To think that if people really wanted Social Care change they would have voted Lib Dem?

[KitKatChunki]

Just a bit confused as to why the Tories in particular are ringing hands on this when they dismantled any systems there were and why suddenly the public seem to recognise it as an issue? There was a party who outlined the issues and many solutions that people seem to have completely ignored. It feels as though Libs (a the only party who put forward solutions in their manifesto) will now be relied upon by Labour to fix it with no credit. If people really thought it was a priority why did they vote for a party that didn't even mention this (and SEND) in their manifesto? AIBU in feeling that the public is now moving the goalposts on what it wants and didn't vote accordingly?

It’s easy to talk big when you’re the third or fourth party. Bottom line is improvement would be excruciatingly expensive. Those of us with dementia in the family know the reality, some politician making a sad face at us is fuck all use. We need the population to accept social care must be paid for.

That’s why I didn’t vote for Labour either! Had quite enough of MSPs in my country , from all parties complaining disregarding the safety, dignity and privacy of women & children for the sake of some delusional men in dresses.

Overall, the last election wasn't so much about voting for single policy issues as voting to ensure change. No party has ever offered the optimum set of policies. It always comes down to the best compromise/least worst, or tribalism.

YABVU. Did you miss all of the discussions before the elections? The only party that didn't offer self ID was Reform and you couldn't pay me to vote for them.

Well I did vote tactically. Only to get the Tory out and because the Lib Dem is a local person, who has a great interest in improving the area. Already made a mark in the HoC, so that’s good.

I don’t have an issue with paying for care if I need it which s almost a certainty as there’s a history of dementia in my family. If I pay I get a decent care home, not whatever social services deems appropriate. If the house has to be sold to pay for it the kids will just have to suck it up.

Can you explain how "they let Brexit happen" given they were no longer in coalition with the Tories after the 2015 election?

So was Cameron, but they still let it happen. No one affected by it is going to forget that in a hurry.

But the Tories, led by Cameron, were the only party in government when they decided to hold the Brexit vote. The Lib Dems were no longer part of the coalition after the 2015 general election. It was Cameron and the Tories who brought Brexit about. Absolutely nothing to do with the Lib Dems at all.

This is so true. Things I have heard; It should be free for all who need it, carers should be properly paid, 15 minute visits are useless, people should be treated as individuals and carers should stay as long as necessary.

All of which is lovely but massively expensive. With an increasing in age population too. So bill is only going up. You’d to have to increase taxes massively to fund it.

I don’t care how much they bang on about their bleeding hearts, any party that can’t stand by women won’t get a vote from me.

Surely changes to social care have been an absolutely massive issue across all main parties for years. It has been universally acknowledged that the system needs a radical overhaul.
If the Lib Dems included more specific proposals in their manifesto, that will only be because Labour were so cagey about making any detailed policies (and because the Lib Dems knew they were free to promise whatever they wanted without actually coming into govt and being held accountable for their promnises).

Labour have certainly given plenty of messaging for years about the need to tackle this issue. No one who followed the news could have been unaware, when they cast their vote, that social care reform would be on the agenda whichever govt came into power. I just don't believe that the public have 'suddenly' recognised it.

It's funny how some politicians know what a woman when it suits their purposes.

Reform it is for you then.

Let's not forget that the GRA was introduced under a Labour government in 2004 and then that the Tories wanted to make it easier (and remove the need for a medical diagnosis) in 2018, although that didn't come to pass in the end.

Look clearly you're mad keen on the Lib Dems and will defend them whatever. I've no real axe to grind, only replying as you asked and because I know several people - who previously had time for the Lib Dems, Nick Clegg etc - who will say that the Tories wouldn't have been able to form a government without Lib Dems in the coalition, which is their big crime because everything that came thereafter in the Tories many years of rule couldn't have happened without it. It was a pivotal moment - a different world before then and an increasingly shitter world since. Obviously that wasn't the only factor but the coalition and its legacy fucked the Lib Dems for many left-of-centre voters and it'll take more than some empty words on social care in a manifesto to wipe that memory. As several PPs say, their stance on self ID is a much more impactful single issue that very likely motivates more voters away from them than otherwise.

LibDems a massive turn-off for me because of their self-ID stance.

The only politician who tried to grasp this nettle in recent years was Theresa May, with what became popularly known as the "dementia tax", and it went down like a cup of sick with the public. There was actually a lot of sense in the proposals and it would have got my vote, on the basis that it gave certainty for estate planning and ensured that those most financially able contributed to their care.

Actually I'm not especially "mad keen" on the Lib Dems. I haven't voted for them in the last few general elections.

I don't like misinformation though. Brexit was 100% down to the Tories. It was an internal Tory issue that has created a national disaster.

It's not that easy though is it. Whilst we may love some policies of a party we might disagree with others and it's about weighing up what's most important/who's most likely to succeed.

Realistically I feel I can only vote Labour or cons as no other party will ever stand a chance of winning atm. I didn't vote for either of those parties last time but then I feel I've just wasted a vote?

Yes my daughter is disabled and will require social care and support the rest of her life, no matter what Lib Dem’s policy is on social care I wouldn’t vote them because my daughter requires female carers to help her with personal care. Not someone who was born male and self ID’s as female. No way.

I wish my DM would accept she needs care put in place
See the trouble is family carers cant win.

If we do the care (including personal care) people think (and have said so on these boards) that we are only doing it so we get the inheritance
If we dont do the hands on care and our parents use their savings and buy in care , us adult children are told its because we are lazy and cant be bothered!

Sure but the point being that if the LD's hadn't enabled the Tories to get power, they couldn't have done as they pleased. If you're going to keeping missing that point then I'm going to give up trying to make it. It still stands IRL regardless as a reason why some people don't vote LD. And as you don't vote for them either, this thread is strange. Presumably you don't really want social care change then, by your own definition.

They would have to recognise what a woman is first surely?

Couldn’t and wouldn’t vote for a party who think men are women. Their self id policy is utterly ridiculous.

Oh I know why it is seen as a soft issue (men like to think they can live forever, women don't want to do the looking after but feel churlish and rude not to/it's expected and so we do at no public cost).

The problem is everyone IS now discussing it, and demanding answers/solutions which seems unfair if you've told politicians for the election it isn't a big deal for you.

But the Tories would have got back into power at some point, with or without the Lib Dems. UKIP and calls for Brexit had been growing increasingly strong from the mid-1990s and was growing pressure from Tory backbenchers. The Brexit referendum was going to be an inevitability whenever the Tories got back in to power.

Of course it is a reason why some people don't vote LD. Doesn't make it a well though through reason on their part though. I haven't voted for them recently because I vote tactfully. And yes, I would like to see social care changes happening very soon. I'd rather not wait until 2026.

LibDems think men can be women. They can't.