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Why do so many people criticise vegans?

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trunch · 09/01/2025 16:45

I'm a meat eater!

However, I don't understand why people criticise vegans so much.

They aren't hurting me and are trying to save animals and the environment.

What's wrong with that?

Surely people should be more critical of me because animals are killed for me to eat?

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WhatALazyCat · 11/01/2025 21:42

TeaAndTattoos · 11/01/2025 21:41

I get that you have 2 brain cells fighting for 3rd place but that clearly says most of them not all of them but like I said if the shoe fits Cinderella.

Do you know most vegans? How many are you basing it on?

HereForTheAnimals · 11/01/2025 21:46

TeaAndTattoos · 11/01/2025 21:41

I get that you have 2 brain cells fighting for 3rd place but that clearly says most of them not all of them but like I said if the shoe fits Cinderella.

It's clear to see that the old adage that meat has allowed us to become smarter, also another cliche thrown at vegans, hasn't really worked well on you dear.

macaroniandcheeze · 11/01/2025 21:57

Mikiamo · 11/01/2025 19:12

I know many vegans. Only one uses tech, despite knowing it contains animal products. None of the others have phones, computers etc. A couple of them
live in a commune.

It absolutely is true that tech contains animal products, but vegans like to ignore that, because they enjoy using tech.

or because many of them don’t live in communes and need tech for their jobs?

It’s possible to try to change some elements of society whilst having to live in it, generally.

macaroniandcheeze · 11/01/2025 22:02

Wtafdidido · 11/01/2025 19:58

Because of their superior holier than though our way is best let’s ram it in your face attitude. Be vegan but do it quietly as no one else cares. We all make our choices. You don’t see meat eaters ramming their choice down everyone else’s throats

what?! Have you never watched TV adverts at Christmas? Carcasses everywhere!

Sevenwondersofthewoo · 11/01/2025 22:22

macaroniandcheeze · 11/01/2025 22:02

what?! Have you never watched TV adverts at Christmas? Carcasses everywhere!

Ads do the veggie and vegan options at Christmas too or did you miss them

roota · 11/01/2025 22:29

Sasskitty · 11/01/2025 21:41

😂 sorry (not sorry) for not reading the full dull thread. Are you vegan? (Rhetorical)

Don't worry, people making the same joke over and over thinking it's original and funny, as if vegans have never heard it, make it SO much more interesting. 😉

Pinkbonbon · 11/01/2025 22:42

Sevenwondersofthewoo · 11/01/2025 22:22

Ads do the veggie and vegan options at Christmas too or did you miss them

I think the point she was making that you seeing a carrot isn't going to make you feel ill. Unless you have some horrible traumatising carrot phobia. Where as seeing dead animals (which is how they can appear once you stop eating them and an aversion develops) on TV at Christmas...not particularly joyous.

HereForTheAnimals · 11/01/2025 22:42

@Sasskitty we've all heard this before, please be more original. I even have the cup 😉

Why do so many people criticise vegans?
Sasskitty · 11/01/2025 22:48

HereForTheAnimals · 11/01/2025 22:42

@Sasskitty we've all heard this before, please be more original. I even have the cup 😉

I never said I was original… still funny ..
ps. That mug looks too wide to keep a drink hot enough.

roota · 11/01/2025 22:57

here's one: how do you know if someone has a boring sense of humour? if they find out you're vegan and then claim their same old "jokes" about vegans are "hilarious". 😘

TempestTost · 11/01/2025 22:57

trunch · 09/01/2025 16:45

I'm a meat eater!

However, I don't understand why people criticise vegans so much.

They aren't hurting me and are trying to save animals and the environment.

What's wrong with that?

Surely people should be more critical of me because animals are killed for me to eat?

I think a lot of people find that even when they aren't being pushy about it, many vegans seem to have an air of moral superiority about their diet. A kind of - well, I recognize not everyone can eat this way, but of course we all know deep down you should...

Which most people don't actually think is a valid assessment or the vegan diet.

It rubs people the wrong way. The vegans that really don't feel that way get tarred by the same brush.

HereForTheAnimals · 11/01/2025 23:05

Sasskitty · 11/01/2025 22:48

I never said I was original… still funny ..
ps. That mug looks too wide to keep a drink hot enough.

It is quite funny yes, and I can take jokes and have a laugh as a vegan, just as when I ate animals. The only thing is is that we hear the same thing day in and day out, and it does get boring. We all know we are deficient in protein, calcium, iron and B12, we are that deficient that we are all actually dead, but we want to annoy omnivores so we are now ghosts pushing our superior morals onto all you meat eaters.

As a vegan, I've been to a thousand deserted Islands and have only had a pig as a friend - we remained friends and I didn't eat him/her.

I wasn't fast enough to chase down a deer, and so my canines were inadequate to do anything else, I couldn't catch it, nevermind rip it to bits with the canines I was born to kill with.

I do love animals though, and so do so many others and that means that I wake up every day knowing I'm not alone.

HereForTheAnimals · 11/01/2025 23:07

@Sasskitty I've never used it. It was a Christmas gift from my sister. I'm sure oat milk will make it stay hotter for longer though 🤣 - no evidence to back this up though

Sevenwondersofthewoo · 11/01/2025 23:09

“I recognise not everyone can eat this - but of course we all know deep down you should”

this with bells on as I’ve been told repeatedly that there is no medical reason to eat meat and I’ve refuted it. But they still come at me.

StripyShirt · 11/01/2025 23:12

We're seen as odd and different, and that always generates hostility from the masses. Same as when I was a punk and was often physically attacked for having coloured hair.

I've been vegan for years. I've never 'lectured' anyone and don't know anyone who has. I try to set a good example by keeping in good physical shape and having a good sense of humour. I will, however, explain why I'm vegan when the inevitable questions appear from meat eaters as to why and what. I generally start with saying "Ethical and environmental reasons", expanding if appropriate. Ethics are fairly subjective, so I rarely go far down that route, using objective facts about the environmental damage caused by meat and dairy instead.

People have odd ideas about us. The most prevalent seems to be that 'vegan food' is made thus by adding some weird 'vegan dust' to ordinary food (Look at the recent furore when the National Trust revealed that most of their fruit scones have been vegan for years 😃). Either that or we all live on avocado and fake steak. The fact that 90% of what most people eat is 'vegan food' seems to be overlooked; A recent study found that people would actively avoid food labelled 'vegan', while happily eating the same food labeled as 'healthy option.

People also love to try and 'catch us out' by trying to find some instance of us using animal products.

It has to be said, however, that veganism can attract the unhinged 😱

StripyShirt · 11/01/2025 23:18

TempestTost · 11/01/2025 22:57

I think a lot of people find that even when they aren't being pushy about it, many vegans seem to have an air of moral superiority about their diet. A kind of - well, I recognize not everyone can eat this way, but of course we all know deep down you should...

Which most people don't actually think is a valid assessment or the vegan diet.

It rubs people the wrong way. The vegans that really don't feel that way get tarred by the same brush.

Well, we are morally superior though, aren't we, by simple virtue of not subjecting living creatures to pain, fear, and death purely because they taste nice, damaging the environment in the process?

StripyShirt · 11/01/2025 23:23

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 11/01/2025 14:48

By existing we do harm, sp the logical thing to do is to work on minimising it. Not go 'fuck it, I'll just kill everything'

Hopefully, if you acknowledge that your existence is causing harm, you aren't having children. That would be hypocritical of you.

But what if one or more of those children found a way of doing something really beneficial to the world?

StripyShirt · 11/01/2025 23:26

JohnTheRevelator · 09/01/2025 17:15

Maybe it's because so many of them are very quick to start criticising meat eaters? Or because veganism is seen as being the 'in thing' at the moment,the latest 'woke' cause? Or because so many vegans don't waste a minute in announcing that they are a vegan,regardless of whether or not it has any bearing on the situation? Don't get me wrong,i totally get where they are coming from,as a near-vegetarian myself (I eat meat or fish probably once a week,if that). But I admit I could never commit to total vegetarianism let alone veganism as I like salmon,tuna and cheese too much!

How many vegans doing all of this have you personally come across in real life?

StripyShirt · 11/01/2025 23:32

BodysBroken · 09/01/2025 17:26

This.

All the time. Not to mention "where do you get your protein from?" and the evergreen "what would happen to all the poor cows if we stopped eating them?" .

It's endless. It's hardly ever the vegan that starts it, and we just want to eat our bl👀dy dinner without an inquest or comment about it.

StripyShirt · 11/01/2025 23:32

BodysBroken · 09/01/2025 17:26

This.

All the time. Not to mention "where do you get your protein from?" and the evergreen "what would happen to all the poor cows if we stopped eating them?" .

It's endless. It's hardly ever the vegan that starts it, and we just want to eat our bl👀dy dinner without an inquest or comment about it.

StripyShirt · 11/01/2025 23:35

HonorHaymaker · 09/01/2025 17:16

I think partly it's because they say things like it's easy to be vegan.

I was vegan for 4 years and spent a lot of time cooking everything from scratch (well pretty much everything- didn't make my own milk or tofu but did make my own cheese). It wasn't easy- in fact it took quite a lot of planning and preparation and occasionally I ate processed vegan options. I have since realised how v unhealthy they are.

Also I think many vegans think that because it works for them it works for everyone. I have a long term health condition and disability and just wasn't able to get enough protein. I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell me what I should have done but the fact is that I just couldn't consume enough pulses, nuts, tofu etc to get enough and my bloods (which I have regularly for my condition always showed low iron, haemoglobin etc). I was also developing muscle wastage (my Occupational therapist told me this).

I had to put my health first.

In general it really is easy, but nobody has to be a martyr - if everyone just consumed a bit less meat and dairy it would be a massive improvement.

HereForTheAnimals · 11/01/2025 23:36

I've faced more ridicule for being vegan than I did for being gay. Wtf is that all about? I'm not saying I haven't faced homophobia, but it pales into insignificance with the amount of jibes I've received about not wanting to continue to participate in the perpetual suffering of animals. Fancy that 😯

StripyShirt · 11/01/2025 23:39

theeyeofdoe · 09/01/2025 17:28

I have an issue with people quoting it as "healthy" when it's not. It is very, very difficult to get sufficient calcium and iron from a vegan diet and impossible to get B12, deficiencies in all these have major health implications. Vegan meat and dairy substitutes are also full of utter crap, again they're marketed as "healthy".
I have an issue with people feeding it to children, when they don't fully understand the implications for their growth.
We are omnivores.
I also know several farmers and their animals are not mistreated at all, some animals obviously are, but the videos banded about are so obviously full of bias. Lots of humans overseas are also mistreated in the types of intensive farming needed to produce sufficient avocados for example. Precious rainforest is lost to soya farming.

As with everything in life, we need to eat and drink things in moderation.

Something like 80% of soya is used as animal feed.

Avacados have absolutely nothing to do with being vegan.

Ever seen a happy animal in a slaughterhouse?

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 11/01/2025 23:43

But what if one or more of those children found a way of doing something really beneficial to the world?

Most likely they'll be yet another consumer in a Barratt box working in middle management, lets face it.

TempestTost · 11/01/2025 23:56

StripyShirt · 11/01/2025 23:18

Well, we are morally superior though, aren't we, by simple virtue of not subjecting living creatures to pain, fear, and death purely because they taste nice, damaging the environment in the process?

Yes, this is just what I mean.

The idea that veganism is better environmentally is bollocks. It's possible at a scale that can actually feed people only in an industrial farming, monoculture, petroleum based agricultural model, and that's why it comes out a bit better than that same model with animals. Which is to say - neither efficient nor sustainable.

The most sustainable and efficient agricultural models are always mixed farming models - because farm ecosystems, like natural ecosystems, have the most synergies and interactions when they include both plants and animals, and once you seriously try to reduce reliance on petroleum animal power of one kind or another becomes important on a farm.

Even in the odd historical pocket of veganism - and they are vanishingly rare - you will find there were not vegan farmers. Veganism in these scenarios was a privileged position that depended on other people getting their hands dirty. Because farming with only vegetation isn't efficient without oil based fertilizers.

So no - not everyone "knows" that not eating meat is better for the environment.

As for killing - all of us, whatever we eat, survive because of, and are in fact physically constituted by, dead organisms. All the ecosystems that sustain us are made up of both plants and animals, and are dependent on those existing in a cycle of life and death. Populations in nature are not some idealistic pastoral situation where every animal dies of old age, quite the contrary, it has always been usual for large parts of animal populations to die young. Which in general is not more awful than the few who live to old age and die of starvation, exposure, or an overload of parasites. Animal husbandry, when done properly, does not offer a worse life than nature for animal populations. (Not to get into the fact that farming monocultures of plants are really really terrible for animal populations of all kinds.)

I would submit that it is much better to understand our place in these systems, our dependence on other life, and respect it and look at it clearly, as opposed to trying to fool ourselves into thinking we can somehow exist outside of them so we don't need to feel our intimate, and in fact visceral, connection to other life in a way that feels uncomfortable.

So again, the whole "aw, you know you would be so much nicer if you just let those farm animals live out their life at the animal rescue, you just won't admit it cause you like the taste" isn't something I recognize, and I actually think it's shallow when it comes down to it.

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