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To think BBC news is lost to us now - bloody Farage on this morning

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pinotnow · 05/01/2025 09:28

Why is he being platformed yet again to repeat the surely libellous and undoubtedly inflammatory language about KS and JP spouting from Elon Musk. Saying it's free speech?! Just irresponsible and vile. Even the way he refers to the PM as Starmer is just so rude and disrespectful.

I'm a massive supporter of the BBC and the licence fee but the news branch has clearly been infested with Tory supporters in high places and it's just not what it was now.

It's reputation and standing is being shredded😓.

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ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 05/01/2025 09:44

Who is JP?

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 05/01/2025 09:44

Jess philips?

pinotnow · 05/01/2025 09:44

Godfreydahling · 05/01/2025 09:41

You are really saying that the BBC is "lost to us" because it's "infested with Tories" and platforms a political party you don't like? That's left wing intolerance for you.

No, because it's increasingly hard to see it as balanced, especially on certain shows and, to be honest, LK is one of the worst so I don't know why I'm surprised really. I'm not saying he shouldn't be on at all by the way. On reflection, maybe he should be on more. Would love to see Victoria Derbyshire interview him.

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ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 05/01/2025 09:45

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 05/01/2025 09:44

Jess philips?

Thanks!

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 05/01/2025 09:45

As far as i can see tories see the BBC as left wing and the left see it as right wing so it’s probably just about balanced 😀

Hedgerow2 · 05/01/2025 09:45

Even the way he refers to the PM as Starmer is just so rude and disrespectful.

And yet you refer to 'Farage'.

moderationincludingmoderation · 05/01/2025 09:45

I stopped listening to the BBC during the pandemic.

pinotnow · 05/01/2025 09:46

Sorry- JP is Jess Phillips and LK is Laura Kunnesberg (sp?).

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LandedGentTree · 05/01/2025 09:47

I'm confused as to how "Starmer" is disrespectful. Don't we say Thatcher, Churchill, Blair, etc?

By the way, the Green Party leader was on Christmas University Challenge this year and won it, so she has been platformed a few times over Christmas. 😀

Longtalljosie · 05/01/2025 09:47

He’s an extremely difficult man to interview (I have interviewed him myself, long ago) as if you push him too hard he starts whirling and becomes personal, he also throws almost-true facts at you. You can see him doing it in this interview - answers the question - throws in right wing talking point which is hard to unpack - swerves back to the question. Then he can pull out his talking point later for social media.

When I was a working journalist, politicians might put their own spin on the truth, but if you confronted them with a bald, hard fact, they would feel obligated to accept it, even if it was with a “yes, but”. These days it’s full-on 1984 DARVO - where Jess Phillips is painted as an apologist for domestic violence (for heavens sake).

That said, LK needed to be much tougher. It’s tricky as you will get further with him (including further scrutiny) by being polite, and he creates an interview binfire if you push him. But there is another factor, and that is the BBC’s reputation if they are seen to be too deferential to someone who is such a worrying influence on UK society (and I don’t just mean Brexit).

That said, he’s the head of a minor party in the Commons, and mates with two of the most powerful and worrying people in the world, so the media cannot ignore him and nor should they. They are also aware that for many years journalists agreed with the “don’t give them the oxygen of publicity” argument for the BNP and the BNP exploited that vacuum and then imploded once given proper scrutiny. I think that could be the wrong lesson though, as Trump has shown how to get around this sort of scrutiny, you just insist up is down.

Farage knows there’s nothing we could do in a national inquiry report which wasn’t done by Baroness Jay in her report. He knows that since the Jay recommendations weren’t implemented, it’s pointless going around the horn again (and hugely expensive). If people disagree, I would really suggest reading Baroness Jay’s report. It’s hard reading, and includes factors which aren’t getting as much attention as they should, such as children’s homes being built on cheaper land meaning kids in the cities are being removed miles away from their homes and becoming more vulnerable as they do not have their wider support network, but also quite a lot of hard lessons for those involved in social work in Rotherham at the time.

Wes Streeting did well, I thought. And it was certainly the case that LK intended Streeting should “reply” to Farage, and gave Alan Johnson a further opportunity to defend Jess Phillips. But that’s not much use when it’s the Farage interview which will make it onto right-wing social media.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 05/01/2025 09:48

pinotnow · 05/01/2025 09:44

No, because it's increasingly hard to see it as balanced, especially on certain shows and, to be honest, LK is one of the worst so I don't know why I'm surprised really. I'm not saying he shouldn't be on at all by the way. On reflection, maybe he should be on more. Would love to see Victoria Derbyshire interview him.

Absolutely.

He should be on more so people can see for themselves how useless he is.

Denying him a platform only adds to his popularity.

pinotnow · 05/01/2025 09:48

Hedgerow2 · 05/01/2025 09:45

Even the way he refers to the PM as Starmer is just so rude and disrespectful.

And yet you refer to 'Farage'.

Yes, he's not the PM and I'm not on the TV as a political rival. It's convention to refer to the PM as such. I've noticed several journalists not doing so and calling him Starmer, like Farage does, and I find it rude. Like the hideous Boris phenomenon in reverse.

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ThisUsernameIsNowTaken · 05/01/2025 09:49

I don't know why you're lumping together Farage and his ilk with the Tories, OP. The BBC puts on what sells. I got fed up with them banging on about "the snow" this weekend. We've had 0.5 inch here and it's melted already. It's all about milking headlines. I recommend reading the FT and international / European news outlets for a more balanced view.

CranfordScones · 05/01/2025 09:49

Outrageous that an elected member of parliament should be permitted to speak on the national broadcaster.

LastTrainsEast · 05/01/2025 09:49

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 05/01/2025 09:40

So, you want to censor what I and others can watch, read and hear?

you would have a point if there was only one news channel and they ran the only newpaper

I usually watch the news on a few channels as i think i get a slightly more rounded view…only slightly mind!

We've had venues banning women's groups just for being pro-women and saying "that's not cancelling as there are other venues" but before you know it there are none that will.

One test to use to judge these things is "what if you said it's ok if they ban guests for being black, but it's not the only venue so it's ok"

TheCrenchinglyMcQuaffenBrothers · 05/01/2025 09:50

pinotnow · 05/01/2025 09:38

I haven't said I want him cancelled. That's not a term or a process that's on my radar really. But he shouldn't get the airtime he does and other small parties should get broadly the same as he does.

The Green Party had less than half of the vote share that Reform had at the 24 GE. Why would they have the same airtime? Presumably current polling is now making that difference bigger.
Personally, I think Farage is appalling but sunlight isn’t always a bad thing.

EsmeSusanOgg · 05/01/2025 09:50

Errors · 05/01/2025 09:30

The BBC is supposed to be politically neutral (although I find that questionable at the best of times) that means giving air time to a range of different political figures… not just the ones you agree with.

It is supposed to have 'due impartiality' which means not giving equal weight to all voices just because there are multiple voices. For example is 99% of the scientific community says yes to vaccines. You do not give 50% airtime to the 1% who disagree (literal example used in BBC editorial training when I was in my early 20s).

Also, politicians needs to be scrutinised and challenged on their statements and policies.

For purdah, there were a whole range of complicated calculations saying how much airtime/ how many views could be shared by each political party. Outside that, it's a lot woollier since the BBC Trust was removed.

Ofcom also has rules for broadcasters (but these do not apply to print media).

EsmeSusanOgg · 05/01/2025 09:51

TheCrenchinglyMcQuaffenBrothers · 05/01/2025 09:50

The Green Party had less than half of the vote share that Reform had at the 24 GE. Why would they have the same airtime? Presumably current polling is now making that difference bigger.
Personally, I think Farage is appalling but sunlight isn’t always a bad thing.

BBC calculations are based on number of politicians - not vote share, as we are a first last the post system. Or at least, they used to be.

Superhansrantowindsor · 05/01/2025 09:52

Can’t stand the man but his part got a lot of votes so it’s right he is heard on the BBC. Let people listen to his drivel and decide for themselves.

maddening · 05/01/2025 09:52

Please provide some.analysis to support your view that it is unbalanced - one interview does not make it unbalanced - not giving him airtime would.

Also you point to a chance that his words could create violence and this smacks of the ridiculous non crime hate crap that is going on at the moment - people being imprisoned for tweets which do not pass a sensible test for "inciting violence" etc -.the thinking that tries.to criminalise opinions is fucking dangerous imo and more so that people expressing unsavoury opinions-.once you criminalise wrong think we are lost as a true democracy.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 05/01/2025 09:53

Maybe the Beeb is hoping that he’ll damn himself with his own words.

I dare say a good many Farage supporters prefer to get their news from other sources, though - the Beeb has traditionally been seen by many as riddled with lefties.

Happyinarcon · 05/01/2025 09:54

There’s always an agenda. The media decides who will get a platform and who will be ignored

Aaron95 · 05/01/2025 09:54

pinotnow · 05/01/2025 09:38

I haven't said I want him cancelled. That's not a term or a process that's on my radar really. But he shouldn't get the airtime he does and other small parties should get broadly the same as he does.

Reform UK got over 14% of the votes at the last election. That isore than the Lib Dems and the SNP. They are not a small party. They are the third most popular party in the UK.

1dayatatime · 05/01/2025 09:54

Godfreydahling · 05/01/2025 09:41

You are really saying that the BBC is "lost to us" because it's "infested with Tories" and platforms a political party you don't like? That's left wing intolerance for you.

I think this thread clearly demonstrates that the real risk of fascism and intolerance, the shutting down of opposition and freedom of speech comes from the left and not the right.

yorktown · 05/01/2025 09:54

LandedGentTree · 05/01/2025 09:47

I'm confused as to how "Starmer" is disrespectful. Don't we say Thatcher, Churchill, Blair, etc?

By the way, the Green Party leader was on Christmas University Challenge this year and won it, so she has been platformed a few times over Christmas. 😀

could have done with a spoiler alert there, I'm only on the semis.