Why do so many people criticise vegans?

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I'm a meat eater!

However, I don't understand why people criticise vegans so much.

They aren't hurting me and are trying to save animals and the environment.

What's wrong with that?

Surely people should be more critical of me because animals are killed for me to eat?

Who do you think will take care of pigs, sheep and cows if they don't make money and instead cost money?

The same people who already take care of animals.

That is nature? By that logic, we should ignore all the advances humanity has made over the last few hundred years from medicine to technology. We evolve.

So what else are you vegans doing to reduce your C02 output?

So you think farmers will spend money on cows upkeep that don't make money?
Or that rescue centre are going to replace farmers in their own homesteads?

I've not shoved my veganism at you nor said I am better than you. If you're on a debate thread about veganism what do you expect? People not to debate you?

If you choose to ignore the science, well that says everything about your own agenda.

And you choose to ignore / distrust largest scientific study of its kind carried out by Oxford Uni, the number 1 in the world. Okey dokey.

And with regards to "ignoring" parts of your post, I think if you find, most if not all your supposed points were addressed throughout the thread variously at different times during the debate including the soil health etc. Feel free to read back through the thread.

At a communal gathering or dinner party, would you expect a Hindu guest to eat a beef burger? Or a coeliac to eat wheat? Or a Jewish person to eat bacon? But vegans are fair game?

Sounds like the rudeness and intolerance is on your side.

They very specifically said "manage around that", so I would assume they meant that they wouldn't expect a Hindu to scoff a beef burger, but rather enjoy the other parts of the meal that was on offer.

Most people can usually find the majority of a meal can be consumed, and only have to leave certain parts.

I dont particularly care if you are vegan or not, unless you try to force your lifestyle on me. you eat your fod, i'll eat mine.
HOWEVER- do not start preaching on about it, do not start trying to justify you anti-doctors and anti-medication crap to me either. that is bullcrap, and quite frankly annoys me more that your diet

No, I'd cater to them and in my experience (extensive for Hindus and Jews - I even keep a set of kosher utensils - less so for coeliacs and Muslims) they happily accept.

The ones who don't are the vegans, simply because others are eating meat. We eat vegan several times a week - are doing tonight, for example - so it's not even as if it's in the 'too difficult' category. My oldest kid's best friends are vegan and we happily cater to them even though their parents tell us not to worry, but literally every other vegan I've offered hospitality to has militantly declined.

Apart, that is, from one who stood over me as I cooked and then declared it wasn't good enough anyway, a stunt which I know cost her a marriage proposal from her boyfriend of the time.

You obviously know some odd vegans @InveterateWineDrinker: they'd annoy me too. But to expect a vegan to eat meat so as not to offend the host? Come on now.

Having said that I don't see the point of consuming the majority of a meal and only leaving certain parts, as in @ForRealCat's example.
If there was an almighty cock up and I was served meat and it was a one-off and I knew the meat would be going in the bin, I'd try to eat it. I don't know if I could but I'd try. Not to not offend the host but to honour that animal. The worst thing you can do as far as I'm concerned with regards not eating meat is to waste it. It just feels like the final fuck you to an animal. To be fair it's never happened and I very hope it never will.

I’ll ask again can we co exist together?

@InveterateWineDrinker I see your point a bit better now, I didn't get it before. But I don't think this is typical vegan behaviour.

But if you are expecting vegans to eat meat then I think that is totally unreasonable.

I just found out that ethical veganism is a protected belief. wasn't aware of that before.

https://www.hrsolutions-uk.com/insights/ethical-veganism-is-a-protected-belief/

The ones who don't are some vegans @InveterateWineDrinker
Your oldest kid's best friends clearly accept.
But I'm sorry, you either know some very odd people or what you say is not true.

As for your last paragraph...😳

@redboxer321 Maybe it's a cultural thing. I'm from a European (Latin) culture but was born and brought up in the Far East and Africa. Offending one's host is really, well, offensive. Most who have been exposed to forrin cultures will understand that religious requirements may forbid someone from eating certain things.

But turning edible food down, in places where food has often not been plentiful, by choice is unfathomable to much of the world.

It seems almost pointless to point out that religious dietary restrictions are usually relaxed in situations where there is no alternative.

@Sevenwondersofthewoo certainly, but I am not allowed to respond to criticism that accuses me of "shoving veganism in your face" when you've come to debate on a vegan thread, and "thinking I am better than you" do you not expect debate back?

This is a debate thread.

The last paragraph illustrates perfectly why some vegans receive criticism.

I found your last paragraph pretty difficult to understand. At first, it seemed to imply that vegans should eat meat. But I assume that is not what you meant.

I had a batch of beef chilli in the slow cooker. In a separate pan on the hob, I was making a vegan chilli (BBC Good Food's burnt aubergine recipe, since nobody asked). She watched me prepare it from scratch while saying things like "was the aubergine cooked with meat," "are you sure the chocolate is vegan?" and "you've definitely cleaned the pan, and used separate utensils haven't you?"

She still refused to eat it, unable to provide a reason why.

Maybe I've just met odd vegans, but she was a grade A cow (pun intended.) Dawn, if you're reading this I hope you are still enjoying living with your batshit mother. The man you came to that party with is a millionaire now. The lady who took the ring bought for you loves my cooking.

I really hope you are a troll @InveterateWineDrinker

Ok now I get it, I agree that is weird and rude behaviour.

Sounds more like related to OCD or anxiety (or just being rude!) than veganism though. If it were me or any of the vegans I know, I would have been grateful and had no issue eating it, if it is any consolation.

and There is it you can’t just say yes you have to add on about this being a debate and we’ve debated and we’ve disagreed on a lot.

That wasn’t my question and you have shoved your agenda in my face and that could be said the same for me, but you have or it might of been someone else that said stay on the vegan diet and take a supplement. I have repeatedly said I can’t. My body is a weird one even for the medical professionals too.

Eww he gave the ring to another woman gah nooooo he should of bought another Ihe ffs

I don’t feel at all guilty for eating meat. I’m aware it’s cruel but such is nature and I’m absolutely fine with that. I’m also fine with people wearing fur 🤷‍♀️ so shoot me.

To answer the OP - this is why people get annoyed by vegans. They think they’re morally superior and so righteous but actually I’ve never met a vegan who wasn’t at least a bit of a twat.