To think that if people really wanted Social Care change they would have voted Lib Dem?

[KitKatChunki]

Just a bit confused as to why the Tories in particular are ringing hands on this when they dismantled any systems there were and why suddenly the public seem to recognise it as an issue? There was a party who outlined the issues and many solutions that people seem to have completely ignored. It feels as though Libs (a the only party who put forward solutions in their manifesto) will now be relied upon by Labour to fix it with no credit. If people really thought it was a priority why did they vote for a party that didn't even mention this (and SEND) in their manifesto? AIBU in feeling that the public is now moving the goalposts on what it wants and didn't vote accordingly?

Men can’t be women and Lib Dem’s think they can. When I’m old and need careers I don’t want a man doing intimate washing of me I want a women if I need it.

Hopefully we can all pop off and shuffle off by then though if we want to, rather than wasting away in beds with a curtesy roll over.

I didn't vote LibDem (after many years of voting for them) because they wouldn't implement the Cass Review. I believe in evidence based health care for vulnerable people.

Just to be clear, it was Lib Dem peer Lynne Featherstone who said that feminists who believe in biological sex weren't welcome in the party as members or voters. So even if LDs wanted our vote, I'm afraid they made the rules.

I attended election hustings last year and saw the Lib Dems response to a question about Palestine/Israel. The Tory (military historian) and the Labour candidate (Jewish barrister) gave very complex, thoughtful and detailed answers reflecting on both sides. The Lib Dem (PHD in Play) said it made her sad and why couldn't everyone get on and be friends. This was in a synagogue and she was roundly booed. That is the intellectual level of the Lib Dems. Incompetent and ill suited to power and given their enthusiastic embrace of 'Aimee' Challenor and their track record on covering up CSA in the party, I can't even bring myself to call them 'nice' or well-intentioned.

Social care is a hornet's nest and Teresa May is the only one who's ever come close enough to being brave enough to tackle it in a manifesto and look what happened there.

I think they had the best policies and I voted for them. However we have an electoral system that gives them little chance of power. Plus people who are not facing social care issues generally do not care. Some on Mumsnet would rather their granny froze to death as long as our rules were anti-trans

I've always voted Labour but didn't this time. I voted Lib Dem. I'm truly afraid of where this country is heading.

Okay I'm going to bow out with a YABU because you apparently have the answers to every question you've asked and are right about everything and just need everyone else to come around to your better way of thinking. Which, in a nutshell, is kind of why these issues don't get solved in politics, on here or IRL.

Many if not most elderly people in care homes are not just elderly they are also ill, with Parkinsons, dementia, other things which aren't simply ageing. Everyone else gets support when they are ill.

We cover our costs for the rest of our lives - but have options which cost less than £140 a day.

It's not just "wealthy people". If you go into a care home and have more than £30.15 a week income, it will be taken for your care costs. Likewise you have to contribute if you have more than about £14,000 in savings and will have to pay the entire cost if you have more than £23,000.

does anyone remember a penny more on income tax, LibDem policy in 1992 or 1997? Voters rejected it. sigh.

I've voted LibDem since I started voting in UK.

The problem is, we don't all need it. So most people think money set aside for social care (whether through savings, tax, special levy) is money wasted. Talk to anyone in their 40s or 50s and they're likely to tell you "I'm never going inot a care home". So it's not surprising that the only people who care are those who have saved all their lives with the idea of helping their DC or GC, and are realising that their DC or GC, after funeral costs, will get nothing.

Exactly this. Also, I like to vote for politicians who know what a woman is.

I vote tactfully What a splendid predictive text substitution!

Ditto

People knew that social care needed reform back when the Winterbourne View scandal hit the news. It was so important that the government have continued to cut funding for social care year after year ever since.

If bad practice and abuse were slipping by under the radar then, how much worse do you think things are now?

As an example, I'm involved in a situation where a safeguarding concern was raised with the local authority about abuse and neglect of a vulnerable adult. In May. Followed up and followed up... Do you know when the local authority decided to investigate? Today.

Unfortunately, people with dementia or disabilities requiring full time care mostly aren't in a position to advocate for themselves and their carers are often overwhelmed.

It's fine to believe that wealthy people should pay for their own care when they get older. But there's also an expectation that those same people will just magically know what help is available and how to go about arranging it all for themselves, regardless of whether they have dementia.

If things are going to change, more people are going to have to speak up and help the people who aren't in a position to help themselves.

Because many of us look at party policies on all sorts of issues and have to find 'the best fit' for who to vote for. If we could vote by policy, then my vote would get spread across more than one party.

Also, because, sadly, we don't have proportional representation in the UK, so, for many people, their vote wouldn't count if it is unlikely that the Lib Dem candidate would get in, in their constituency. For some people in really tightly balanced areas, it is more important one party or another doesn't get in, than actually voting for someone who you think would be great, but you now in your heart of hearts won't get enough votes to be elected.

YABU. Many, many of us voted Labour to get the Tories out and keep Reform at bay.

Lib Dem as they stand at the moment just aren’t a party that can win the election. They’ve got a long way to go.

You do know, don’t you, that protecting the rights of women isn’t ’anti-trans’? If you don’t know what you’re talking about then don’t post such inflammatory and misogynistic tripe.

Trying to keep womens rights, not anti trans
Hth

It's very odd how the thread started with everyone saying "people don't vote on a single policy" even when everyone has to face the fact they'll need social care and it's now turned into "I didn't vote for them because of one thing" and even mentions of Cass Report which was implemented by Tories anyway!

I've worked hard all my life and saved. Other people have been bone idle and spent everything. Why should I be punished and have to pay?
I won't be paying, I'm determined not to.

I think this is taking a step further down the road of why we need to talk about it.

We have "bed blockers" in hospital, (causing huge issues with NHS care) with no care home spaces or social services to keep them in their houses. Let's start there before we debate if it should be free or not.

You’ll have to spend your money then. Why should younger taxpayers poorer than you pay for your care?

Regular support payments to adult children and grandchildren help deplete without being seen as hiding or deliberately loosing assets.

Let's just hope that there are some social care nursing homes still about by then then....or you might be stuck in a hospital catching everything going wishing you'd not given it all to little Edmund after all.

I’d rather be dead than left and incapable of wiping my own bottom or feeding my self.

I fully support assisted dying and will happily go for it. I also don’t want an actual funeral or wake so even less costs to my family.

We don’t let dogs or cats live in conditions we keep our elderly in it’s actually disrespectful. All this life at all costs. No thank you. Quality over quantity.

And if it's just that you're old and fallen and just broken a hip that means you can't live alone but you're just 70 and otherwise healthy? Sorry, not terminal, can't do legal euthanasia and now you've expressed that in a hospital we certainly can't let you home alone...