17/01/2025 08:41

It’s not “her” policy. It’s Labour policy. It’s collective responsibility.

GJD23000 · 17/01/2025 08:42

Many of the comments on this issue feel quite unfair. I send my little girl to private school, and while I fully acknowledge that it’s a privilege to do so, it doesn’t mean I’m a millionaire. In reality, the majority of parents at her school work incredibly hard to afford the fees. This choice has required significant sacrifices, as we’ve prioritized our children’s education over other areas of our lives.

The way private school parents are being portrayed—particularly by Labour—paints everyone with the same brush. It’s clear they haven’t thought about the real consequences of these policies. This is essentially a tax on education, and the negative impacts are already being felt. In my area, for example, local state schools are struggling to cope and from the chat in the playground there are quite a few parents who are considering pulling their children out.

This isn’t just about wealth—it’s about parents doing their best for their children. The lack of understanding about the sacrifices involved and the wider effects of these changes is frustrating. If the goal is to strengthen education overall, these policies need much more thought.

EasternStandard · 17/01/2025 08:42

Hoppingabout · 17/01/2025 08:39

Agreed. I get that people have opposing idealogical views about private education and that should be debated obviously. But with this, it does boil down to government policy causing some children having to leave school where they were happy and thriving and where their friends are, and some people on these threads seem to forget this in their glee to bash "the rich". Bridget Philipson also talks about them almost as though they don't count. They are still British children and she seems to forget that in her divisive policy and her rhetoric.

Agree

Hoppingabout · 17/01/2025 08:43

BIossomtoes · 17/01/2025 08:41

It’s not “her” policy. It’s Labour policy. It’s collective responsibility.

You know what I mean. If it's easier I can add "and Labour's policy". And I already mentioned it was government policy.
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twistyizzy · 17/01/2025 08:43

Hoppingabout · 17/01/2025 08:39

Agreed. I get that people have opposing idealogical views about private education and that should be debated obviously. But with this, it does boil down to government policy causing some children having to leave school where they were happy and thriving and where their friends are, and some people on these threads seem to forget this in their glee to bash "the rich". Bridget Philipson also talks about them almost as though they don't count. They are still British children and she seems to forget that in her divisive policy and her rhetoric.

She clearly said in the Education Committee interview that she doesn't represent kids in Indy schools. I have never felt such visceral hate of a politician before as I do about her. She is vile. If anyone thinks she is here to improve education then they are deluded, delve into any of her policies and none of them will actually improve the state of education.

Hoppingabout · 17/01/2025 08:46

twistyizzy · 17/01/2025 08:43

She clearly said in the Education Committee interview that she doesn't represent kids in Indy schools. I have never felt such visceral hate of a politician before as I do about her. She is vile. If anyone thinks she is here to improve education then they are deluded, delve into any of her policies and none of them will actually improve the state of education.

Did she say that? Well, she might not support those kids but she doesn't need to attack them. Still, I suppose that's another voting base lost to Labour for good. They really are piling them up.

BIossomtoes · 17/01/2025 08:49

I don’t imagine private school parents were ever part of the Labour voting base.

twistyizzy · 17/01/2025 08:49

Hoppingabout · 17/01/2025 08:46

Did she say that? Well, she might not support those kids but she doesn't need to attack them. Still, I suppose that's another voting base lost to Labour for good. They really are piling them up.

Yes it is on the recording of the session. She also lied and claimed they were engaging with the sector. So several FoIs have gone in because there is no evidence of that happening. In fact she actively ignores any attempts to engage.

twistyizzy · 17/01/2025 08:50

BIossomtoes · 17/01/2025 08:49

I don’t imagine private school parents were ever part of the Labour voting base.

Then you suppose wrong.
Why is it so difficult to understand that people are complex and can have conflicting world views at the same time.
Does doing 1 thing automatically mean you have to vote for 1 particular party?
Like the whole "Tory bot" or Daily Mail accusations. So boring and linear

Hoppingabout · 17/01/2025 08:53

BIossomtoes · 17/01/2025 08:49

I don’t imagine private school parents were ever part of the Labour voting base.

I think you might be wrong. I know plenty of private school parents that vote(d) Labour. I couldnt work out why myself obviously but many come from working class backgrounds and have done well in life. Not the sort of voter Labour care for any more I suppose.

I was actually rather thinking of the children when they can vote.

EasternStandard · 17/01/2025 08:55

Hoppingabout · 17/01/2025 08:53

I think you might be wrong. I know plenty of private school parents that vote(d) Labour. I couldnt work out why myself obviously but many come from working class backgrounds and have done well in life. Not the sort of voter Labour care for any more I suppose.

I was actually rather thinking of the children when they can vote.

There’s definitely Labour supporters who use private schools on mn

BIossomtoes · 17/01/2025 08:56

EasternStandard · 17/01/2025 08:55

There’s definitely Labour supporters who use private schools on mn

Then they knew what they were voting for. VAT on school fees was in the manifesto.

Hoppingabout · 17/01/2025 08:58

EasternStandard · 17/01/2025 08:55

There’s definitely Labour supporters who use private schools on mn

I was always amazed at the private school parents who voted Labour (in the past obviously). It always seemed a contradiction to me but there were a fair few self-professed lefties or non-Conservative voters who voted Labour for reasons other than school fees. Not any more obviously but there used to be.

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