1.2 million 16-24 year olds currently out of work?

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just heard this on the telly, is this correct? Anyone any anecdotal data (your own children- mine are much younger) of why? I find that astounding imagine if these young people never work, terrifying

somebody who works in the construction industry has already been on this thread to say that isnt true so posters who keep parroting it wont make it true
And before we start on statistics again the ONS classed workFARE as being in employment.

To add to my previous post. I am currently entering up job costings and producing invoices. Almost all of the jobs our apprentices are on are making a loss. This is because we cannot bill the client for the apprentice's time unless it is a two man job. Most small works are not, the apprentice is simply there to observe and learn. We can absorb it on some larger contracts (but we can't send under 18's to most of these sites).

Minimum wage for apprentices is due to rise substantially. Many construction firms are not willing to take on this financial hit.

Well we’ve had mass immigration because Tory donors want their cheap slave workers, so you can hardly blame young people for that. 3/4’s of jobs have gone to foreign nationals. There was a push for mass migration as it benefits the ruling class.

www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/indians-and-nigerians-fill-more-jobs-in-britain-than-uk-nationals/ar-AA1oEPOi

Utterly baffled as to why 16 year olds are included in these statistics. DS is taking 4 A levels and doing DofE Gold. He doesn't have the time for a job.

My step-daughter has never worked and she’s 20. She’s got a baby now (who’s nearly 2) but it annoys me as I’ve always worked but she just wants something for nothing. She’s actually said she never plans to work 🤷‍♀️

I have a non-productive 23 year old, graduated last June, but not in employment, education or training.

Also not on benefits.

He has an element of social anxiety.

I know it needs dealing with but we have to tread carefully. This isn't sustainable, I know, but many of his ex uni mates are also unemployed.

If she is supported by the state, isn't there a requirement to work when the DC turns two?

As I understand it these figures are for those not in education, training or employment. So I don't think it would cover your highly accomplished and commendable ds.

Construction seems to be crying out for skilled people.
Not graduates straight out of uni or apprentices on the tools.

Nobody seems to want to look 2/3 years in front of themselves. Partly due to the nature of Construction people move as projects come to an end.

Trying to stop mass migration is a huge reason people voted to leave the EU. Trying to protect jobs for young people.

Care homes are crying out for staff.

Care work is not for someone who is desperate to work.

Care homes are full of workers just willing to do any job. And it will remain like that as long as the pay is so low

I don’t think they are included, if in education that is

My cousin is apparently unable to get a job because he hasn't got any 'experience' and there's 'too many' retirees in the job market now compared to when I was his age (10+ years ago)
I suspect the real reason is because he can't hold a conversation, can barely make eye contact, only comes out of his room for meals, spends most of his time gaming and the majority of his friends are online.
He has no social skills and speaks in a mumble so I can't believe he came across well in any interview, I doubt employers would be interested in taking a chance on him.
Not to mention his mum went into one of the places he'd applied to enquire about why he hadn't heard back about his application yet. Which seems deeply embarrassing to me.
I don't think he has any real motivation either though, his parents have always bought him anything he wanted, paid for any clubs or driving lessons he wanted. They intend to pay his way through university. He mostly gets money as presents for birthdays & Christmas anyway. Why would he bother making an effort to get a job in those circumstances?
I think a lot of parents are unwilling to let their children miss out on anything if they could technically afford to pay for it.

I do think there are factors making it more difficult for young people these days to get jobs as many people have already listed, the job market in general is more competitive not just at the starter level - but almost everyone in my social circle had a job at that age and the teenagers that I know now are just not mature enough to get a job.

Most young people go to university now so could in theory be out of work until around 23, especially if they had a gap year. Not so shocking really,
They won't get to retire until at least 70 so good for them for delaying the start of it

I am a bit older, started work full time at 16 and state pension at 67. So could end up working more years than younger people

Most young people don’t go to University though.

and those that do would not be counted in that number in the title covers those not in employment or education.

I did like you retirement age optimism though 😀 I fear in 40 years time it may have extended past 70.

A question for the Office for National Statistics. They do publish the methodology, although don’t seem to go into whether the long-standing 16-64 age range is still as wholly valid today. You could rightly question the upper age range as well. It does appear that it is just down to how the Labour Force Survey is structured.

@Needspaceforlego I was involved with University admissions, by the time I retired I just felt like I was lying to candidates on the stall. Many of them would make it and have a professional career but not all of them, it was not a vocational subject. You can’t go from around 15% to I think it’s about 35% of degree educated people over a 20 year period and expect a sudden uptick of vacancies at a professional level to meet that huge rise in numbers. Blair did a massive disservice to society. The unintended consequences of social engineering.

Surely the Major government also has some level of culpability @ViciousCurrentBun? You know the 1992 Further and Higher Education Act which saw a near doubling in the number of universities. Can’t really pin that one on Tony Blair given it was the 1997 election when he took power.

There are some 16 year old who nay fall into this statistic as they are not in education or training.

The truth is there are a lot of 16 year olds who leave school after their GCSEs, start college and then drop out. The travesty is the kids who probably need the most support are ejected from their secondary school at 16, put into college environments where there is often a lot less structure, or are only expected to be there a couple of days week, and when they fall through the cracks there also find it very hard to get work for all the reasons laid out already.
For the academic kids - yes they might face some of the same problems at 21, 22 when they finish university, but I think it's tough for the ones who are not seen as A level standard but also might not yet be ready or capable of something entirely vocational like studying plumbing. Education wise there is not much for them, employment wise now too.
We maybe haven't done well sending so many to university, at huge costs to themselves, but the alternative is not great either.

I would hope a lot of the 16-19 year olds are still in education of some kind! And many of the 16- early 20s will also be at uni, college, apprenticeships etc
I full intend my children to be in education until they’re 21/22 or at least that the pathway they’re on now with uni in the mix.
If it makes you feel better my 14 year old DOES have a job.

My 'gentle parenting' friends now have three adults in their house who do not work or contribute in any way.
All three of the young adults play on internet games all night but and sleep all day.

Ranging from 19-24.