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To cut my mum out of my life?

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Lastofthesummerwine · 31/12/2024 09:15

I’ll try to keep this short but for quick background - my domineering mother has always preferred my toxic brother to me. My brother is 58, has rarely worked, faked illnesses to claim benefits most of his life and lived with my parents until my dad got a restraining order and got him thrown out of the house after he attacked my dad putting him in hospital. Even so, my Mother always took my brothers side. He has a previous history of violence towards his ex wives and anti social behaviour towards the police but in my mother’s eyes he could do no wrong. You get the picture….

I’ve always been close to my dad who was a good, kind man but have tried to avoid my mother and brother as much as possible as they always made me feel terrible anxiety. My brother is a horrible narcissistic bully, and when my dad was dying from cancer, dad told me that my brother had been in the house and refused to open a bottle of water for him (this was a week before dad died so he was really weak) and snarled at dad to open his own bottle of water with his teeth! Dad told me this in tears on the phone.

I live 4 hours away but used to travel up once a week to visit my dad when I knew my brother wouldn’t be there and would spend time doing as much as possible for my dad while my mother would sit there glued to the tv barely acknowledging me or my dad (the norm).

Fast forward 2 months ago, dad died.

Mum and brother took over the funeral arrangements and totally excluded me. I was supposed to be doing the order of service. A week before the funeral she phoned me and started ranting at me (because I mentioned to her that I wanted to be a pall bearer and carry dads coffin) She told me she would be taking over organising the order of service and she didn’t want me to carry my dads coffin “because women aren’t allowed and anyway I’m not having you dropping your fathers coffin!” Wtaf?

I put the phone down in shock and tears.

Turned up early on the morning of the funeral with my partner (we’ve been together for 1 year and and he’s wonderful. Dad loved him and gave him his blessing for our future together before he died, mum has barely acknowledged his existence). Spoke to the vicar, she said the song I wanted playing for dad for his funeral had not been included, nor had there been a provision for my eulogy. My mother and brother did not want to say any words for my dad which says it all really.

The vicar was lovely and changed everything around so my song was played and I read my eulogy. She said my mum and brother had refused to send her photos of my dad for the Order of Service and she’d never known anything like it. I think deep down she could see the truth.

When dad’s coffin was lowered in to the ground I cried because it had been raining the night before and his grave was waterlogged and it really upset me to see his coffin being lowered into muddy water. My bitch of a mother stood at the graveside cracking jokes to the vicar about how my dad enjoyed swimming and at least he could have a good swim down there now. The vicar looked horrified and I was so angry I couldn’t speak.

At the wake my brothers adult children (from his 3 different broken marriages) all came and sat with me and my partner and cried because my mum had snubbed them when they went to hug her and offer condolences. One of them had said to my mum in shock “Nanny, I’m your grand daughter, don’t you know who I am?” And my mum spat back “I know exactly who you are!” And turned her back on her!

My brother who was a deadbeat dad and husband has never acknowledged his children or paid maintenance and my mum has shunned all his wives and children too because they are the problem, not the common denominator - her precious son.

Dad’s funeral was the week before Christmas and I’ve not heard a word from her since, even though I sent her a Christmas card and presents.

I believe my brother has moved back in to the house with my mum and is now waiting for her to die (she’s 84) so he can basically live in the house rent free (that my dad paid for) when she dies.

The only connection I have to my mum are my two adult children (30 and 35) who adore her (she is only spiteful to me when they’re out of earshot and I’ve never said anything to them because I didn’t want to sour their relationship with their nan), they also saw and heard some of the awful things she said to my dad when he was still alive, but they were so shocking I think they thought she was joking.

I don’t have anything of my dad left and I would like just one of his jumpers and one of his paintings to remember him by, but I don’t feel comfortable going back to the house anymore.

My mothers brother died on Christmas Eve but he lives in Canada (but neither him nor the rest of her family have spoken to her for years) but she’s playing the distraught grieving widow card around my children and garnering their sympathy. We have no other family in this country.

I’m so upset and grief stricken over the loss of my dad and my adult kids keep saying “have you spoken to nanny since the funeral?” I don’t want to burden them with the truth while they’re still grieving the death of their beloved granddad but my partner said I should sit down with them in a couple of months and tell them everything.

My mothers health is really poor and I doubt she’ll still be here for more than another year or so but age and poor health have no bearing on the fact that she’s never loved me or cared about me for my whole life. It’s hard to explain the scars that leaves in a person, even as an adult (I’m 59) but I’m so conflicted. The thought of even talking to her fills me with a knot of dread. It sounds hard but I know I won’t shed a single tear over her when she passes, however I feel duty bound to reach out to her even though I really don’t want to.

AIBU to cut my mother out of my life?

OP posts:
Lovelyview · 31/12/2024 11:57

Isn't the will valid if it was signed? You should ask a solicitor.

Lastofthesummerwine · 31/12/2024 12:01

Ydkiml · 31/12/2024 11:53

Firstly , I think you should sit your adult children down and explain to them what has actually been going on throughout your life . It’s about time they get the truth about what she has done and what’s she is really like . Your mother has been manipulating them all their life too . Then it’s upto them what they want to do about it . Same for your brother , they have a right to know . None of this is your fault . Moving away , you had no choice. Your dad choose to stay with her so his well-being at the time was not your responsibility so pleased don’t beat yourself up over your dad . I doubt she has left you or your children anything in her will . I personally would hold my head up high and wash your hands of her and your brother . I wouldnt even go to her funeral . If I did , I’d celebrate in your mind that the bitch is dead .

I you are absolutely right. My mother is and always has been a master manipulator. I Ltd hard for people who don’t have that family dynamic to truly understand it much less empathise. I think she will split the house between my brother and my two children. But if she does then so be it. I will explain more to them when she goes but they’ve seen and heard a lot already. They like to believe the best in people - I’ll fill in the gaps later but now is not the right time. I certainly wouldn’t go to her funeral. I couldn’t be that much of a hypocrite.

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StopGo · 31/12/2024 12:08

If the will was signed and witnessed it is valid. You need legal advice as a matter of urgency.

BeNavyCrab · 31/12/2024 12:08

Lastofthesummerwine · 31/12/2024 11:48

My children have frequently seen my mother’s behaviour towards me, though not some of the extreme things she did. It’s just tooooo much to post all the details on here in their entirety. Dad made a will when he was dying - he wanted to cut my brother out and leave the house to me. When he spoke to the solicitor the solicitor told him that even if he left the house to me it would go to my mum first as his wife. Dad then revised his will to allow my mum to stay in the house until she died and it would then pass to me. The will was signed and dated by two independent witnesses but dad died before he could post it. I am now left with a copy of the signed but unposted will. My mum would definitely cut me out of her will (if she hasn’t already done so) if she knew my dad’s wishes. Maybe it’s better just to keep quiet and see what she does in her will when she goes as she’ll show her true colours. I need legal advice but I’m grieving as it’s only been a couple of weeks since I buried my dad and this post was never about a will. It was about whether I should cut my mum out of my life for my sanity and peace of mind.

I'm not 100 percent sure but I think that even if it wasn't posted, the will your dad wrote is still valid. If so, it doesn't matter what your Mum writes, it would be enforced before hers giving away anything he gave to you. I'd definitely get some legal advice on this. Most legal practices have a day or time when they offer free legal advice for 30 mins or so.

I've heard other lawyers telling people to do the rounds of all the practices you can, because once they give you advice, even if you don't pay for it, it means the other party can't ask for them to represent them.

I'm not normally materialistic but the way they have treated your poor Dad makes me feel like they shouldn't be able to profit from it and override his last wishes too. I'd think even if it's not completely valid as a will, if you contest it, it's perfect evidence for what his wishes were and that he was of sound mind to do so.

CreationNat1on · 31/12/2024 12:10

Hi OP,

My family are equally as toxic as yours. I can understand your pain and rejection. It's mysogyny and the patriarchy to blame, your mother was brainwashed to be a handmaiden to her spoilt, abusive son. She is trying to build him up, because he is a reflection of her.

Get self esteem is wrapped up in her son. You were Daddy's girl, her rival for attention, her crutch and the one that didn't need to be propped up.

Definitely get legal advice on the will. Get counselling too. Toxic brother will never change. Sorry, life is so nasty to women.

My mother/her toxic siblings also ignore excess family members that they do t need or want. Horrible behaviour. Really nasty people.

Klovos · 31/12/2024 12:17

Cut them off

devilspawn · 31/12/2024 12:32

If you haven't read the book "Toxic Parents" thoroughly recommend it.

I hope you have someone to talk to about this in the real world or have a therapist as it sounds like a lot to work through x

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 31/12/2024 12:35

I would have told my dcs how awful their grandmother is. How do you know she wouldn't subject them to the same shitty treatment?

I don't understand why you have encouraged a relationship with this toxic old sow?

1234567990qwerty · 31/12/2024 12:38

Lastofthesummerwine · 31/12/2024 11:48

My children have frequently seen my mother’s behaviour towards me, though not some of the extreme things she did. It’s just tooooo much to post all the details on here in their entirety. Dad made a will when he was dying - he wanted to cut my brother out and leave the house to me. When he spoke to the solicitor the solicitor told him that even if he left the house to me it would go to my mum first as his wife. Dad then revised his will to allow my mum to stay in the house until she died and it would then pass to me. The will was signed and dated by two independent witnesses but dad died before he could post it. I am now left with a copy of the signed but unposted will. My mum would definitely cut me out of her will (if she hasn’t already done so) if she knew my dad’s wishes. Maybe it’s better just to keep quiet and see what she does in her will when she goes as she’ll show her true colours. I need legal advice but I’m grieving as it’s only been a couple of weeks since I buried my dad and this post was never about a will. It was about whether I should cut my mum out of my life for my sanity and peace of mind.

Why would you need to post the will? Post it to who? It is legally binding apply for probate now before they do!

Lastofthesummerwine · 31/12/2024 12:40

1234567990qwerty · 31/12/2024 12:38

Why would you need to post the will? Post it to who? It is legally binding apply for probate now before they do!

It has to be posted to a solicitor

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1234567990qwerty · 31/12/2024 12:41

Lastofthesummerwine · 31/12/2024 12:40

It has to be posted to a solicitor

No it doesn't, my father typed up his own will and kept it in his house. As long as it is signed and dated by him and 2 witnesses it is legally binding.

1234567990qwerty · 31/12/2024 12:46

Lastofthesummerwine · 31/12/2024 12:40

It has to be posted to a solicitor

Recently been granted probate on the homemade will btw. There was never a solicitor involved at any point, my dad didn't believe in them.

Lastofthesummerwine · 31/12/2024 12:49

CreationNat1on · 31/12/2024 12:10

Hi OP,

My family are equally as toxic as yours. I can understand your pain and rejection. It's mysogyny and the patriarchy to blame, your mother was brainwashed to be a handmaiden to her spoilt, abusive son. She is trying to build him up, because he is a reflection of her.

Get self esteem is wrapped up in her son. You were Daddy's girl, her rival for attention, her crutch and the one that didn't need to be propped up.

Definitely get legal advice on the will. Get counselling too. Toxic brother will never change. Sorry, life is so nasty to women.

My mother/her toxic siblings also ignore excess family members that they do t need or want. Horrible behaviour. Really nasty people.

There are so many judgemental people in the world who have no idea what it is like to be brought up in an environment like this and so much more to say than I could possibly fit in to the original post. It’s part of the reason I’ve bottled it up my whole life. Most people have no idea what it’s like. It’s hard enough trying to open up and reach out for help when you have been manipulated, emotionally neglected, controlled and gaslit by your own mother your entire life. I was trying to give an overview of my current situation as I was wrestling with so many emotions. It sounds like you totally understand. So many kind comments on my thread but also so many along the lines of “don’t cut your mother out in case you can get something from the will” I never came on here to talk about a will but to try and work my way through a lifetime of nightmarish circumstances and the dilemma I’m facing of cutting ties with my family while I’m still feeling traumatised by my dads death and grieving.

OP posts:
Lastofthesummerwine · 31/12/2024 12:49

1234567990qwerty · 31/12/2024 12:41

No it doesn't, my father typed up his own will and kept it in his house. As long as it is signed and dated by him and 2 witnesses it is legally binding.

Thank you. I didn’t realise that.

OP posts:
TiramisuThief · 31/12/2024 12:51

Your dad's latest will is valid. Please seek legal advice.

Lastofthesummerwine · 31/12/2024 12:52

1234567990qwerty · 31/12/2024 12:46

Recently been granted probate on the homemade will btw. There was never a solicitor involved at any point, my dad didn't believe in them.

Oh wow, thank you so much. I didn’t realise that. I’ve spent 6 months caring for my dad and watching him fade away till he died, then the horror show of hurt at his funeral and burying him just before Christmas. I haven’t had time to get my head around any of it.

OP posts:
1234567990qwerty · 31/12/2024 12:54

Lastofthesummerwine · 31/12/2024 12:49

Thank you. I didn’t realise that.

I was in a similar position to you so I wanted you to know that whatever you decide, you have that option. I plan to go no contact with my narc brother as soon as possible, it's harder when it come to my mum. We are pretty low contact as it is but it's so hard to get past the feeling that I'm the problem not them! That's what I've always been told.

Sorry about your dad. x

Bababear987 · 31/12/2024 12:58

Your health and sanity is far more important than a bit of money, I'd cut the bitch off asap.

Wills can be contended anyways but honestly happiness is more important. Good luck

Lilactimes · 31/12/2024 13:06

Hi @Lastofthesummerwine - I’m so sorry for this situation you’re going through. It sounds very hard.
many posters have already said this but wanted to add to these suggestions.
First - get a counsellor for grief. not just your father but effectively the grief you’re feeling regarding your mother. She may not be dead but you’re grieving a mother you wanted and needed and the complexity of your relationship needs discussing with someone professional I reckon. In my experience, this type of relationship and her imminent death is extremely complex for you to deal with and can affect you just as much as the death of a dearly beloved parent.

Second - get a lawyer - cross check the will of your father and get advice on how easy it will be to share your mother’s assets in future or any other questions you may have about the estate now and future estate once your mother passes . If it’s not clear - you may want to walk away from this situation without fighting or you may want to prepare for it. But do arm yourself with the facts from a professional.

Appreciate this will cost money but you clearly sound like a lovely caring wonderful person who’s broken this cycle with their own children - and now is the time for you to get professional support to work through the many decisions you need to make. Anything you can raise or access to help you with this situation will be worth it.
Good luck OP and I hope 2025 brings you the answers you need and some peace xx

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 31/12/2024 13:20

@Lastofthesummerwine sorry! I went no contact with my mother when she was in her late 70's! honestly the feeling of relief after around a week was so much better for me and even my husband noticed how much more relaxed I was. she died when I was still no speaking to her but I felt I seriously could not take any more of the conflict and her always being there for the golden child but never being there for me!!! she did not even know my daughter was seriously ill with cancer. I too got nothing to remind me of my late dad. the celebrant thought the golden child was the only child!!! I had a younger sister who was in the same boat as me!!

Lastofthesummerwine · 31/12/2024 13:20

Lilactimes · 31/12/2024 13:06

Hi @Lastofthesummerwine - I’m so sorry for this situation you’re going through. It sounds very hard.
many posters have already said this but wanted to add to these suggestions.
First - get a counsellor for grief. not just your father but effectively the grief you’re feeling regarding your mother. She may not be dead but you’re grieving a mother you wanted and needed and the complexity of your relationship needs discussing with someone professional I reckon. In my experience, this type of relationship and her imminent death is extremely complex for you to deal with and can affect you just as much as the death of a dearly beloved parent.

Second - get a lawyer - cross check the will of your father and get advice on how easy it will be to share your mother’s assets in future or any other questions you may have about the estate now and future estate once your mother passes . If it’s not clear - you may want to walk away from this situation without fighting or you may want to prepare for it. But do arm yourself with the facts from a professional.

Appreciate this will cost money but you clearly sound like a lovely caring wonderful person who’s broken this cycle with their own children - and now is the time for you to get professional support to work through the many decisions you need to make. Anything you can raise or access to help you with this situation will be worth it.
Good luck OP and I hope 2025 brings you the answers you need and some peace xx

This is great advice and truly appreciated - thank you. I just want to move forward peacefully with my life ♥️

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Lastofthesummerwine · 31/12/2024 13:22

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 31/12/2024 13:20

@Lastofthesummerwine sorry! I went no contact with my mother when she was in her late 70's! honestly the feeling of relief after around a week was so much better for me and even my husband noticed how much more relaxed I was. she died when I was still no speaking to her but I felt I seriously could not take any more of the conflict and her always being there for the golden child but never being there for me!!! she did not even know my daughter was seriously ill with cancer. I too got nothing to remind me of my late dad. the celebrant thought the golden child was the only child!!! I had a younger sister who was in the same boat as me!!

Edited

Oh goodness, I’m sorry to hear that. I can’t believe she didn’t even know about your daughter’s illness. Some people aren’t really fit to be parents or grandparents! I hope your daughter made it through 🙏🏼💕 x

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allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 31/12/2024 13:23

@Lastofthesummerwine you may find that your mother makes another will leaving everything to your brother. that also happened to me! my daughter died 13 months after my mother and the golden child died 2 months before my daughter.

TheaBrandt · 31/12/2024 13:24

Sorry to hear. The Will sounds as if it’s valid the fear is if they’ve destroyed it😢.

CheekyRaven · 05/01/2025 18:32

The will should stand even if unposted? I would get a solicitor who deals with estates to take a look.