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1.2 million 16-24 year olds currently out of work?

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Hmmmmwhy · 13/01/2025 21:45

just heard this on the telly, is this correct? Anyone any anecdotal data (your own children- mine are much younger) of why? I find that astounding imagine if these young people never work, terrifying

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notnowbernadette · 13/01/2025 21:46

Lots of that age group will be in education so they may not be in the job market

ColinOfficeTrolley · 13/01/2025 21:46

Well unless you're doing an apprenticeship or something you are in full time education until the age of 18 now.

Youcancallmeirrelevant · 13/01/2025 21:47

ColinOfficeTrolley · 13/01/2025 21:46

Well unless you're doing an apprenticeship or something you are in full time education until the age of 18 now.

Most kids I know get a part time job at 16

TempestTost · 13/01/2025 21:49

"Out of work" normally means they are trying to get jobs but can't.

It's not the same as being in school and not looking for a job.

It's very hard for teens to get jobs now, employers are very disincentivized from hiring them.

It's another way young people are now infantalized up into adulthood.

lavenderlou · 13/01/2025 21:49

I didn't see this but you wouldn't expect most 16 year olds to be in work anyway. However, I can see why my DC may not be able to work at that age. Currently 14, autistic and selective mute. Severe anxiety. Academically able but struggles to go to school. I don't see how she will ever get a job, especially as she can barely speak to anyone. The interview process for most jobs would be absolutely impossible for her. It makes me very fearful for the future.

Hmmmmwhy · 13/01/2025 21:50

Just seems crazy, me and all my friends had jobs from being 14-15 (pot washers etc) and then through uni (the ones who went) part time and the ones who didn’t all worked. Nobody didn’t work cos it wasn’t an option? Job seekers was a pittance and you’d have died of embarrassment . Working class area in north in 90’s/00’s

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CraftyOP · 13/01/2025 21:51

16-18 year olds are expected to be in full time education, training or work. If they didn't get into college they're unlikely to get a full time job so a lot of people in that number will be those children.

Hmmmmwhy · 13/01/2025 21:51

lavenderlou · 13/01/2025 21:49

I didn't see this but you wouldn't expect most 16 year olds to be in work anyway. However, I can see why my DC may not be able to work at that age. Currently 14, autistic and selective mute. Severe anxiety. Academically able but struggles to go to school. I don't see how she will ever get a job, especially as she can barely speak to anyone. The interview process for most jobs would be absolutely impossible for her. It makes me very fearful for the future.

Wow that must be tough is there anything you can do for her future now ie do you have savings for her? Or would she be eligible for housing etc? Sounds really hard for you all

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Hmmmmwhy · 13/01/2025 21:53

TempestTost · 13/01/2025 21:49

"Out of work" normally means they are trying to get jobs but can't.

It's not the same as being in school and not looking for a job.

It's very hard for teens to get jobs now, employers are very disincentivized from hiring them.

It's another way young people are now infantalized up into adulthood.

It’s true actually I see less and less younger people working in jobs such as retail / McDonald’s etc. why is this? It mostly around here seems to be older immigrant population having these jobs (inner London)
I do wonder if young people now because of social media and delusions on there think certain jobs are now below them ?

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JMSA · 13/01/2025 21:54

I work in a secondary school. I can tell you right now that many of the kids won't be cut out for the world of work Sad

shellyleppard · 13/01/2025 21:54

@Hmmmmwhy my son (18) spent a year trying to get a job/apprenticeship. Applied for over 60 different positions. Hardly heard anything back. He's now back at college doing a btec in engineering. Sometimes it's not for want of trying on the teenagers side,.....

MolluscMonday · 13/01/2025 21:55

There are two young adults in this age bracket in my extended family, neither of whom are working. They are both very vocal about how they shouldn’t have to interview for jobs, they should be able to interview employers! And neither will consider any sort of menial entry level job. Their parents are vaguely despairing but just keep paying the bills. It really worries me.

Hmmmmwhy · 13/01/2025 21:55

shellyleppard · 13/01/2025 21:54

@Hmmmmwhy my son (18) spent a year trying to get a job/apprenticeship. Applied for over 60 different positions. Hardly heard anything back. He's now back at college doing a btec in engineering. Sometimes it's not for want of trying on the teenagers side,.....

60?!! Wow. I guess we just used to walk in somewhere and ask, it was pretty easy. Never handed in a cv or anything. I had a job as a ‘Saturday girl’ in a hairdresser- £10 a day and I felt like the dog’s bollocks haha

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Hmmmmwhy · 13/01/2025 21:56

JMSA · 13/01/2025 21:54

I work in a secondary school. I can tell you right now that many of the kids won't be cut out for the world of work Sad

Wow really? What do you think is causing this? It terrifies me. My children are young but I do home educate for many reasons, including children’s behaviour now and things I want to keep my children away from (social media etc)

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FoxtonFoxton · 13/01/2025 21:57

I've got a 19 year old in full time retail work after two years of college. Took 4 months to find a job, LOTS of no replies to applications or no thanks (same with her group of friends). Luckily enjoys the job and is decent money for retail.
Also have a 17 year old in full time college. No part time job -he is autistic and it wouldn't be remotely achievable at the moment.

MartinCrieffsLemon · 13/01/2025 21:57

It's increasingly hard to find work under 18 for a start

And then you have higher retirement ages meaning people stay in jobs longer so there aren't the openings there. Or older people returning to minimum wage jobs to top up pensions so "taking" jobs like retail which would traditionally have been "first jobs" and getting priority because of experience.

There's the vicious circle of "need experience to work, need work to get experience"

I don't think it's because they don't want to work. More it's hard to find work.

They'll get there eventually.

Hmmmmwhy · 13/01/2025 21:58

I do think now that every single job you have to apply and for example register an account, fill out tonnes of data only to have to attach your CV as well is quite labour intensive and must be hard never hearing back etc. but I am guessing too a large figure of these young adults are also off due to mental health/ adhd etc. my worry is what if they just don’t work ever? What does t he country do if we don’t have youth coming in to the workforce?

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mdinbc · 13/01/2025 22:00

I also hear that retailers prefer immigrants and older people because they don't complain about schedules and have better attendance records. A friend owns a bar, and many young people want weekends off, or go off for trips with friends at short notice.

EffinMagicFairy · 13/01/2025 22:00

It’s really hard for 16 year olds to get jobs, there’s working time directives employers should be adhering to, it’s easier just to employ from age 18, then, if they apply online, they have to get thru the online application, and computer invariably says no! Both mine have got jobs once they’ve interviewed in person.

Createausername1970 · 13/01/2025 22:00

I also think that a lot of basic jobs have gone.

When I started work in 1980 - straight from school - I started as a filing clerk and worked my way up to a Girl Friday and then a Secretary. With all the technology now, most places don't need the same amount of admin support anymore. So a whole raft of "starter" jobs have gone.

OzCalling · 13/01/2025 22:00

DD is 20 and only got her first part time job last summer. Due to a mix of chronic pain, studying and in general there not being a huge amount of jobs out there. Every job description (no matter how hard or easy the job actually is) wants someone with experience - very hard to get started!

It’s a different world to the one I grew up in and finding part time/casual work is much harder

Tryingtokeepgoing · 13/01/2025 22:00

As (reported) total unemployment is only 1.5 million, which economically is effectively full employment, I don’t believe that 1.2 million As other have posted, an awful lot people in that age range will still be in education.

Youth Unemployment UK (whoever they are) have it at 13.9%, which is little lower than the EU average. They also say that of the 900k that are Not in Education, Employment or Training (NEETs) only 395k are unemployed. The rest are ‘economically inactive’. So the question is what are those 500k people doing!

Hmmmmwhy · 13/01/2025 22:01

FoxtonFoxton · 13/01/2025 21:57

I've got a 19 year old in full time retail work after two years of college. Took 4 months to find a job, LOTS of no replies to applications or no thanks (same with her group of friends). Luckily enjoys the job and is decent money for retail.
Also have a 17 year old in full time college. No part time job -he is autistic and it wouldn't be remotely achievable at the moment.

I’m glad she got a job in the end, I learned so much from my part time jobs in my youth - it’s invaluable in terms of social skills and just meeting people from all different walks of life

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Sinuhe · 13/01/2025 22:01

16-18 should be in full-time education
18- 21 many could be in uni or apprenticeship so say 50/50 for argument sake
That leaves 21-24 for being out of work plus 50% of 18-21 year olds. If we look at the numbers again, I bet it's massively reduced!

Hmmmmwhy · 13/01/2025 22:01

Tryingtokeepgoing · 13/01/2025 22:00

As (reported) total unemployment is only 1.5 million, which economically is effectively full employment, I don’t believe that 1.2 million As other have posted, an awful lot people in that age range will still be in education.

Youth Unemployment UK (whoever they are) have it at 13.9%, which is little lower than the EU average. They also say that of the 900k that are Not in Education, Employment or Training (NEETs) only 395k are unemployed. The rest are ‘economically inactive’. So the question is what are those 500k people doing!

I think they just be in out of work disability reasons. This seems a huge figure so what is driving that

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