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Meddling and overbearing MIL

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uDanceHead246 · 14/01/2025 00:35

Need advise please- its a lengthy post

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uDanceHead246 · 14/01/2025 00:36

It’s going to be a lengthy post. I have been holding all of this in for three years, and I need to get it off my chest and get an outsider’s perspective, because DH brushes it off like it’s not a big deal.
DH (M38) and I (F38) have been together for six years, and we have our LO. We both work full-time, and my parents live abroad, so my in-laws are the only family we have nearby. While I’ve tried to be patient, my MIL's constant interference in our lives and DH’s excuses for her poor behaviour have become unbearable. MIL must know everything that’s going on in our lives, and she has to have a say in it.
For example, a day before our wedding, MIL told DH, "Don’t plan anything yet she isn’t looking 100%." After she left, I asked DH about it, and he said, “My mother was insinuating not to plan for children (on our wedding night) because you aren’t looking 100% healthy!” MIL then spent years telling us not to have kids because "they’ll ruin your life" and "just get cats."
When DH and I were looking to buy a house together, she assumed it was my decision not to buy near her and messaged me asking if there was a reason. The truth is, DH and I wanted to be closer to work, daycare, and school for future kids. If we moved near MIL, it would have meant a two-hour commute each way during peak hours.
When we finally bought our house, we were so excited and took our in-laws to see the house. MIL, being pessimistic as always, ruined the occasion. As soon as we arrived, she started making negative comments about the house and the location (traffic noise, train noise, ambulance sirens). She didn’t even congratulate us or have anything nice to say about our new home. Instead, she kept redirecting the conversation to herself, talking about her friend who had just left the hospital, as if our buying a house wasn’t a big deal.
When we announced our pregnancy, she ruined our happy occasion once again by saying, “Oh, well, if you had bought a house near my house, I would have helped you raise this kid.” Since that day, she spent the next two years telling us, “One kid is enough, don’t have more.”
When I was around six months pregnant with my LO; MIL’s niece (let’s call her "Kez," who was close to DH growing up) was expecting her third child through IVF. MIL came to visit us and was very judgmental about Kez having three kids. She went on about how Kez had frozen 5 eggs and used 3; MIL thought Kez should just donate her remaining two eggs. Apparently, Kez had expressed to MIL or to Kez’s mom (I can’t remember what MIL was going on about) that she couldn’t imagine having her biological kids out there in the world without knowing them. Then MIL turned to DH and casually said, “Maybe you should borrow an egg from Kez!” After she left, I told DH that I found it incredibly rude and weird to joke about cousins having kids together (even without the actual deed). What did she think was wrong with my own eggs? DH just brushed it off, saying, “She just says strange things sometimes.” MIL speaks so condescendingly, as though she’s smarter than everyone else and that everyone else is stupid. It wasn’t a joke. It felt deeply intrusive and disrespectful.
The day before I was due for delivery, FIL and DH were working on something in our yard that would take the whole day. MIL invited herself and spent nearly eight hours with us (mostly with me). I made breakfast and organized lunch for all. She brought rum balls (with real rum in them while I was pregnant) and TWO plum fruits. She gave me the plums and said, “I got you these, so you don’t feel left out!”
She said some hurtful things to me that day. She insisted we should stop at just one child. She told me that if we planned to have a second, it would be a "bad" child, just like her second child, and that it would ruin our lives. I told her I’m the second child in my family (out of three siblings), and my mother always said I was the easiest baby, the best-behaved child, and the most thoughtful adult compared to my siblings. To which MIL responded, “Why didn’t she stop at two then? Why did she have three kids?” I was so shocked, but I said, “I’m a laid-back person, so is DH; I’m sure our kids will be the same.” She replied, “So many things went wrong on your wedding day, but you weren’t a bridezilla, so I’m hoping you are laid-back.” A backhanded compliment about our wedding, which happened two years ago! It’s so typical of her pessimistic personality, though. She had to find a way to let "her opinions" be known. I hope she felt better about herself after that. Later, she commented, “When you have kids so late, it will be hard to look after grandkids.” She also mentioned that she had shared part of her inheritance with my BIL and DH. Except, my DH had to pay her back that money over the next 4-5 years in instalments. It felt like a manipulation tactic.
When they visited our newborn in the hospital, FIL mentioned that he’d like to be called “Grumps.” But MIL, being as self-serving as always, kept referring to FIL as “Grand pops” or “Pops,” despite his preference. Her excuse was, “It’s so cute, I like it, that’s what my kids called my dad, it makes me happy, blah blah blah.” So, she decides what she wants to be called, and she decides what FIL should be called as well? As if he doesn’t have the right to express his own wishes. It’s unbelievable. I honestly have never come across such a controlling, selfish person. She has no regard for anyone else’s choices, especially when it comes to FIL, BIL, or DH. I can’t imagine how her behaviour has affected their mental health over the years. She seems to see herself as some kind of martyr for doing the bare minimum of her responsibilities. That’s probably why she thinks “kids ruin your life” — because she could’ve spent every second of her life and every penny on herself if she had the choice. Now she acts like she owns her children, given all the “sacrifices” she claims to have made. She would probably say, "You’ll know once your children grow up." Except we don’t, because I was taught that children don’t owe their parents anything; parents don’t own their adult children.
MIL made my postpartum all about her. DH kept getting pressured for constant updates and photos, as if he owed her that. She said she sent hundreds of photos to her parents when he was little, so DH must do the same for her. Just because she liked doing that doesn’t mean DH has to, right? But of course, he doesn't get a choice.
Throughout my postpartum, her behaviour continued to be demanding, disrespectful, and focused on making everything about what she wants instead of respecting our space and needs. She even cried at our house to DH, saying she was not feeling “loved.” She didn’t care how her selfishness was impacting us. DH and I had several arguments because of her nastiness during my PPD stage. I will never forget it.
MIL asked if she could bring her friend to see the newborn, saying they’d just look at him from outside (as if he’s a zoo animal?). Then she told us to quickly stop by her brother’s house, the newborn could stay in his car seat while they just see him. We didn’t because our plans changed that day.
We eventually organized a gathering at the park with her brother’s family. When we arrived, the baby was still in the pram. MIL walked over to us and sarcastically said, “Are we allowed to pick him up?” She could have just asked, “Can I hold him?”
On another occasion, after I had just finished feeding the baby and passed him to DH for burping, DH immediately passed the baby to MIL. She was passive-aggressive about it, saying, “Oh, I’m allowed to hold him now, am I?”
Because she expects DH to pass the baby to her as soon as she walks in the door, she doesn’t want to step on anyone’s toes by asking for a cuddle. Yet, she has no problem giving unsolicited advice about our wedding night and kids.
When I asked her to wash her hands before touching the newborn after she played with our dog (FYI, she gets cold sores too), she just ignored me. The next time she visited, DH very sheepishly asked her, “Can you wash your hands, please?” She snapped back, “Do you want me to shower as well?” She was furious, and I could see why DH is so hesitant to stand up to MIL because she snaps with passive-aggressive remarks and then brings them up later as subtle digs.
MIL’s also a bit of a hoarder. She once collected some free, small-size replica Legos from Woolworths (a grocery store), which were labelled as “suitable for children over 6 years of age.” Our LO was a newborn then. She asked us if we wanted the Legos for him. I told her he was too little, and we didn’t have room to hang onto these toys for the next 6 years. We had just decluttered our house and garage during my nesting period and donated a lot of things to make room. She said, “Okay.”
Guess who showed up with a bag full of tiny Legos the next week? She just gave them to DH saying, “You still have the milk crate in your garage, don’t you? Keep these toys in that crate. They don’t take up much space.” She was becoming increasingly audacious with her disrespect, completely disregarding my decisions in our own home, all because she thinks it’s her son’s house. But here’s the thing—it’s his and his wife’s house. Unless she continues to play us against each other and make him a single dad, it’s not his house alone. If one of us says no, it’s a no. You don’t play us against each other.
After that day, she stopped asking if we wanted any of her things and started bringing more hand-me-downs to our house instead. To make her point, on her next few visits, she showed up with a few bags filled with old flashcard books, used toys some with small particles choking hazard for young children’, and books. She didn’t ask if we wanted any of it, nor did she explain what was in the bags. She just dumped them at our house and told DH, “I have some things for you.”
Her possible excuse: “I was just trying to help.” Especially after your wife said she doesn’t want more clutter because you don’t have much space in your house.
MIL invited herself to regular visits to see the baby by saying, “On my next fortnightly visit…” She didn’t ask, she just told us. I get that it’s our first baby, but I would’ve preferred if she asked us first!
Not once did she offer to help or bring any meals during these visits. She didn’t hesitate to give unsolicited advice, but when it came to offering help, she was too concerned about not "stepping on toes."
On DH’s birthday (LO was a five-week-old baby), obviously, MIL invited herself. So, DH replied to her saying it’s going to be an afternoon tea and requested if she could shorten the visit because we were exhausted as new parents. She ignored the text and stayed longer.
I baked a cake and arranged some snacks for afternoon tea. Then she complained, “This is the first time we didn’t have a meal on your birthday. Was there a reason we couldn’t stay for dinner?” We have a five-week-old baby, and spending five to six hours on DH’s actual birthday wasn’t good enough for her.
I’ve noticed a few times when I was joking about our future plans or LO’s future, MIL would glare at DH with a straight face, as if she disapproved of what I said or was planning to talk to him about it later. On more than one occasion, it felt like MIL sees herself as part of a team with DH, and I’m the outsider in this marriage.
During my postpartum period, I realized that my MIL has always been self-serving and self-centred. It feels like we’re constantly under her scrutiny. She wants to know everything, and if we don’t do things her way, she’ll be smug about it and say, “I told you so.” If DH doesn’t do as she pleases, she puts us down with snarky remarks. She’s so preoccupied with herself that she doesn’t care about the additional pressure she adds to DH’s life. She keeps asking him the same thing over and over until he just gives in. Even if DH says no once or ignores her, she’ll keep asking repeatedly, and eventually, he feels bad and gives in. She’s so cunning and self-centred.
I eventually went to therapy because I thought if I didn’t, I might end up ruining our marriage. The therapist (a grandma and a MIL herself) was shocked at how often my MIL contacted us—multiple times a day (Every-Single-Day). We get messages from MIL about “updates on her day,” “her house dramas with BIL & neighbour’s,” “updates about her cats,” or random things she saw on Facebook. She constantly pressures DH to respond to her messages. If it were something truly important, he would have replied on his own. There’s no need for her to stress him to respond to every single message. God forbid her (37-year-old) son, a grown man with a newborn, a PPD wife, and a full-time job, should have any space. To MIL, he shouldn't change—he should still be responding to her daily banter like he's 17 and living with her.
The therapist said, “Well, if your DH thinks that’s normal, then that’s normal to him.” But she was sucking all the oxygen out of the room and pulling DH into her house dramas when he was already dealing with his own struggles. The therapist suggested going NC for a couple of months to clear my mind, and before I’m ready to move out of NC, we’ll work on setting boundaries.
I initially started with LC after LO turned one, as my MIL had become increasingly overbearing and pushy, constantly pressuring my DH about how much contact she expects or what she did for her parents. I was struggling to keep peace in our house and keep DH happy, while MIL was acting like a victim and taking advantage of us not pushing back.
I found LC peaceful and felt like I got back the control over my time and decisions again. So, LC turned into NC. DH takes LO to visit our in-laws once a month, but it's sad that FIL, who is a wonderful, thoughtful, and kind man, doesn't get to see LO more often because of MIL. I miss my FIL’s company and his humour. He made us feel loved, heard, and seen.
I suggested to DH that we catch up with just FIL, but he doesn’t want to, thinking it would be weird and that it will make MIL sad.
My MIL’s constant meddling, even if she believes she’s just talking to her son, has made me question my place in my own marriage. She feels entitled to interfere in her 38 years old son’s life, offering unsolicited advice about his role as a spouse and parent. She doesn’t seem to understand that this is my house too, and my marriage too. As husband and wife, we make the decisions in our house—no one else gets to have a say, even if she downplays it as "I was just saying."
I wasn’t living under a rock before I met my DH. I had a full-time job in an office (which I still have), my own car, and I bought my own unit, living on my own. I’ve created this life for me, so I live the way I want to. Our little family isn’t my MIL’s chance to "fix her mistakes."
DH has a sibling who is 35, unemployed and still lives with their parents. DH feels obligated to make MIL happy because his brother already causes stress for their parents.
Given her passive-aggressive behaviour, sarcastic comments, and backhanded remarks, I really don’t want MIL around my LO at all. She’s not setting a positive example. I don’t want her teaching our child that they should just do what others say to avoid being mocked "in a joking way." In short, be a pushover and a people-pleaser.
Most of our marital arguments started only because of MIL’s meddling. The ripple effect of her interference still causes a lot of tension between us. DH isn’t always bothered by her passive-aggressive or snarky remarks because he grew up in that environment, conditioned to dismiss them with excuses like, “She’s just joking,” “She doesn’t mean it that way,” or “She’s trying to be helpful,” etc. DH and I continue to have disagreements on this topic because I feel like DH adjusts our lives to appease MIL. He brushes it off as it’s not a big deal.
It’s clear that her inability to respect boundaries is a major source of stress in our marriage, yet DH feels it’s his responsibility to fulfil MIL’s emotional needs, even if it comes at the expense of our marriage.

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username299 · 14/01/2025 00:39

Could you sum up in a paragraph?

Comet33 · 14/01/2025 00:49

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Comet33 · 14/01/2025 00:52

@uDanceHead246 I'm not sure what advice you're looking for, specifically? Are you still LC with her?
My advice would be to keep things so but I'm not sure if there's something more you need advice with because I think you tailed off a bit at the end?

Lots of sympathy for living with this, sounds like a nightmare for both of you

Yalta · 14/01/2025 00:58

I would encourage dh to have therapy

Maybe contact fil separately to meet up with LO

I suspect MIL is bored out of her mind and won’t get a hobby or do anything that isn’t about her family

So everything is about family, Her family. She too probably needs therapy to let go and realise we bring our children up to have lives of their own and if she feels like she has to constantly comment and insert herself into your lives and make sure you are adhering to her rules then as parent she has failed.

Maybe point that out to her the next time she tries to correct you

raysan · 14/01/2025 01:07

Mark Goulston - Dealing with crazy

S0upertrooper · 14/01/2025 01:14

OP, my MIL was a very difficult woman and caused a us lot of heartache and stress, so I can empathise. Your MIL won't change, so you need to change your response to her.

I've just come across Mel Robbins 'The Let Them Theory', have a listen to her podcast, I wish I'd listened when I was younger.

Could you and DH have counselling together to talk about how you have a united response to MIL? He's lived with this all his life and won't know any other way. She sounds like a very insecure woman who is trying to control everything and everyone around her. I bet you're not the only ones she's doing this to, it's not personal but with your DH, you need to create some boundaries to show her that it's ok for your life to be different to hers and if she doesn't like it, tough.

I say this as a 'MIL' who leaves my DS and his lovely partner to get on with their life as they please. I'm happy to step in and help if they want me to but I try not to interfere.

Goldengirl123 · 14/01/2025 09:24

Every time she says something you don’t like, challenge her about it. Don’t keep accepting it

Spirallingdownwards · 14/01/2025 09:40

Agree with the stay NC/LC but get couple counselling if only for DH to understand how he needs to set boundaries when he does take your child to see her.

Oh and bin (or donate to charity) all of the crap toys etc she shall brought round and that is cluttering the garage.

ClickClickety · 14/01/2025 09:52

Even though you are no contact with her she’s still involved in your marriage because you keep talking about her with your husband. Tell him you don’t want to hear what she thinks about your family and change the subject. You can suggest therapy but it’s up to him how he handles his relationship with her. Let go of your resentment about the past. You can’t change it or her.

Gazelda · 14/01/2025 10:31

She sounds incredibly overbearing and meddling.

She also sounds incapable of considering anyone else's views or wishes. It's clear she won't compromise her behaviour.

It's obvious you don't like her. But it sounds as though you're not prepared to compromise either.

LC was working for you. It was peaceful. Yet you decided to go further to NC. Why? Surely that's made things more difficult for DH? Wouldn't it have been better to stay LC so you could see FIL more and ease some of the stress your DH must surely be under?

Don't get me wrong, it's MILs behaviour that is the problem. But it seems as though she's pushed you so far that you are now stubbornly refusing to compromise. Which is a shame.

Your DH could probably benefit from some counselling. Help him to see how manipulative she is and how it's undermined your marriage.

Surely the ideal for everyone would be a LC relationship where you can attempt to build a respectful relationship that allows DC to have a childhood that includes his grandparents.

Pottedpalm · 14/01/2025 10:59

You are giving her too much head space. It’s mot good to store up and keep mulling over all these perceived slights and insults.

uDanceHead246 · 14/01/2025 22:01

Comet33 · 14/01/2025 00:52

@uDanceHead246 I'm not sure what advice you're looking for, specifically? Are you still LC with her?
My advice would be to keep things so but I'm not sure if there's something more you need advice with because I think you tailed off a bit at the end?

Lots of sympathy for living with this, sounds like a nightmare for both of you

I'm feeling uncertain about what to do next. Should I keep my distance from my MIL and continue with NC, or should I let go of the pain she's caused and act like everything is fine for the sake of my DH and LO?

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Mum2jenny · 14/01/2025 22:09

I’d ignore her, but it’s your dh’s choice what he wants to do.

uDanceHead246 · 14/01/2025 22:10

S0upertrooper · 14/01/2025 01:14

OP, my MIL was a very difficult woman and caused a us lot of heartache and stress, so I can empathise. Your MIL won't change, so you need to change your response to her.

I've just come across Mel Robbins 'The Let Them Theory', have a listen to her podcast, I wish I'd listened when I was younger.

Could you and DH have counselling together to talk about how you have a united response to MIL? He's lived with this all his life and won't know any other way. She sounds like a very insecure woman who is trying to control everything and everyone around her. I bet you're not the only ones she's doing this to, it's not personal but with your DH, you need to create some boundaries to show her that it's ok for your life to be different to hers and if she doesn't like it, tough.

I say this as a 'MIL' who leaves my DS and his lovely partner to get on with their life as they please. I'm happy to step in and help if they want me to but I try not to interfere.

Thank you for sharing that ❤️ you sound like a lovely MIL. I’m definitely going to listen this podcast too

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uDanceHead246 · 14/01/2025 22:12

Pottedpalm · 14/01/2025 10:59

You are giving her too much head space. It’s mot good to store up and keep mulling over all these perceived slights and insults.

I should forgive and forget 😓

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LifedestroyerifYOUletthem · 14/01/2025 22:30

Op I felt your pain.

So much of your post sounds so similar to my awful experience.
I would suggest relate counselling ASAP for both of you so a third party can help your dh understand the impact on you.
Secondly I suggest looking up insight on fb or podcasts.
I'm sorry I can't remember the exact name, but it's a podcast about narrasicm and people who won't let anyone else get oxygen in the room.

There is a fb page and podcasts
I'd also start to read about narrasicm and all that stuff.
Your dh is in fog, possibly emeshed.
You have the responsibility and the right to protect yourself and your dc.
You have the right to defend yourself.

If someone was so cruel in a job or friendship or any other situation we would say fuck off or leave.

But often in this dynamic we are caught like flies.

LifedestroyerifYOUletthem · 14/01/2025 22:32

@Mum2jenny it's also his choice whether to allow his own mother to drive his wife /partner /mother of his child to such deep unhappiness they have to post on here in despair.

That's also a choice.

LifedestroyerifYOUletthem · 14/01/2025 22:32

What would you do op if your dm was speaking to your dh like this.

Tittibits · 14/01/2025 23:28

Don’t give her any space in your head or life. Don’t talk about her, don’t ask about her. It does sound like your husband needs to reassess his priorities. He is a father now and needs to move on emotionally to be the parent, not worry about his mum.

You clearly hate her and could have been more assertive with her and your husband much earlier on by expressing your feelings to both of them. I certainly would not have been able to bite my lip with some of the things you describe. I would have made it clear that I didn’t want second hand toys, although I appreciated her thinking of us- if she had continued bringing them or making comments, I would have explained again, thank you MIL, but no.

I often feel the husband’s family and mother especially are treated very unfairly by the wife, who always prioritises her family, but this is often the way of things. Any emotionally MIL ( or mother’) knows not to interfere!

BusyExpert · 15/01/2025 00:09

she sounds a nightmare, however the reality is you won't change her. All you can change is yourself. Have you thought about laughing at her, teasing her, ignoring her? She sounds like a bitter unsatisfied woman desperate to be relevant. It's sad really but you don't have to be a victim of it.

Comet33 · 15/01/2025 00:11

uDanceHead246 · 14/01/2025 22:01

I'm feeling uncertain about what to do next. Should I keep my distance from my MIL and continue with NC, or should I let go of the pain she's caused and act like everything is fine for the sake of my DH and LO?

Both: keep your distance and let go of the pain

I think it's difficult to let go of pain while the person responsible continues to wound. Distance will make it easier to cope with her when her company is unavoidable, and will not only make it easier for you but also give you the peace you need to be support your husband and children. You don't need to make a big deal of it, or speak badly of her, just step back and...let it go. X

DrSeussPHD · 15/01/2025 00:37

Lots of sympathy as I have a MiL like this. You have to get dh more on side though. It sounds like he sacrifices your happiness for hers. Stay nc.
I've lived it so sending all the hugs x

sandyhappypeople · 15/01/2025 00:42

And every time she did the many, many, many things you listed on your OP.. you did what? just sit there quietly? Then give your DH a telling off every time she left about how unreasonable and horrible his mother is?

I feel a bit sorry for the poor bloke actually, talk about stuck in the middle, he doesn't know any different, he has been raised by this mad woman and loves her unconditionally.. he doesn't feel the same way you do, so will NEVER deal with her in a way that will satisfy you, so if you feel she has insulted YOU to your face, why don't YOU just raise it with her there and then, instead of letting it fester?

I think you are completely unreasonable to expect your DH to set boundaries on your behalf (which you refuse to set yourself).. you've got a voice, use it. If you upset her then so what? You could have dealt with this years ago, you are letting her rule you, you are a bubbling mess of resentment, and you are sacrificing your marriage for it even though you are now NC.

FWIW one thing that stands out is the 'grumps' thing, as soon as she piped up that she wants him to be referred to as something else, I would have completely ignored her, looked him in the eye, laughed and said "of course they will call you grumps, you get to pick your own name grumps!", and every time after that I'd refer to him as 'grumps'.. why you all just sit there and let her control all of you is a completely alien concept, you can't accuse your DH of not standing up to her, while you don't either?!

If you don't do it for yourself you need to teach your child by example that they don't need to take shit from anyone, especially people that are supposed to love and care for them.

MILsAreHumanToo · 15/01/2025 00:44

username299 · 14/01/2025 00:39

Could you sum up in a paragraph?

😁