Elon Musk and Racism

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Inspired by the other long running thread. I keep reading that he tweets and retweets racist comments. Can anyone link any or all of them please? I see tweets over illegal immigration, as opposed to immigration, but not racist?

So instead of opinions please can people post the actual words used or retweeted? Or anything he said in interviews, word for word?

Thanks!

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@MonkeyVsBunny

On the off chance you will actually read the evidence, here is a link. https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2020/dec/analysis-new-home-office-report-admits-grooming-gangs-are-not-muslim-problem

Let us know when you are ready to concede the point, eh?

https://bridge.georgetown.edu/research/factsheet-tommy-robinson/

For sure that will be the motivation of some but that takes some effort to overlook the fact he was almost unanimously popular with the general public until he really ramped up his efforts to be the most popular kid in the dining room. I’d pinpoint him calling an expert diver trying to rescue trapped children a pedophile in a tantrum as the start of his demise.

he has actively sought to place himself front and centre, it’s completely on him as an individual if he can’t reconcile not having everyone gaze at his majesty in wonder.

Expert divers can be paedophiles.

Well he can certainly afford to pay to have his views supported across the Internet.

They can. This one wasn’t and Musk had no reason for believing he was. it was just a tantrum because they didn’t use his design to rescue the children.

I think that in relation to most of your post, it comes down to how you have read what Elon Musk wrote - I interpreted his comments as being about DEI in principle, and nothing else. And I agree with him about DEI (I don't agree with him about everything but I do agree with him about DEI) - and this takes me to your final paragraph - I don't agree with what you have said - i agree that there must be equality and I agree that equality must be enforced, but I think the parallel you make about neighbours is patronising and not helpful and I think that the intents of DEI quota may be good but in reality it just does not achieve what it sets out to achieve.

And the problem with comments online, Mumsnet, anywhere, is that people can misinterpret - and sometimes people can misinterpret intentionally which is what could be happening here sometimes. Tweets especially, and re-tweets, are often so short, so brief, they can very easily be misinterpreted. It is worth bearing that in mind, and making sure you are 100 percent sure before you proclaim absolute judgements about what others are thinking or intending?

Not sure why you said "calm down" ...but anyway, basically, your more recent post is more moderate and reasonable - you initially said "He is using his wealth as the owner of X to destabilise our democracy, he enjoys stoking the fire as part of his agenda, not so much in the US, but the UK definitely…I think it’s scary & sad some people actually believe he cares about victims of grooming" whereas your more recent post said that he had a high profile and responsibility comes with that

I agree that high profile posters should ideally be careful. Though sometimes the responsibility is to not be careful, to speak out about difficult subjects, to use the high profile to good use - though not everyone will agree on what should and shouldn't be said about difficult subjects... I am speaking in general terms not about specifics though

His mother was raised in South Africa and has triple nationality including South African, she could have been raised with less racially tolerant views than some people have and have influenced him.

@RafaistheKingofClay

And I’m not sure it benefits the government either given the way he’s painted himself as some sort of wronged figure head.

I think Elon is promoting the idea of TR being badly treated & he seems to be anti Labour. Poor Jess Phillips is getting blamed for something that she wasn't involved in. Elon is interfering in UK politics & I do think he is getting obsessed.

I always wondered how political propaganda could have led to WW2 & now it's happening via X & TikTok & I can see people being influenced.

It looks like Farage is distancing himself from TR so who knows what happen in the next few weeks.

As I said upthread I'm not a TR fan but I am interested in what he has said about the gangs & how he has been accused of making things up. Owen Jones was on X/Twitter couple of years ago claiming the girls must have made it up & so that's doing the rounds now. But it’s been cut short & so comes across differently from how he intended.

x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/1875477118559383572?s=46

he seems to be anti Labour

Labour said that they were thinking about getting him arrested if he set foot in the UK for allowing 'hate speech' on X, so he has good cause to be interested in Labour's Tactics of silencing people. It is a response not an attack.

I said calm down as your response seemed a little exasperated due to the four exclamation marks and being told I think he is manipulating small brains - when I didn’t say that.

I do agree that someone with a high profile should use it for good use, and that not everyone will agree with what should & shouldn’t be said. Hence the varied responses on this thread.

That’s not how it works in print and TV media, and it shouldn’t work like this on social media.

When a news channel crosses the line, they’re brought back in line by Ofcom.

Or do you think there should be no integrity and standards?

The UK has precedent for not allowing those who promote hate speech into the country.

Why should Musk be exempt if he repeatedly crosses the line?

@AlisonDonut

Elon's getting a bit out of control now with his anti-Labour commentary

Starmer was complicit in the RAPE OF BRITAIN when he was head of Crown Prosecution for 6 years.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1875150194909823085?s=46

I have given numerous examples of Musk amplifying explicitly racist views and supporting explicitly racist activists. If all he opposed were DEI in principle, he would amplify anti-DEI voices who don’t base their arguments on lies about Black people’s intelligence and educational achievements. He would also not retweet misleading information about Black crime rates, lies about voter fraud, or lies about illegal immigration. There are plenty of ways to have an honest conversation about DEI, but repeating racist lies is not one of them.

Either he believes the lies about minority groups, in which case his views are racist, or he doesn’t believe them but enjoys stoking racist sentiment in others, in which case his actions are racist.

I also appreciate it when people use terms like “woke mind virus” because it is a convenient way to announce themselves as fools that other adults shouldn’t take seriously.

I think he very much is in control. It's just he is writing things you don't like.

You guys really need to understand you don't control the world. People are free to type what they want specially in the USA. It is hitting a nerve and bringing engagement to his platform and you lot fall for it and rage post time and time again.

Sounds like many of you would drop to your knees and give the likes of EM and TR a blow job. Seriously, what is it with the hero worship of a couple of gob shites?

He's known for lashing out in any way he sees fit. Really, after Musk called the man who helped the children trapped in a cave a pedo because they didn't wait for his theoretical device, I can only think people are blinded by his money to think he has any integrity.

It’s funny as I have a mixed race family.

And? Many people come from mixed families that include racially abusive family members.

TR is problematic, but why? I have yet to see anything in public that would make him enemy number 1 and force him in prison: give me a list of his so called crimes

Tommy Robinson is the stage name for Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, who has many convictions to that name from fraudulently using and potentially obtaining passport to his contempt of court.

The worst of those to me was when he was outside a courthouse shouting about a case that was being tried in that court house - they were already in court, so he wasn't bringing anyone to justice as he tries to claim, he was spreading rumours that could have impacted the jury, which could have resulted in the perpetrators going free for Yaxley-Lenon's ego trip.

He's only pretending he's bringing people to justice when they're already charged, endangering and disregarding the very processes we use to do that. He has stood in court and said he understands how those actions are illegal and, more importantly, place trials and communities in danger.

Whatever 'truth about the communities' he discusses, it's only a twisted version to support his interests that takes away from actual people working on the issues. He milks his devotees money for tours that he knows he can't go on and has arguable intentionally done acts to go to prison to appear to his followers as a political prisoner and act like there is some conspiracy rather than he keeps committing crimes and each one will be considered an aggravating factor that likely increases the sentence for the next one - and he has to know that, it's spelled out clear as day in any court case how that works so as often as he has been in court, he will have been told those things time and again.

And yet…
it’s really it’s here and it really really is damaging and killing our kids.

you might not like it but- there it is.

its quite laughable that you think that’s how the world works.