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To think Afghanistan is the worst place to be born female.

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Adisgracetotheforcesofevil · 01/01/2025 16:01

Taliban bans windows to stop women from being seen at home | The Independent

Just when you think they is no other way for the Taliban to persecute women, they come up with this madness. What next?

Taliban bans windows to stop women from being seen at home

Buildings should not have windows looking into places where women could be sitting or standing, Taliban leader orders

https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/south-asia/taliban-afghanistan-ban-windows-women-b2672332.html

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iwishihadaname · 01/01/2025 16:08

they have done everything they did last time in power so I’m not surprised however still heartbreaking for the women and girls

TheKeatingFive · 01/01/2025 16:10

Absolutely horrific, agreed. With other Middle Eastern countries not too far behind them.

TheKeatingFive · 01/01/2025 16:21

Sorry, should have clarified ... some other Middle Eastern countries

sesquipedalian · 01/01/2025 16:38

What on earth are these control-freak men so frightened of? Sadly, “Afghanistan ranks worst of 177 countries in terms of the status of women, according to this year’s (2023) Women, Peace and Security Index.” giwps.georgetown.edu/the-index/

Katemax82 · 07/01/2025 18:32

It's like they don't want women to exist

Whatafustercluck · 07/01/2025 18:35

Horrific. I wept when the Taliban were handed back control and had a nightmare that I was at Kabul airport trying desperately to get out. It honestly makes my blood boil. How fucking dare they treat women like this?!

LuckyPeonies · 07/01/2025 18:36

What next, dungeons when not needed for breeding, cooking, or cleaning ?? 😡

MummytoE · 07/01/2025 18:37

It's horrendous, wish there was someone we could do to help which I know is ridiculous but it's horrible feeling so helpless

TheKeatingFive · 07/01/2025 18:37

Katemax82 · 07/01/2025 18:32

It's like they don't want women to exist

Well they do want them to exist, for the sex. But they want complete control over them.

LondonLawyer · 07/01/2025 18:37

I agree Afghanistan is probably the worst at the moment - but there is very stiff competition for the award.

theeyeofdoe · 07/01/2025 18:43

TheKeatingFive · 07/01/2025 18:37

Well they do want them to exist, for the sex. But they want complete control over them.

I think young boys are often used for that. Women are just for breeding.

they are utterly vile people (The Taliban)

connie26 · 07/01/2025 18:48

I think about those poor women often. I think if I was a woman there, I wouldn't want to live. The level of insanity of these men is off the scale.

TheHazelCritic · 07/01/2025 18:53

Not great, but better no window than being bombed raped and seeing ur family murdered in the total indifference.
I saw a quote that said that Muslim women matter only when you want to uncover them,and i fully agree.

Lalgarh · 07/01/2025 18:53

Eh?

iwishihadaname · 07/01/2025 18:57

Thee icc should allow the Afghan women’s team play. Taliban don’t approve of cricket so won’t care about the ban.

user1471453601 · 07/01/2025 19:02

@sesquipedalian massive apology. I clicked on the "react" icon meaning to post a heart, and pressed the laugh emoji instead 😱

TheCrenchinglyMcQuaffenBrothers · 07/01/2025 19:22

Yep. Afghanistan definitely tops the list, and has done for some time, I imagine. South Sudan and Sudan, DRC, Pakistan and India I'd have thought are right up there near the top. Maybe some other African countries like Somalia and Sierra Leone too. Would have said Syria too but let's see if the recent regime change makes any difference. I have no hope that it will.

Fizbosshoes · 07/01/2025 20:59

TheCrenchinglyMcQuaffenBrothers · 07/01/2025 19:22

Yep. Afghanistan definitely tops the list, and has done for some time, I imagine. South Sudan and Sudan, DRC, Pakistan and India I'd have thought are right up there near the top. Maybe some other African countries like Somalia and Sierra Leone too. Would have said Syria too but let's see if the recent regime change makes any difference. I have no hope that it will.

I'd add Iran to the list as well

I cannot compute how the men who create these laws are happy or willing to see their mothers, sisters, wives and daughters denied so many basic freedoms. It's horrendous.

Adisgracetotheforcesofevil · 08/01/2025 10:42

Fizbosshoes · 07/01/2025 20:59

I'd add Iran to the list as well

I cannot compute how the men who create these laws are happy or willing to see their mothers, sisters, wives and daughters denied so many basic freedoms. It's horrendous.

I don't think they view women as humans. I've seen quite a few videos of fanatical clerics saying women are no better than goats. Imagine receiving that message as a small girl, constantly being told you are inferior.

Women "don't deserve to drive because they only have a quarter of a brain".
Women only have half a brain to begin with but when they go out shopping they "end up with only a quarter" claimed Sheikh Saad Al-Hijri.

Imagine being a little boy and your only experience of women is seeing your mother covered head to toe, not allowed to leave the house, being a servant to your abusive father, getting beaten if she doesn't obey, having a baby every year. The socialisation they receive and how that changes their psychology is practically irreversible and so the never ending cycle of abuse continues.

But how can it be broken without foreign intervention and is it our responsibility to do so? We all knew women would suffer when the Taliban took control.

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themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 08/01/2025 10:50

This is appalling. And a warning to UK women how misogynistic men in this country are too. Women in Afghanistan have no human rights. None.

Wanting 'coordinated action' is a piss poor excuse, someone with morals has to be the first. I think some nations have boycotted already too.

Where is the game in February, is it in the UK? I'd be up for some media grabbing disruption in protest. A line of Angry women chanting 'Afghan women need human rights' and 'shame on the ecb' should do it.

TheGoogleMum · 08/01/2025 10:55

The treatment of women in Afghanistan is absolutely terrifying. It's basically Gilead.

caramac04 · 08/01/2025 11:05

@Adisgracetotheforcesofevil has hit the nail on the head. The cycle of abuse will continue because it is the only example children see.
It really is horrific that women live in such abusive conditions, my dogs have a far far better life and I do put humans above dogs.
I wish I knew if a solution but my only offering is to educate the boys but the men are closed minds and refuse any other viewpoint being taught/considered.
Mens lives would be enhanced by women being treated equally but they cannot consider that because their foundations will become sand under their feet.
I always remember that scene in East is East when the husband had battered his wife. He cried but I felt he was conflicted in that if he admitted to himself that he was wrong then his whole life would crumble and he was too weak to face up to the fact that his way of living was completely wrong and his wife was much stronger and a much better person than he.

Hankunamatata · 08/01/2025 11:11

I saw news recently that they have removed women from training as doctors. But women are not allowed to be seen by make doctors. So women will live in pain and die as they can't get medical help

Lalgarh · 08/01/2025 11:18

TheGoogleMum · 08/01/2025 10:55

The treatment of women in Afghanistan is absolutely terrifying. It's basically Gilead.

I tried googling Margaret Atwood Afghanistan and it came up with a note that she went travelling there in the 70s and was 'inspired' by the sight of the Niquab covering.

She actually bought a f*cking Chador herself

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/nov/17/afghanistan.weekend7

She's mentioned asking for women to be included in the 2019 peace talks. But she prefers to doom monger about the regression in the US and do that snarky smile thing, what with the US being so much worse than Afghanistan

Taking the veil

When Margaret Atwood wrote The Handmaid's Tale, it was a fiction drawn in part from fact: her conflicting feelings about the purple chador she bought on holiday in Afghanistan.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/nov/17/afghanistan.weekend7