To think BBC news is lost to us now - bloody Farage on this morning

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Why is he being platformed yet again to repeat the surely libellous and undoubtedly inflammatory language about KS and JP spouting from Elon Musk. Saying it's free speech?! Just irresponsible and vile. Even the way he refers to the PM as Starmer is just so rude and disrespectful.

I'm a massive supporter of the BBC and the licence fee but the news branch has clearly been infested with Tory supporters in high places and it's just not what it was now.

It's reputation and standing is being shredded😓.

@Ablondiebutagoody , I think she’s talking about the truth (that doesn’t suit her agenda).

If you are a Farage fan then you would say Musk has the right to be offensive

You appear to be suggesting that there is some dynamic link between the US and the UK such that anything the US does then the UK must follow

Given the diversity of our economies I don’t think it’s too likely

Why would any patriotic British person call their country weak and deride it?

Well ignore the huge, massive, glaring fact that US is the largest FDI investor in the UK.

I ask again, if we are such a strong democratic force, who is trying to or going to stop Musk?

I don’t see anyone doing anything about it, do you?

Where is the strong arm of law and strongman UK government taking action against Musk.

Probably cowering behind the sofa, and trembling with fear at the thought of Trumps’s tarrifs on UK trade.

Thats where.

But isn’t he free to comment?

I mean he’s just tweeted that Farage isn’t up to it

He is free to comment. Finally, we agree.

I don’t think I ever said he couldn’t

Not sure what you are saying. Not sure you do either.

@MurderousFrieda

"It all went too far left. Concerns were ignored, people started getting pissed off … now it’s going to swing too far right.

I actually blame the tories, if they had kept things more balanced this wouldn’t be happening (in the UK at least)"

As you point out this is a shift to the right across many countries so I'm not sure how much blame can be pinned on the Tories for this.

Although there is no shortage of shit that can be directly pinned on the Tories (Brexit, Covid response/ cost, Boris, Liz Truss etc)

I think this thread hasn't gone quite how you wanted it to op...has it?!

Quite agree. There must be people who think Farage - the missing MP for Clacton - is the presenter of Question Time.
But I think he is clever enough to know Musk's dangerous insanity will hurt the Reform party's image. Rat like cunning and all that. Musk doesn't need to get elected to be a mad king. He can falsely accuse an innocent diver - who rescued a class of Thai schoolboys from a horrible death - of paedophilia. What an evil POS. But Farage does need to be elected. Alas , the Beeb seem to have made it their mission to facilitate his progress.
Doesn't matter what you think of Jess Phillips or Starmer. Musk has no right to lie about people and put a target on their backs. Two MPs have already been murdered by psychos.

@Adamante

"We need to restore balance away from the far left to a more centrist position."

Ahh but everyone sees themselves as centrist whereas the opposing opinion might describe them as far left or far right.

Reform need a new leader according to Elon Musk 😆😆😆 I can agree with this

just shows that EM has absolutely no understanding of politics in the UK Reform is nothing without Nigel Farage

How quickly he will turn Trump needs to watch his back

Twas always the case on AUBU whenever the responses are not what the OP was expecting or wanting to hear they then just disappear.

Yabu.

He and the Reform party are allegedly becoming popular with young voters. The current shitshow and the previous shitshow need to work out why the electorate are so sick of them and the lack of ambition in this country that the young disillusioned are turning to Farage and Reform.

Like lifting up a rock and seeing something very unpleasant.

Who was in charge when the grooming gangs were busted, Who commissioned the enquiry and received the report which was done? Who didn't implement the recommendations? Oh yes, it was the Tories. Obviously Farage would have done even less, with his few 5 MPs, and given how little he's done in Clacton.

Those rules apply to MPs when speaking in Parliament. They are required to address the Speaker and refer to the honourable or right honourable member for wherever.

I think it is fair to say though that there are certainly MPs in the Labour with deeply unpleasant views towards the grooming victims:

metro.co.uk/2017/08/23/mp-shares-tweet-saying-abuse-victims-should-shut-their-mouths-for-good-of-diversity-6872181/amp/

@marmaladeandpeanutbutter

"Who was in charge when the grooming gangs were busted, Who commissioned the enquiry and received the report which was done? Who didn't implement the recommendations? Oh yes, it was the Tories. "

I don't understand your point.

Are you saying that the Tories are to blame because it was on their watch that these grooming gangs were busted.

Or are you saying that Labour are to blame for failing to bust these grooming gangs whilst the offences were actually happening under their watch.

Or are you saying well done to the Tories for actually prosecuting these grooming gangs when Labour failed to do so when they were in charge?

Well this is the big problem isn’t it? That said in my opinion, fwiw, fairly mainstream opinions/concerns around for example migration, gender etc are those which have been steadily & manipulatively pushed over into Far Right territory to the point that they cannot be expressed or mildly questioned without character assassination & often great personal cost. Though admittedly this is beginning to shift, much to the horror of left leaning types as evidenced by many posters on this thread.

Matthew Syed in the Sunday Times takes the view that Right and Left are now meaningless terms of politics today. He was writing about the rape gangs thus,

And all this took place in plain sight, in no small part because of the capture of our institutions by the virus of ultraprogressivism, the fear that to investigate these crimes might “undermine community cohesion” or — worst of all — appear racist. Ann Cryer, the Labour MP who sounded warnings as early as 2003, was turned on so viciously that police installed an alarm in her home, a pattern of intimidation that applied to Andrew Norfolk of The Times and Charlie Peters of GB News, now leading the investigative crusade.

And I agree with him about what he calls ultra progressivism, and ultra liberalism. It has left us, as a society/community completely unable to even discuss difficult issues, let alone solve them. Banning Farage is not going to I prove that situation any time soon

It's not the BBC trying to be balanced, it's OFCOM regulations.

Typo! No idea how I managed to type 'vas' instead of 'dav' , looked up Vaizey and thought 'who the fuck are you?'.

Vanessa Feltz on LBC yesterday made the same mistake. She was in no way prepared for all the Reform support.

News flash on BBC: Farage is no longer right wing enough for Musk! Farage goes on TV defending Musk and Musk boots him! What's going on?
www.bbc.com/news/articles/c70ep8lp4jjo