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1.2 million 16-24 year olds currently out of work?

292 replies

Hmmmmwhy · 13/01/2025 21:45

just heard this on the telly, is this correct? Anyone any anecdotal data (your own children- mine are much younger) of why? I find that astounding imagine if these young people never work, terrifying

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Upstartled · 14/01/2025 08:39

Getting a PT job as a teen in the 90s was easy because the wages came out of the petty cash. There was no minimum wage so we got practically nothing, often cash in hand and that was only possible because there were far more independent shops then rather than the majority of chains we have now.

But I don't think these figures are about those kinds of jobs, this is about NEETS and what happens when you demoralise a generation of youngsters who are hobbled by hopelessness before they even get a chance.

caringcarer · 14/01/2025 08:53

MerryMaker · 14/01/2025 01:07

This is not true. Employers NI starts at £12,570 a year.

There is now a lower limit which simply means if you give employees work benefits such as a work mobile phone, then NI may need to be applied to those

RR changed that in Autumn statement from April it's now lower and it will put some employers off hiring PT staff.

MartinCrieffsLemon · 14/01/2025 08:57

MerryMaker · 14/01/2025 01:38

@TempestTost its that older immigrants will take those jobs to earn money. A lot of teenagers and young people will not.

Lots of teenage and young people do want to but can't get positions

MartinCrieffsLemon · 14/01/2025 09:06

I saw a 16 year old walk into a charity shop and ask the manager for a volunteer position - he was told no, their insurance and RA wouldn't cover it but to come back at 18.

Lots of hospitality doesn't want under 18s because they can't ask them to cover shifts around alcohol, have to be careful with them in the kitchen etc. Same for retail - under 18s can't sell alcohol alone and lots of places now the "shelf stackers" are also the till operators and there's not enough of them for one to supervise the other.

Same with construction - there are such strict rules around what under 18s can work with and be exposed to that its more hassle than reward to hire under 18s.

Alexandra2001 · 14/01/2025 09:14

RoastDinnerSmellsNice · 13/01/2025 23:06

I have an 18 year old grandchild, who simply can't be bothered to stick with a job. They've had quite a few, after having decided that attending college was also too much like hard work!! It's too much trouble to get out of bed, too hard having to do what they're told all day, the jobs are 'boring', you name it, there's an excuse.

In my opinion, we've gradually made a rod for our own backs with our children, and unfortunately, I think that my generation (I'm in my 60's) were probably the ones to start it. All parents want their kids to have a better life than they had, but I think my generation may have been the first that had enough money to actually spoil our kids to any great extent. When I was a child, my parents could only afford to buy me gifts for birthday and Christmas and there were no massive great piles of gifts even then. New clothes were bought when the old ones wore out, or we grew out of them. We literally had a set of school clothes, hand me downs from older siblings, or cousins cast offs for after school and weekends, and one nice outfit for special occasions, However, when I had my first child, I often saw a little outfit in a shop window, and would pop in and buy it, without having to think too much about whether I could actually afford it. Then, if I had any spare money at the end of the week, I would buy her a little treat, maybe a colouring book, and pencils, or a pack of cards, maybe a book, doll, etc. There is no way my parents could have afforded to do this. Now, how many of you on MN can honestly say that they don't buy their kids treats like a toy car, or a doll, a book, a puzzle, or something that they don't actually NEED, on a frequent basis? This shows kids that they can pretty much always have what they want - obviously I realise that this is a massive generalisation, but even parents who struggle to make ends meet, will do it when they can. We all tell our kids how wonderful they are, and how they can do anything in life. We frequently praise them for the smallest things, and so, when they do enter the world of work, and suddenly find that they're not being praised to the hilt for simply making a cup of tea for the boss, or sweeping up, or filing a few papers, they think they're had done by. Then there's the wages, so many of them think that they should be earning a fortune, but don't expect to have to work their way up to get it, or pay board and contribute to the household by doing any chores, because they're now working and are SO tired!!

Basically, we've raised a nation of spoilt kids, and while there are those that work hard, do well, and have a career path in mind, with things to aim for, there are some that don't know what they want to do, so think they can just sit back and do NOTHING because Mum and Dad have always supplied everything they need, and will continue to do so! Look at the thread on here over the last couple of days, about the 19 year old boy, who would sooner leave home than wash his own underwear!! Most of us are simply too soft on our kids, and then when it comes to joining the work force, they really can't handle it.

Yet another post denigrating young people.

Vast majority of young people get jobs, often well paid ones, pretty much my DD entire year group are in work, earning and contributing, many in healthcare... from an average state school

Lazy? i know far more older people who are bone idle than young people.

Too soft? you mean we don't beat our kids anymore? the old always criticise the young, its what they do, jealousy, a life not well lived? who knows but its been going on for centuries.

Whereissummer24 · 14/01/2025 09:29

Its so hard for them to get a part time job now. My 17 yr old is desperate for a weekend job. He's applied for at least 10 since September. IT will be easier when he reaches 18 as he can get bar work but there seems to be very little out there. Same applies to my elder child at Uni, they have applied for so many part time jobs and nothing. Its definitely not as easy for them to find work as when i was young

Lwrenn · 14/01/2025 09:46

Those self serve tills have taken jobs from 100s of people. That’s very sad imo.

gamerchick · 14/01/2025 09:53

Hmmmmwhy · 13/01/2025 21:55

60?!! Wow. I guess we just used to walk in somewhere and ask, it was pretty easy. Never handed in a cv or anything. I had a job as a ‘Saturday girl’ in a hairdresser- £10 a day and I felt like the dog’s bollocks haha

You're coming across as extremely naive. Has it not occured to you that the world is different now.

Alexandra2001 · 14/01/2025 09:53

Lwrenn · 14/01/2025 09:46

Those self serve tills have taken jobs from 100s of people. That’s very sad imo.

They have in one sense but they have also created jobs with installers, manufacturers, mtce technicians and IT jobs.

Though i hate them, i don't work for Tesco et al, so why should i be doing their job for them?

Monwmum · 14/01/2025 09:57

I have a young niece who is out of work. She is registered with agencies and has done some temp work but the biggest problem is that all companies seem to recruit online now. It is so impersonal and you have no chance to stand out. You don't hear anything back either so no feedback to work from.

Gone are the days of applying for a local job in the paper or talking directly to the manager and handing them your CV. It's all done by some remote HR team in head office (usually based in Ecuador or similar for large companies). I personally think it's an absolute farce and a mess.

Needspaceforlego · 14/01/2025 09:58

Alexandra2001 · 14/01/2025 09:53

They have in one sense but they have also created jobs with installers, manufacturers, mtce technicians and IT jobs.

Though i hate them, i don't work for Tesco et al, so why should i be doing their job for them?

But they are all skilled jobs, none of those jobs are Saturday, student spare time type jobs.
Which adds to the thing of young people struggling to get a start.

Supermarkets don't particularly want 16/17 yos on the checkouts either, because of the additional rules surrounding them and they can't sell alcohol, they need an adult to sign them off.

Turbo4 · 14/01/2025 10:00

Hmmmmwhy · 13/01/2025 21:50

Just seems crazy, me and all my friends had jobs from being 14-15 (pot washers etc) and then through uni (the ones who went) part time and the ones who didn’t all worked. Nobody didn’t work cos it wasn’t an option? Job seekers was a pittance and you’d have died of embarrassment . Working class area in north in 90’s/00’s

Times have changed. My 15 year old would love a job but sadly no one will take him on.

MermaidEyes · 14/01/2025 10:06

Hmmmmwhy · 13/01/2025 21:50

Just seems crazy, me and all my friends had jobs from being 14-15 (pot washers etc) and then through uni (the ones who went) part time and the ones who didn’t all worked. Nobody didn’t work cos it wasn’t an option? Job seekers was a pittance and you’d have died of embarrassment . Working class area in north in 90’s/00’s

Welcome to 2025. You'll have a shock when your kids get older. One of mine works part time in a restaurant while still at school but was lucky, she applied just at the right time. She applied to several places and most of them couldn't even be arsed to reply just to say no, sorry, we're not looking for anyway this time. Other child struggled massively, she needed references (for a part time bar job) and every teacher/tutor she asked bar one ignored the request.

B0xes · 14/01/2025 10:07

I know a few

LlynTegid · 14/01/2025 10:15

I doubt it is the number quoted myself. However, the number of careers or even short term jobs that were available to 16 year olds seems to have declined a great deal, in absolute number and as a percentage of the job market.

It would be even more if university courses of little value were not provided.

User457788 · 14/01/2025 10:18

lavenderlou · 13/01/2025 21:49

I didn't see this but you wouldn't expect most 16 year olds to be in work anyway. However, I can see why my DC may not be able to work at that age. Currently 14, autistic and selective mute. Severe anxiety. Academically able but struggles to go to school. I don't see how she will ever get a job, especially as she can barely speak to anyone. The interview process for most jobs would be absolutely impossible for her. It makes me very fearful for the future.

Get her into coding! Set her up for a future of IT remote jobs, they pay well, she doesn't really have to talk to anyone. This girl can code is a good resource.

Alexandra2001 · 14/01/2025 10:18

Needspaceforlego · 14/01/2025 09:58

But they are all skilled jobs, none of those jobs are Saturday, student spare time type jobs.
Which adds to the thing of young people struggling to get a start.

Supermarkets don't particularly want 16/17 yos on the checkouts either, because of the additional rules surrounding them and they can't sell alcohol, they need an adult to sign them off.

I chatted with a student from our local comp over Xmas, she was in her first year of A levels, on the tills and my bottle of red wine was put through with her calling over to a colleague, a nod given and the transaction went through, been going on for years.

She works Saturdays and Sunday mornings.

The move to self service though means an older worker has to have the codes to authorise booze.

MermaidEyes · 14/01/2025 10:18

Going to add here, in my day (90s) half of us either had market stall jobs or babysitting jobs. Now markets are practically dead, the ones near me have all closed, and no one really wants random teenagers they don't know that well looking after their kids any more.

Seeline · 14/01/2025 10:38

I have a 20yo and a 23yo.

The 23yo started uni in 2020 - no jobs then! He eventually managed to get a job in his uni city in his 2nd year in a coffee chain. He had to work at least 16 hrs/week and only one shift could be at the weekend, so he had real difficulties fitting it around lectures. He also had to stay in his uni city for most holidays as he didn't have enough pro rata leave to come home. He gave it up in his final year to concentrate on his dissertation etc. He graduated with a first this summer. He is currently applying for grad roles to start next September (the process for which is unbelievably tortuous, especially having numerous applications on the go at the same time). He obviously wanted a job to cover the intervening period (although obviously didn't say this in his applications). He applied for numerous jobs in the retail and hospitality sectors from July onwards. He didn't even hear back from the majority. He got rejected from a branch of the coffee chain he had previously worked in for doing exactly the same job that he was doing at uni. He applied for all the supermarkets Christmas cover jobs - including the night shifts, and didn't get a single interview. He finally got a job in a pub in November - guaranteed 4hrs/week! Obviously over Christmas he was doing much more than that but not sure how things will work now. We are in South London. Even so, with a 12.30am finish, what would be a 10 minute drive, takes him nearly an hour on 2 buses.

The 20yo had a year out. The only job she could find was 4hrs/day in London at a museum. It took nearly 1.5hrs each way and cost over an hour's wage in tickets.

boys3 · 14/01/2025 11:20

What is your doubt about the number based on @LlynTegid ?

if it’s about the quality of the Labour Force Survey, used by the Office for National Statistics, then that’s not wholly unreasonable. Especially given the ONS recognise the issues with it.

Sinkintotheswamp · 14/01/2025 12:06

Hmmmmwhy · 13/01/2025 22:30

It sounds a mixed bag then in terms of young people being able to find jobs. I guess from those who have children in that age bracket what can parents of younger children do now to boost chances for our kids? I’ve got a little way yet with mine but I’d like to equip them as best I can

Get them volunteering at junior and big parkrun. Then when they're about 15 they can volunteer to help at the library summer reading challenge. I think all that helped my DC get a Saturday job at 17.
Maybe do D of E bronze too, just to show they're sensible and hands on.

Vettrianofan · 14/01/2025 12:58

Waste services in many local authorities are usually crying out for staff on a casual basis.

It's well paid for what it is, but many young ones don't want to "get dirty" (PPE provided).

Cakeandusername · 14/01/2025 13:04

YP seem to do ok asking on our local town facebook. People will reply who is recruiting in town.
Volunteering helps. For my dc’s first paid job at 16 the leader where she volunteered did her reference.

Cakeandusername · 14/01/2025 13:12

Vettrianofan · 14/01/2025 12:58

Waste services in many local authorities are usually crying out for staff on a casual basis.

It's well paid for what it is, but many young ones don't want to "get dirty" (PPE provided).

Our council regularly advertises for casual office cleaners 5-8pm shift. Would fit in well with sixth form or uni.

dottydodah · 14/01/2025 14:47

Hmmmwhy Jobs arent like they used to be.You need either experience or qualifications pref both! Young people are in a difficult position .When your DC are younger, it seems impossible that teens are not in work.When they are older it wont seem the same.