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To cut my mum out of my life?

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Lastofthesummerwine · 31/12/2024 09:15

I’ll try to keep this short but for quick background - my domineering mother has always preferred my toxic brother to me. My brother is 58, has rarely worked, faked illnesses to claim benefits most of his life and lived with my parents until my dad got a restraining order and got him thrown out of the house after he attacked my dad putting him in hospital. Even so, my Mother always took my brothers side. He has a previous history of violence towards his ex wives and anti social behaviour towards the police but in my mother’s eyes he could do no wrong. You get the picture….

I’ve always been close to my dad who was a good, kind man but have tried to avoid my mother and brother as much as possible as they always made me feel terrible anxiety. My brother is a horrible narcissistic bully, and when my dad was dying from cancer, dad told me that my brother had been in the house and refused to open a bottle of water for him (this was a week before dad died so he was really weak) and snarled at dad to open his own bottle of water with his teeth! Dad told me this in tears on the phone.

I live 4 hours away but used to travel up once a week to visit my dad when I knew my brother wouldn’t be there and would spend time doing as much as possible for my dad while my mother would sit there glued to the tv barely acknowledging me or my dad (the norm).

Fast forward 2 months ago, dad died.

Mum and brother took over the funeral arrangements and totally excluded me. I was supposed to be doing the order of service. A week before the funeral she phoned me and started ranting at me (because I mentioned to her that I wanted to be a pall bearer and carry dads coffin) She told me she would be taking over organising the order of service and she didn’t want me to carry my dads coffin “because women aren’t allowed and anyway I’m not having you dropping your fathers coffin!” Wtaf?

I put the phone down in shock and tears.

Turned up early on the morning of the funeral with my partner (we’ve been together for 1 year and and he’s wonderful. Dad loved him and gave him his blessing for our future together before he died, mum has barely acknowledged his existence). Spoke to the vicar, she said the song I wanted playing for dad for his funeral had not been included, nor had there been a provision for my eulogy. My mother and brother did not want to say any words for my dad which says it all really.

The vicar was lovely and changed everything around so my song was played and I read my eulogy. She said my mum and brother had refused to send her photos of my dad for the Order of Service and she’d never known anything like it. I think deep down she could see the truth.

When dad’s coffin was lowered in to the ground I cried because it had been raining the night before and his grave was waterlogged and it really upset me to see his coffin being lowered into muddy water. My bitch of a mother stood at the graveside cracking jokes to the vicar about how my dad enjoyed swimming and at least he could have a good swim down there now. The vicar looked horrified and I was so angry I couldn’t speak.

At the wake my brothers adult children (from his 3 different broken marriages) all came and sat with me and my partner and cried because my mum had snubbed them when they went to hug her and offer condolences. One of them had said to my mum in shock “Nanny, I’m your grand daughter, don’t you know who I am?” And my mum spat back “I know exactly who you are!” And turned her back on her!

My brother who was a deadbeat dad and husband has never acknowledged his children or paid maintenance and my mum has shunned all his wives and children too because they are the problem, not the common denominator - her precious son.

Dad’s funeral was the week before Christmas and I’ve not heard a word from her since, even though I sent her a Christmas card and presents.

I believe my brother has moved back in to the house with my mum and is now waiting for her to die (she’s 84) so he can basically live in the house rent free (that my dad paid for) when she dies.

The only connection I have to my mum are my two adult children (30 and 35) who adore her (she is only spiteful to me when they’re out of earshot and I’ve never said anything to them because I didn’t want to sour their relationship with their nan), they also saw and heard some of the awful things she said to my dad when he was still alive, but they were so shocking I think they thought she was joking.

I don’t have anything of my dad left and I would like just one of his jumpers and one of his paintings to remember him by, but I don’t feel comfortable going back to the house anymore.

My mothers brother died on Christmas Eve but he lives in Canada (but neither him nor the rest of her family have spoken to her for years) but she’s playing the distraught grieving widow card around my children and garnering their sympathy. We have no other family in this country.

I’m so upset and grief stricken over the loss of my dad and my adult kids keep saying “have you spoken to nanny since the funeral?” I don’t want to burden them with the truth while they’re still grieving the death of their beloved granddad but my partner said I should sit down with them in a couple of months and tell them everything.

My mothers health is really poor and I doubt she’ll still be here for more than another year or so but age and poor health have no bearing on the fact that she’s never loved me or cared about me for my whole life. It’s hard to explain the scars that leaves in a person, even as an adult (I’m 59) but I’m so conflicted. The thought of even talking to her fills me with a knot of dread. It sounds hard but I know I won’t shed a single tear over her when she passes, however I feel duty bound to reach out to her even though I really don’t want to.

AIBU to cut my mother out of my life?

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maddening · 31/12/2024 09:21

I would stay in touch so she doesn't cut you out of the will - and ensure that the house is sold and divided rather than let the arse of a brother get his mitts on it - but I am pretty petty - after a lifetime of it I would suck.up 12 months of pretending just to keep the brother from taking everything of your father's.

Boomer55 · 31/12/2024 09:27

Oh sounds awful.🌺

I’d try to kerp contact, of some sort, until the end. Although, obviously, her Will could consist of anything. She could have left everything to your brother.

Perhaps also try, in some way, to keep contact with your nieces.

But, first of all, allow yourself to grieve for your Dad,

Best wishes. 🌺

Lastofthesummerwine · 31/12/2024 09:27

My dad died without making a will so everything passed to my mum.l have a feeling she’s left everything to my brother anyway. She announced before my dad died that she’d made a will and my brother is the executor. So why would he have access to the will and not me? Why would you even do that? She also stole the deeds to the house from my fathers private papers and illegally cashed a pension in if his 30 years ago by fitting his signature. The woman is a total witch!

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Lastofthesummerwine · 31/12/2024 09:29

Boomer55 · 31/12/2024 09:27

Oh sounds awful.🌺

I’d try to kerp contact, of some sort, until the end. Although, obviously, her Will could consist of anything. She could have left everything to your brother.

Perhaps also try, in some way, to keep contact with your nieces.

But, first of all, allow yourself to grieve for your Dad,

Best wishes. 🌺

Thank you. It’s a pretty devastating time without having to deal with all this crap 💔

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ChristmasGrinch24 · 31/12/2024 09:31

I'd cut her out immediately. What a witch.

Lastofthesummerwine · 31/12/2024 09:31

maddening · 31/12/2024 09:21

I would stay in touch so she doesn't cut you out of the will - and ensure that the house is sold and divided rather than let the arse of a brother get his mitts on it - but I am pretty petty - after a lifetime of it I would suck.up 12 months of pretending just to keep the brother from taking everything of your father's.

My dad died without making a will so everything passed to my mum. I’m have a feeling he’s already co-erced her into leaving everything to him. He has done everything possible to drive a wedge between us and she has lapped it all up. I think he’s playing the long game. Didn’t give a shit about my dad.

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ThisMellowCat · 31/12/2024 09:36

It’s difficult for you but if visit with the grandchildren and get them to do the probing over the will and you may find everything is stuck in probate if dad didn’t do a will. Stick around if only to prove at contesting the will that you were present although it was a strained relationship because I’m sure your dad wouldn’t want you to go without.
your mum just might have let your brother do what he does because of his behaviour, I know what that situation is like, and she may well not be able to stand upto him. Stick with it for the foreseeable only visit when the grandkids do.

Eyesopenwideawake · 31/12/2024 09:41

Can your children ask for the keepsakes, saying that they are for themselves? She's more likely to pass them over and they can then give them to you.

Lastofthesummerwine · 31/12/2024 10:33

ThisMellowCat · 31/12/2024 09:36

It’s difficult for you but if visit with the grandchildren and get them to do the probing over the will and you may find everything is stuck in probate if dad didn’t do a will. Stick around if only to prove at contesting the will that you were present although it was a strained relationship because I’m sure your dad wouldn’t want you to go without.
your mum just might have let your brother do what he does because of his behaviour, I know what that situation is like, and she may well not be able to stand upto him. Stick with it for the foreseeable only visit when the grandkids do.

Yes that’s a good idea- she is definitely different when they’re there. Good advice 🙏🏼

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Lastofthesummerwine · 31/12/2024 10:37

Eyesopenwideawake · 31/12/2024 09:41

Can your children ask for the keepsakes, saying that they are for themselves? She's more likely to pass them over and they can then give them to you.

Yes I think that’s what will happen although I know my brother has already cashed in my dads bitcoin and started stripping out his expensive cameras etc “to pay for the funeral” I know that’s a lie because dad told me mum had taken out a life insurance policy on him and was going to use THAT to pay for the funeral. She has denied that and called my dad a liar. It’s an impossibly toxic situation. My brother is just this vile gloating, bullying vulture who is controlling everything and literally taking everything he can get his grubby hands on right from under everyone’s nose. I dint want anything but it still sickens me.

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BeNavyCrab · 31/12/2024 10:38

My heart aches for you, what a horrible situation to deal with, while grieving the loss of your Dad. I would try to reduce contact with your Mum but not cut her out entirely.

I know that it's premature and a bit tasteless to think about inheritance but you need to guard yourself. You need to know what is happening regarding the estate when your Mum does die. If you think that your brother isn't fulfilling the role of executor faithfully, you can contest it.

Rainbowdottie · 31/12/2024 10:40

In answer to the actual "should I cut my mum out of my life" the short answer in my opinion is no. You're all grieving at the moment, all in your own way. I'd get through that phase first before I made any decisions.

Lastofthesummerwine · 31/12/2024 10:42

ThisMellowCat · 31/12/2024 09:36

It’s difficult for you but if visit with the grandchildren and get them to do the probing over the will and you may find everything is stuck in probate if dad didn’t do a will. Stick around if only to prove at contesting the will that you were present although it was a strained relationship because I’m sure your dad wouldn’t want you to go without.
your mum just might have let your brother do what he does because of his behaviour, I know what that situation is like, and she may well not be able to stand upto him. Stick with it for the foreseeable only visit when the grandkids do.

She is his enabler. Always has been. Got in to debt to buy him not one but THREE sports cars so the unemployed twat could cruise around in the summer with the roof down on the daily drive over to mum and dads to take money, cigarettes and food parcels not to mention their prescription painkillers, while I worked two jobs to keep a roof over my head. It’s so dysfunctional it’s painful to explain to anyone on the outside unless you’ve experienced something similar.

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sandrapinchedmysandwich · 31/12/2024 10:42

Oh op. I am so sorry. This is heartbreaking for you and your dad who sounds like he was a lovely man. I hope you get the jumper and painting so you have something of his to treasure. Your mum sounds absolutely horrendous but is sadly unlikely to change now at her age.

Lastofthesummerwine · 31/12/2024 10:43

BeNavyCrab · 31/12/2024 10:38

My heart aches for you, what a horrible situation to deal with, while grieving the loss of your Dad. I would try to reduce contact with your Mum but not cut her out entirely.

I know that it's premature and a bit tasteless to think about inheritance but you need to guard yourself. You need to know what is happening regarding the estate when your Mum does die. If you think that your brother isn't fulfilling the role of executor faithfully, you can contest it.

Thank you x
its very hard to think clearly and I wasn’t thinking in terms of any wills, more about salvaging my sanity

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Lastofthesummerwine · 31/12/2024 10:53

sandrapinchedmysandwich · 31/12/2024 10:42

Oh op. I am so sorry. This is heartbreaking for you and your dad who sounds like he was a lovely man. I hope you get the jumper and painting so you have something of his to treasure. Your mum sounds absolutely horrendous but is sadly unlikely to change now at her age.

That’s exactly it. She has been like this her whole life. The more I did for her and tried to make her happy when I was growing up the more she rejected me and fawned over my brother who’s always been a useless entitled POS. When my dad got the restraining order against my brother (who broke his ribs and knocked a tooth out in an unprovoked attack) my mother threatened to stop her chemotherapy sessions if dad didn’t drop charges against my brother. She literally was prepared to die rather than see him go to prison. It’s why I moved so far away. My brother and mother are not right in the head! It used to make me feel so stressed and anxious being anywhere near them.

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BeNavyCrab · 31/12/2024 11:10

Lastofthesummerwine · 31/12/2024 10:53

That’s exactly it. She has been like this her whole life. The more I did for her and tried to make her happy when I was growing up the more she rejected me and fawned over my brother who’s always been a useless entitled POS. When my dad got the restraining order against my brother (who broke his ribs and knocked a tooth out in an unprovoked attack) my mother threatened to stop her chemotherapy sessions if dad didn’t drop charges against my brother. She literally was prepared to die rather than see him go to prison. It’s why I moved so far away. My brother and mother are not right in the head! It used to make me feel so stressed and anxious being anywhere near them.

Oh dear the more you tell us about your Mum and Brother the worse they sound. There's some very weird dynamics there. To be willing to potentially die to stop the person who you made vows to make a valid police report and get justice, is extreme. Your poor Dad, stolen from, beaten up, emotional blackmail and made to feel lesser than his son. I would feel like you do too!

TotallyAddictedToCoffee · 31/12/2024 11:20

@Lastofthesummerwine I'm so sorry you're going through this, it must be so difficult

One thing I would suggest, if you want something to remember your lovely Dad by, could your kids take something form the house? Would your mum let them?

Lastofthesummerwine · 31/12/2024 11:25

TotallyAddictedToCoffee · 31/12/2024 11:20

@Lastofthesummerwine I'm so sorry you're going through this, it must be so difficult

One thing I would suggest, if you want something to remember your lovely Dad by, could your kids take something form the house? Would your mum let them?

Yes I think she would. Just not right now x

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Tel12 · 31/12/2024 11:30

It's odd that your children who are in their 30s are totally unaware of your mother's attitude towards you. Equally your dad made no provision for you in his will. Why would he do that?

Lastofthesummerwine · 31/12/2024 11:35

BeNavyCrab · 31/12/2024 11:10

Oh dear the more you tell us about your Mum and Brother the worse they sound. There's some very weird dynamics there. To be willing to potentially die to stop the person who you made vows to make a valid police report and get justice, is extreme. Your poor Dad, stolen from, beaten up, emotional blackmail and made to feel lesser than his son. I would feel like you do too!

It is very traumatic. The only thing I could think when I saw my dad in the Chapel Of Rest was at least no one can hurt him now. There has been a lifetime of emotional and physical abuse against my poor dad and no wider family to lean on or confide in. It’s so f**ked up honestly. On the plus side I have a fantastic daughter, son and daughter-in-law (who loves me more than her own mum), a beautiful grandchild of 10 months old, and a wonderful partner who dotes on me. I am trying to focus on the good things in my life rather than the toxic. I feel emotionally good without my mother and brother - neither of who have friends or much of a life outside of each other. They seem to spend most of their days sat together spitting bile and wallowing in their joint bitterness. Now that my dad (who was made a target for their cruelty) has finally gone I doubt they’ll find much happiness in the future.

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Lastofthesummerwine · 31/12/2024 11:48

Tel12 · 31/12/2024 11:30

It's odd that your children who are in their 30s are totally unaware of your mother's attitude towards you. Equally your dad made no provision for you in his will. Why would he do that?

My children have frequently seen my mother’s behaviour towards me, though not some of the extreme things she did. It’s just tooooo much to post all the details on here in their entirety. Dad made a will when he was dying - he wanted to cut my brother out and leave the house to me. When he spoke to the solicitor the solicitor told him that even if he left the house to me it would go to my mum first as his wife. Dad then revised his will to allow my mum to stay in the house until she died and it would then pass to me. The will was signed and dated by two independent witnesses but dad died before he could post it. I am now left with a copy of the signed but unposted will. My mum would definitely cut me out of her will (if she hasn’t already done so) if she knew my dad’s wishes. Maybe it’s better just to keep quiet and see what she does in her will when she goes as she’ll show her true colours. I need legal advice but I’m grieving as it’s only been a couple of weeks since I buried my dad and this post was never about a will. It was about whether I should cut my mum out of my life for my sanity and peace of mind.

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Ydkiml · 31/12/2024 11:53

Firstly , I think you should sit your adult children down and explain to them what has actually been going on throughout your life . It’s about time they get the truth about what she has done and what’s she is really like . Your mother has been manipulating them all their life too . Then it’s upto them what they want to do about it . Same for your brother , they have a right to know . None of this is your fault . Moving away , you had no choice. Your dad choose to stay with her so his well-being at the time was not your responsibility so pleased don’t beat yourself up over your dad . I doubt she has left you or your children anything in her will . I personally would hold my head up high and wash your hands of her and your brother . I wouldnt even go to her funeral . If I did , I’d celebrate in your mind that the bitch is dead .

BeNavyCrab · 31/12/2024 11:54

Lastofthesummerwine · 31/12/2024 11:35

It is very traumatic. The only thing I could think when I saw my dad in the Chapel Of Rest was at least no one can hurt him now. There has been a lifetime of emotional and physical abuse against my poor dad and no wider family to lean on or confide in. It’s so f**ked up honestly. On the plus side I have a fantastic daughter, son and daughter-in-law (who loves me more than her own mum), a beautiful grandchild of 10 months old, and a wonderful partner who dotes on me. I am trying to focus on the good things in my life rather than the toxic. I feel emotionally good without my mother and brother - neither of who have friends or much of a life outside of each other. They seem to spend most of their days sat together spitting bile and wallowing in their joint bitterness. Now that my dad (who was made a target for their cruelty) has finally gone I doubt they’ll find much happiness in the future.

Reaping what you sow comes to mind and I think that you are doing the right thing to limit contact with them to a minimum. Let them enjoy being miserable together. You have so much more happiness and that's something nobody can buy. I'm glad you have enough positive in your life to remain balanced and not get sucked into the drama too much.

It's sad to say but there are people in life who are miserable and mean. They seem to enjoy making others upset and behave appallingly.

I wish you the absolute best for your future and hope one day you'll be able to remember your lovely Dad without the nastiness and heartbreak overshadoweding it took much. 🫂

Lastofthesummerwine · 31/12/2024 11:55

BeNavyCrab · 31/12/2024 11:54

Reaping what you sow comes to mind and I think that you are doing the right thing to limit contact with them to a minimum. Let them enjoy being miserable together. You have so much more happiness and that's something nobody can buy. I'm glad you have enough positive in your life to remain balanced and not get sucked into the drama too much.

It's sad to say but there are people in life who are miserable and mean. They seem to enjoy making others upset and behave appallingly.

I wish you the absolute best for your future and hope one day you'll be able to remember your lovely Dad without the nastiness and heartbreak overshadoweding it took much. 🫂

Thank you ♥️💕

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