To think that if people really wanted Social Care change they would have voted Lib Dem?

[KitKatChunki]

Just a bit confused as to why the Tories in particular are ringing hands on this when they dismantled any systems there were and why suddenly the public seem to recognise it as an issue? There was a party who outlined the issues and many solutions that people seem to have completely ignored. It feels as though Libs (a the only party who put forward solutions in their manifesto) will now be relied upon by Labour to fix it with no credit. If people really thought it was a priority why did they vote for a party that didn't even mention this (and SEND) in their manifesto? AIBU in feeling that the public is now moving the goalposts on what it wants and didn't vote accordingly?

They can’t actually refuse discharge. They have no legal right to keep you against your will.

I personally won't touch them as a party after the debacle of the coalition government. I lack faith they are willing or able to follow through on any promises.

There will always be care homes for people with the money to pay for them.

But if you do self-discharge and then realise you need a state care home, you may not get one, certainly not as fast as if the hospital were arranging. If you stay in the hospital they can do full care plans which nursing homes would rather take on than someone who goes rogue and won't listen to the doctor's advice.

The point is, many elderly in hospitals didn't expect to be there, with whatever illness/injury they have. The lack of planning and joined up care has been having a knock on effect on the NHS for years and I was very surprised Labour didn't even mention it in the election while promising to magically fix NHS which should have been a priority to get the system moving again.

People are making the point that they will spend all of their money to avoid having to pay, while not voting for parties who want to keep social care alive.

They’ll just have to sit in their own shit then.

It does kind of filter down to everyone at some point but if I was happily living a different life than I know I wouldn't realise this and would probably put it to the back of my mind.

You're right about the social care issue but until someone is facing it or say starts having some health struggles that become ongoing and you are seeking help via the NHS then you will be quite frightened by what you will realise is happening. This goes for MH support based on what I have witnessed regularly and read on here.

If you don't have a child who has additional needs, even something like ADHD, then you won't realise what's happening atm and how it will impact all of us including your own children who may not have additional needs. At some point in the near future you might feel this impacting your kids lives as they are in a system with an exceptional number of kids with support needs who have no support and no place to go.

These issues are so important to me as I'm directly affected as above. Would LDems ever have a chance against the 2 main parties though. Getting Cons out for example may be a priority with the one precious vote.

Voted to get the tories out 🤷🏻‍♀️

Why do old people become so disagreeable and cantankerous? I am giving our DC as much money as possible now to buy a home while we have a chance of living another seven years because it's all earned and the tax has been paid. I shall still have a roof over my head and some income with which to keep the lights on. If the house has to be sold in 15 years to pay care costs, so be it.

Exactly this. My FIL likes to bang on that he’s paid his taxes for 50 years so he’s entitled now. For one it was not put aside in an account in his name ready for when he wanted it, it was spent at the time on other peoples’ care etc. For two, that’s just as well because would have paid tuppence ha’penny for many of those weeks and one hour of rural-location care at today’s prices would wipe out many years of his ‘stamp’.

At least you have thought about it!
Out of interest, have you told your kids that the house may need to be sold to pay for your care? I think many people expect inheritance if their parents own a home, so once they realise selling it is reality they may begin to give social care more consideration...I suspect most don't talk about it though.

@KitKatChunki DC saw one GP need a care home, and knows what it cost. The house was sold to pay for care. I don't think there are many illusions about getting old around here. But by giving money now, DC get a better start earlier.

It isn't just about free social care though, is it? It's about paying a fair wage to carers and family members who have to take on care roles and actually recognising it as a job that is needed and important.

Im afraid it is for us. Sorry. we have been planning for 30 years because we absolutely don’t want to be a burden on our family or the state.
We’re fortunate that we could.
Everyone who can afford to pay for their care in later life should.

Absolutely carers should be paid a decent living wage. That’s a separate issue, though.

You do realise they posters coming on and saying they would / wouldn't vote for a party over one, single issue, are different posters from those of us who said we don't vote on one single policy ?

How is it a seperate issue.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,when care workers cant afford to save for their old age because of the pittance they are on.

I think most people base their vote on more than a single issue, plus with our ridiculous first past the post electoral system, most people vote strategically based on who is standing in their constituency. Don't they?

You evidently have no idea what the cass report is about. Which is fine, no one can know everything, but you make yourself look an idiot with this comment.

They’re liars. Liars who given the chance sided with the Tories for a tee at bit of power. Fuck them.

The Tories put into motion the recommendations from the Cass Report, as a result we are conducting evidence based research into whether we should be carrying out gender reassignment surgeries and hormonal drugs to children and teens.

Not sure what the Lib Dems have to do with that; Tavistock is closed already and the Cass Report has been acknowledged. It's still a small area to focus a vote on compared to social care that everyone will need.

Lib dems want to ignore the cass report. In fact tear it up and throw it in the fire.

If you are happy that children have been mutilated and sterilised before the cass report then fine, but I want the cass report to stand, no trials of puberty blockers, no meddling with childrens endocrine systems, no lifelong patients made to make grown ass men with a fetish look better.

You do you.

Safeguarding, medical consent, gay rights and the sex based rights of 50% of the population are not 'a small area'. They are human rights issues, fundamental to a decent, safe, democratic society. Its why they are all enshrined in law and its disgraceful that the main political parties have been so easily persuaded to ignore them, and dismiss the concerns of people who object.