To think BBC news is lost to us now - bloody Farage on this morning

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Why is he being platformed yet again to repeat the surely libellous and undoubtedly inflammatory language about KS and JP spouting from Elon Musk. Saying it's free speech?! Just irresponsible and vile. Even the way he refers to the PM as Starmer is just so rude and disrespectful.

I'm a massive supporter of the BBC and the licence fee but the news branch has clearly been infested with Tory supporters in high places and it's just not what it was now.

It's reputation and standing is being shredded😓.

Asking for fairness.... it would be wrong if we had nothing but Lab MPs on news channels.

Proportionality is being asked for plus robust questioning and exposure of his policies/blatant lies such as an insurance based NHS and 15% Corporation tax...

Why is he allowed to say the French model is cheaper than the NHS, when its not, its far more expensive and v admin heavy.

How would he fund a 15% CT rate?

This doesn't happen.

You sound nervous, OP.

BBC is full of socialists. It's why right wing Tories want to get rid of the licence fee. It's one of the wokest organisations in the UK.

The BBC is the left wing socialist news network. If BBC was fair and balanced there would be no market for GB News! Instead GB News is massively growing because of how left wing BBC News is.

I think it’s been established by Labour and the Conservatives that it doesn’t matter what policies you say you are going to implement, you just do what you want once in government. There hasn’t been nearly enough scrutiny of manifestos/policies/broken promises of the main parties for years. Why would they start with Nigel Farage?

You are using the same logic used by some men when they say they can't flirt/ buy flowers/ be nice to women now because the importance of consent is highlighted. It is a logical fallacy, and based broadly on the slippery slope principle.

I think anyone can see there is a vast difference between a controversial policy (removing the VAT exemption from Private School fees) and stoking the fires of racial tension by trying to falsely equate horrific crimes against girls and young women with increased immigration and the use of people smuggling gangs to bring people across the channel on small boats?

One leads to people lobbying their MPs, writing stern letters to the Times and Telegraph. The other leads to racially aggravated riots.

It's absolutely nothing like that. Two MPs have been murdered in recent years and his comments are grossly irresponsible.

Oliver Laurence , former police officer, director of public safety foundation, said we've gone from cohesive communities to complicit communities backed up by sw, police, and cps.

Reform actually had third highest in vote share in the election. If the election as held today no doubt that would be higher.

like him or loath him he is here to stay. And it seems people do like him and people vote for him and therefore should have representation.

I do agree you never seem to hear from the Lib Dem’s…

That wasn’t my point though, was it. I asked how and who differentiates. But thanks for the patronising reply 🤣🤣

100% this.

I never fail to shake my head at the keenness of many MNetters to suppress free speech and deplatform their political opponents.

Well what exactly was your point then?

They are clearly different, and of you say you understand that, why did you equate them if not to make a disingenuous point?

He said he doesn't want to line more lawyers pockets, who is going too be held accountable.

Senior leaders, gov ministers, are preventing offender's being arrested and convicted and it needs too be examined forensically.

He said in UK we struggle with the Idea that we protect our citizens first. In Australia when he worked for border force anyone who commited a crime was effectively removed and taken back to their country. He said we struggle with this in the UK hence have 3 ring leaders of abuse still walking the street's 9 years after having theirs citizenship removed

@Adamante after Brexit there was a clamour on here to remove the vote unless had a certain level of education

But it isn't falsely equating. You only have to look at who commits what crimes. The UK Government has stopped doing this (can't think why) but we can assume that it's similar to other European countries. The thing that stokes the fires is pretending that this stuff isn't a problem, refusing to deal with it, and covering it up. As we are now seeing all over Europe as well as here.

He wasn't in parliament though. He was on a TV channel speaking to the unwashed masses. I expect he uses the right words when in parliament. If you are going to berate one person for doing something then you should do what you are expecting others to do.

However I'm done with responding to you as I can see what you are trying to do and I really can't be bothered with your type of childish arguments.

Yes - it was very clear / hard on that, which was what I was alluding to with the “hard lessons” bit in the final paragraph. I did start talking about that too, but it’s complex and nuanced (not to mention upsetting to many social workers who work hard) so I decided I had banged on enough!

Sure, but I'm sure you can also use Google?

Speaking on Sunday shortly after rioters attempted to set fire to a building with asylum seekers inside, Starmer said: “Those who have participated in this violence will face the full force of the law.”

“The police will be making arrests … I guarantee you will regret taking part in this disorder,” he said. “All right-minded people should be condemning this sort of violence.”

August 4 2024, as reported: https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-british-pm-far-right-riot-race-keir-starmer-law-yvette-cooper-britain-mosques-muslim-violence-hate-southport/

However, the King did refer to them as 'racist thugs' - as seen here in the Mail: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13728937/King-Charles-tells-Prime-Minister-Keir-Starmer-encouraged-way-Britains-compassionate-community-spirit-countered-aggression-criminality-racist-thugs-rioted-Southport-stabbings.html

On September 8 2024, Keir Starmer was asked by the BBC for what he thought were the motivations for rioters. I presume this is what you are refering to? He said "There was racism there." To explain some of the motivations for those who took part. He is also quoted as saying he does not think the UK is a racist country.

Multiple sources: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13826441/Keir-Starmer-slams-racism-rioters-Southport-child-murders-snake-oil-far-right.html

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-tells-thugs-wont-33622641

https://x.com/BBCPolitics/status/1832693898742784385?t=NjVBjU1A-h_IoeGlv3JGfQ&s=19

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/starmer-says-worried-rise-far-084033158.html

He wasn't in parliament though. He was on a TV channel speaking to the unwashed masses.

Who do you mean when you refer to "unwashed masses"?

Farage is just busy eating what is left of the Conservative Party. If the BBC are daft enough to interview him without good questions (and he is very bad at answering those) then that’s on them.

Also Farage has a massive online presence which is arguably much more useful. The BBC is yesterday’s medium. He’s doing fine without it. Most of its viewers are older, and Reform already has the older (white) voter as their support model.

The other parties would do well to to consider Farage’s online presence and skills. That matters a lot more

They aren’t being neutral though. They are offering him a platform far in excess of how well his party did and ignoring parties that performed better.

That’s not neutral.

From the "unwashed masses" perhaps?

The classism on MN is immeasurable

Reform got 14.3% of the vote, the Lib Dems 12.2, and the Greens 6.7. A recent poll puts them almost neck and neck with the Tories and not that far behind Labour. They have more different stuff to say than the Lib Dems, who are close to labour, with a few fewer of the far-left crazies.
Farage is currently the bookie's favourite to be the next PM; this is skewed as nobody from Labour is a clear next leader, and Badenoch might not last that long as Tory leader. But any way you look at it, he is a hugely significant, consequential (Brexit would not have happened without him) and legitimate British politician, and not giving him air time would be biased. That said, I hope he is never our PM.

What are the "vile things" said by Elon Musk? I've missed them.

One test to use to judge these things is "what if you said it's ok if they ban guests for being black, but it's not the only venue so it's ok"

where on earth did i say that he shouldn’t be on the bbc?

YABU.
I didn’t vote for him, but millions did, so how can anyone say he should be more or less ignored?
There’s enough people out there who think he talks a lot of sense and like listening to him.

And arguing that other smaller parties aren’t given the air time Nigel Farage is given, well, quite honestly, I couldn’t even name the leader of the Green Party, or even the lib-dems.
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