Why do so many people criticise vegans?

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I'm a meat eater!

However, I don't understand why people criticise vegans so much.

They aren't hurting me and are trying to save animals and the environment.

What's wrong with that?

Surely people should be more critical of me because animals are killed for me to eat?

you Are a person on the internet giving out medical advice that I shall ignore as ii’ll go by my GP and consultant thanks. I was told to stop my vegan diet as it was making me ill what part of that didn’t you get mmmm

folks with heart failure you'll find that it had fuck all to do with their diets or they be other factors to consider in there other than diet

you are trying to convert and I said no I’ll continue as I am that’s not shoving

No I got that, I didn’t think that’s what you implied. I agree that they might work but no one wants to watch them!

You are misrepresenting what you are reading, no one is giving out medical advice just stating facts. What medical condition requires you to eat meat for instance? None, that is a fact.

My own doctor is plant based & has done plenty of research in this area themselves.

Besides being vegan is not about heath, environment etc although these things are greatly impacted.

Being Vegan simply means not seeing animals as resources, therefore not eating, wearing or otherwise using animals unnecessarily. Ethics.

Interesting, because to me it read as fearmongering, excuses, misinformation, horrific mis-diagnosis of eating disorders, and denial.

As soon as someone says they couldn’t eat a vegan diet because of UPF and “ingredients” I know they haven’t looked into it properly and their opinion is likely fairly basic. Ditto mentioning how much land is used to grow soya, when we all know it’s mostly fed to livestock for meat eaters to buy. The whole thing reads like a 30 year old outdated argument against veganism.

Well said. There were plenty of responses below that disagreed with what was said on the various points, and provided related evidence. A shame that the PP wasn't prepared to read them. It is blinkered to accept one side of a debate without finding out the opposite.

Eat what you fucking like.

I couldn’t give less of a shit what someone else puts into their mouth.

Being vegan was slowly killing me because of my body and my medical history. I was told it was a great diet to be on for my illnesses how wrong that was. Again I’ll go by my GP and consultant thanks they know me and my body

just because one doctor is eating a vegan diet makes it all ok I think not.

we all have our opinions leave me to my diet and I’ll leave you to yours

ps thank you to the vegans that have gave me a run down on their menus for them

@Sevenwondersofthewoo not just one. There’s a directory of Plant based health professional and it’s a growing movement. I only referred to my doctor because you made reference to your own.

The market is collapsing as people move on to new fads and the meat-free ranges at supermarkets have noticeably decreased.

Vegetarian so no skin in the game but I've known many vegans and not one has ever preached at me. Totally agree on vegan cheese being a bit naff but the stuff they put on McPlants (occasional guilty pleasure) is pretty darn good.

how do you know your doctors diet who imparted that information and why would there be a health professional directory isn’t that pushing their views onto others.

I don’t know mine I never asked not my business

I’ve only ever had one person try to preach at me about diet, and that was a vegan when she saw my 3 year old eating a ham sandwich.

Mo Farah would have been proud at the speed that I shut that down with a “yes, it’s a bloody sandwich, I have no desire to have a conversation about food, it’s boring.”

Fuck me, I have turned around my health, stopped two health isssies and lost 16stone with a particular way of eating which I will always now stick to. I haven’t told one person about it and I never will becuase who actually gives a shit? No one. And the people who do would find something to pick at and it just seems like an exhausting waste of time.

I have absolutely no interest in having conversations about what I eat, let alone about what someone else eats, which I am certain they would offer up, or they would disagree with what I do.

I thank fuck I’m coeliac as it gives me the best excuse ever not to eat around people or eat at other peoples houses.

This is exactly what I mean. Ableist.

There are many disabilities that mean someone can only survive if they consume animal products.

With regards to the "ableist" accusation, this is the official definition of veganism:

"Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment."

The key words being "as far as is possible and practicable". If vegans on this thread disagree with me I apologise in advance, but I honestly think few vegans would object to use of medically necessary food, products or medicine (for example) in cases where someone was likely to die or their health was to be seriously affected if there was, for example, a required medicine that contained an animal component that was 100% not available in vegan form nor a suitable vegan alternative available.

That said all vegans would of course support finding alternatives and research is always being done to find and develop vegan alternatives.

It’s in the public domain. Google plant based health professionals and peer reviewed nutrition and health research.

Telling people who have been told to cut their overall carb intake, to only eat carbs that have a low glycemic index and only in small portions that ''There is no medical condition that requires you to eat meat'' is the type of comment that leads to the title of the thread.

Why not just share the info you have instead of saying Google it, because your advice is is not what the NHS will tell them.

The point I was making is that theres NO way to humanely kill something. Let alone someone who doesn't want to die.

If I quickly knocked someone to the ground with an electric charge and slit their throat and they died in about 10 seconds...would that be humane? No, it wpuld be abhorant. As it is to any living thing.

The point is that even done right, it's not 'humane Because that's not possible.
But even if it were, you cannot humanely kill anything that doesn't wish to die anyway.

There are humane ways to slaughter, just not on an industrial scale.

Sanctimonious much?

I am vegan. I feel it's because we show them by example that it is easy and possible, and they therefore have no excuse for their choices to eat meat and dairy - people know we don't need it, they know it is cruel, and vegans' mere existence makes them feel guilty for not making the same choice.

It isn't. Its because of the critical attitude.

It is not "easy" to eat a vegan diet for a lot of people. I struggle to get enough iron & b vitamins and supplements disagree with me, I also find many vegan meals bland or carb heavy. I don't like spicy, peppery or salty food.

I like to eat a natural, omnivorous diet that humans have evolved to eat. I respect other people's choices to eat how they wish, but I don't feel remotely guilty about eating animals. We are apex predators and me eating high welfare, humanely slaughtered pork is no "crueller" than a lion ripping the head off a gazelle.

But being criticised is unpleasant and boring, as is being preached at, or bombarded with pictures of low welfare farming from other countries that wouldn't be legal in the uk anyway.

What are these "humane" ways to slaughter? IMO you can't have the two words in the same sentence, it is a fallacy.

But what single medical condition requires you must eat meat? It doesn’t exist. Some people may find it easier to get certain nutrients from meat, this is perfectly understandable as that is what they are accustomed to and what they know about. People don’t necessarily want to learn what nutrients are available in certain plants.

And regarding the post that said ‘’google it’, that was in response to a post asking how it was known a doctor was plant based. You need to google plant based health professionals for those plant based doctors that have joined the directory.

Farmers are just as conditioned as everyone else if not moreso because they have to make a living. They 'love' their animals but send them to slaughter.

I have every respect for many farmers. Those who treat their animals with kindness anyway. Though its worth noting that some practices can never be kind.

But many do not slaughter their animals. They are sent off to the abattoir. There is a detachment from what actually happens. Otherwise their job would be impossible to do.

Thats the point really, it's not that we don't care, it's that we've been conditioned not to look and to make endless excuses for an essentially, evil practice. We've been told out whole lives it is a necessary evil and recognise change would be hard and come with implications that we may struggle to overcome.

So we continue to allow evil.

Why is it on any discussion about Veganism some people get defensive and want to say how they can’t be vegan (for whatever reason) . Aren’t you happy that other people are willing and can be vegan so less cows, pigs, sheep, birds, fish etc are killed?

Why is it on any discussion about veganism some people get very sanctimonious about veganism being easy for everyone and the only ethical choice?

Why can’t everyone just let people get on with eating how they want?

Because some eating choices have Victims. Maybe that’s it.