accused a fake grooming scandal

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after watching this on ch 4 this silly silly girl got away with lying about such a crime and ruined peoples lives completely all over a social media post where is the justice for her genuine victims those poor men went through hell all over a lie n a social media post they rallied n did GoFundMe over a lie but cant really when the truth comes out

That does sound like a complicated case, and very unusual that the man was convicted and jailed.
I hope he’s managed to rebuild his life.

On the whole though I stand by what I said. I’ve known too many women and girls destroyed by rape and societal attitudes towards them. I lost a friend to suicide due to the gang rape she was subjected to and the justice system that more or less smacked the wrists of the men involved, who have all gone on to live their lives unaffected by their actions.

I signed up because I could not tolerate seeing a hugely respected women’s forum that has done so much for the world, fall ever more closer and closer to the cliff in regards to courting the far right.

Where are you getting that information from?

www.thelawpages.com/court-cases/Eleanor-Williams-36599-1.law#google_vignette

Total sentence: 8 years 6 months
Parole eligibility date: 12/2/2027

The BBC showed a similar documentary last year, I think.
I wonder why c4 are showing this now? The outrage over 1 liar when we should all be outraged over the thousands of children abused and tortured by the gangs ( no apologies for stating this- people need to know) leaves me quite lost for words.
I’d recommend Sammy Woodhouse’s powerful accounts of her experiences
Now there’s a brave woman

This graphic might be useful here.

Why Channel 4 decided we needed a TV programme about one of the extremely rare cases of false accusations, is a question.

The problem is the false equivalence.

On the one hand we have a quarter of a million children raped and tortured. They never got justice, the perpetrators largely escaped justice as did the enablers of the perpetrators. To this day.

On the other hand we have one girl who likely was abused but made false accusations about a couple of people.

That is bad. Let's give them equal air time and make a documentary about the false accusation and discuss about them as if they were comparable problems.

Planned distraction?

It is somewhat unfair to call these "Asian" rape gangs. They are predominantly Pakistani origin Muslims.
Sikhs/Hindus/other Asians are not involved in these crimes any more than white Christians are. There are Pakistani Christians who do not do these things.
It'd be fairer to point out it is not an Asian issue but a largely Pakistani Muslim issue.

I signed up because I could not tolerate people who think differently to me having a voice .

Fixed it for you.

Unfortunately I think it’s inevitable in many western societies now.

The actions of past and present authorities and governments have hugely contributed to the rise in popularity for people like Farage and Robinson. Lack of clarity, honesty and discussion has led us here. People now seem to have more faith in Tommy Robinson than their own prime minister - something they should be working hard to fix, but they still go down the same route of fudging information and calling people far right racists.

People who sign up very recently with no long posting history to post rather strange view points on topical and controversial issues are an interesting phenomenon. Not making any claims or pointing any fingers but we know lots of organisations/actors do actually keep their fingers on popular forums and pay people to make posts to try and influence public feeling.

Both are awful. These grooming gangs, the issue needs to be taken much more seriously than it has been taken and, despite the MN view, I am glad that Elon Musk is being so vocal about it.

I also think that this girl is abhorrent and should've been punished severely.

Absolutely this! I had the same thought when BBC came out with the documentary about the man who was abused by his girlfriend. He went on to do interviews to raise awareness of womens abuse towards men. Meanwhile a woman is killed by their abusive partner or ex every 5 days in the UK. For some reason this man's case deserved much more exposure than all of those women's cases put together. Why is it always poor men every time the relatively small number of them gets subjected to the horrific crimes women have been subjected to since the beginning of time.

It's a crying shame that the work by Maggie Oliver, Ann Cryer, Robbie Moore, Charlie Peters and countless others didn't get this kind of reach or impact that we've seen explode from the ramblings of Elon Musk. But I guess that's how things turn out.

How is that relevant to the question I asked you ?

Although based on your posts on other threads I’m starting to think that you are writing deliberately goady posts.

Just a heads up. Please put aside your prejudices and watch Anything Goes with James English on YouTube. A Scottish man who interviews Tommy Robinson and Mo Rammy. The title to watch is Falsely Accused by Eleanor Williams- Tommy Robinson Helps Muslim Mo Rammy Clear (his name). Despite all the mainstream media allegations against Tommy, Mo will tell you he was the only journalist seeking the truth. Mo agreed to meet with Tommy and, if you look at the interview at around 1 hour, these are both men who love their children and have been unjustly vilified by the mainstream media and unsubstantiated gossip because they want to tell the truth. They are both great friends today. Mo said, when Tommy came to town I had nothing to hide and he would be able to vindicate that. Tommy had evidence to question the claims and exonerated Mo. They are still good friends today. There's a hilarious video of what happens when, Tommy Robinson, a Muslim and a traveller meet in a pub. The banter is fab.

Could you provide information regarding this?

This. Perfectly said.

There's a big old fuss about men being falsely accused and the narrative is that it happens all the time... The reality is it absolutely doesn't (men are 230 times more likely to be raped by another man than falsely accused by a woman).

No one should ever lie and there should be consequences, but considering conviction rates for (actual) rapes are sitting at around 1% I can't get too worked up about demonising this girl.

Rather interesting that it's being spoken about whilst theres currently a big old cover up going on and people trying to change the narrative about torture and rape gangs that DID harm girls on a mass scale.

How many English child rapists will have a grandfather raping a 12 year old girl, then call his grandson who turns up in his school uniform to rape her too? Do you really think that if your husband, father, brother, son, cousin had a family WhatsApp to say we've got an 11, 12, 13 year old girl here for us? I don't know about your family but the men in mine would beat the shit out of them before handing them over to the police l.

TBH I'm just glad she was jailed; others who've engaged in this dreadful behaviour haven't been

It doesn't detract from the horror of the real rape victims - though I suspect it was intended to - because, quite simply, two things can be wrong at the same time

Btw, this is a sore topic for me. My lovely friend who was gang raped by 6 Muslim taxi drivers in Leeds committed suicide last year. And I've had one of the Rotherham survivors stay with me. I took her into a takeaway at the end of the night and she had a total meltdown.
What really gets me is that mumsnet is so full of middle class women who embrace diversity and don't understand that some cultures are better than others. They pretend it's because us working class are uneducated. I'm working class, live on an ex council estate. I have a BA in politics and history, an MA in adult education, a teaching certificate to produce courses for other further education tutors. My nearest neighbours have a criminology degree, the other was a biology teacher and became a radiographer.
We absolutely have family members from other races and religions, because the working classes are always the ones who do this. We are the ones who embrace and accept other cultures because they are placed amongst us. And in my town, we've seen car washes with secret rooms above them with mattresses for the monsters to gang rape children.
It's not politically correct, but the black and white residents know that the problem is Islam. We all have Muslim friends. But I remember in my ex workplace a young Muslim lad saying to his friend, The PK love the MB, which means the Pakistani's love the milk bottles (white girls).
Any mumsnet parents reading this. Everything is the truth. I don't have children and have no skin in the game. All I can ask is that you protect your daughters (and sons, if you look at the rapes of young boys in Ireland so that mothers now worry about their sons).
You can feel virtuous and anti-racist as much as you want (btw, Islam is not a race, but it's an ideology that says to follow Mohammed is to be be the best Muslim. He was a warlord who married his wife Aiysha when she was 6 years old and had sex with her when she was 8, and he was in his 50's.

Btw, that was a mistake. Aiysha was 9 when he raped her. It says in the sunnah's that she was playing with her dolls. Under Islam you can't have faces on dolls or pictures etc unless you are a child. So that 54 year old monster is being heralded as the ultimate person to follow. And he said that as a Muslim you can have up to four wife's but take as many as your right arms hold of non-Muslims as slaves, which means sexual slaves. And please read the court documents of the rape gangs. Whilst these children were being raped and tortured they were being called white c**ts, white slags, white whores, etc. And none of the perpetrators were ever convincted for hate crimes on top of their abuse.

You just have to look at France to see that things like this (not exactly like in your example though but still white european men) happens. Dominique Pelicot managed to find at least 80 men within a 30 mile radius to come and rape his unconscious wife. I don’t think any men in my family would do that either but all these men are family to someone.

But do you think that is an anomaly? It was so outrageous it shocked everyone. But the "grooming gangs" aka rape squads have been part of British society for decades. There's newspaper articles from the 1970's talking about 15 year old girls being used by these men. And don't forget the torture and blackmail they underwent. They were plied with drink and drugs, forcibly made into heroin addicts, filmed being gang raped and told if they went to the police their mothers and sisters would be raped too. And in Telford alone there has been 5 murders by these animals.
When a 12 year old girl who is being gang raped over the road from the main mosque in Oxford, after Friday prayers, and says she will go to the police, she had her tongue nailed to a kitchen table.
Please read the book "Easy Meat" by Peter McGlouglin and, as Elon Musk has done, read the court transcripts. Btw, unlike other court cases, the media was stopped from daily reporting. It meant that such testimonies wouldn't be given publicly every day. It was only on the last day that any testimony information could be reported. Which meant it had to be condensed and the public were never given the full extent of the horror's these children went through.

@BookyGilly The case is definitely an anomaly but the point I was trying to make was that within that small radius there were so many men who were willing to rape a woman. They are all around us all the time basically, we just don't know who would do it given the opportunity.

I think the documentary should hopefully get the public to at least be a bit more sceptical about some of the claims that are being thrown about on the likes of Elon Musk’s X now that this issue is in the spotlight. We really live in an age of disinformation, where people would sooner trust what some random bloke with 500,000 followers on social media says, over trusted veteran journalists who work at publications like The Guardian.