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To cut my mum out of my life?

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Lastofthesummerwine · 31/12/2024 09:15

I’ll try to keep this short but for quick background - my domineering mother has always preferred my toxic brother to me. My brother is 58, has rarely worked, faked illnesses to claim benefits most of his life and lived with my parents until my dad got a restraining order and got him thrown out of the house after he attacked my dad putting him in hospital. Even so, my Mother always took my brothers side. He has a previous history of violence towards his ex wives and anti social behaviour towards the police but in my mother’s eyes he could do no wrong. You get the picture….

I’ve always been close to my dad who was a good, kind man but have tried to avoid my mother and brother as much as possible as they always made me feel terrible anxiety. My brother is a horrible narcissistic bully, and when my dad was dying from cancer, dad told me that my brother had been in the house and refused to open a bottle of water for him (this was a week before dad died so he was really weak) and snarled at dad to open his own bottle of water with his teeth! Dad told me this in tears on the phone.

I live 4 hours away but used to travel up once a week to visit my dad when I knew my brother wouldn’t be there and would spend time doing as much as possible for my dad while my mother would sit there glued to the tv barely acknowledging me or my dad (the norm).

Fast forward 2 months ago, dad died.

Mum and brother took over the funeral arrangements and totally excluded me. I was supposed to be doing the order of service. A week before the funeral she phoned me and started ranting at me (because I mentioned to her that I wanted to be a pall bearer and carry dads coffin) She told me she would be taking over organising the order of service and she didn’t want me to carry my dads coffin “because women aren’t allowed and anyway I’m not having you dropping your fathers coffin!” Wtaf?

I put the phone down in shock and tears.

Turned up early on the morning of the funeral with my partner (we’ve been together for 1 year and and he’s wonderful. Dad loved him and gave him his blessing for our future together before he died, mum has barely acknowledged his existence). Spoke to the vicar, she said the song I wanted playing for dad for his funeral had not been included, nor had there been a provision for my eulogy. My mother and brother did not want to say any words for my dad which says it all really.

The vicar was lovely and changed everything around so my song was played and I read my eulogy. She said my mum and brother had refused to send her photos of my dad for the Order of Service and she’d never known anything like it. I think deep down she could see the truth.

When dad’s coffin was lowered in to the ground I cried because it had been raining the night before and his grave was waterlogged and it really upset me to see his coffin being lowered into muddy water. My bitch of a mother stood at the graveside cracking jokes to the vicar about how my dad enjoyed swimming and at least he could have a good swim down there now. The vicar looked horrified and I was so angry I couldn’t speak.

At the wake my brothers adult children (from his 3 different broken marriages) all came and sat with me and my partner and cried because my mum had snubbed them when they went to hug her and offer condolences. One of them had said to my mum in shock “Nanny, I’m your grand daughter, don’t you know who I am?” And my mum spat back “I know exactly who you are!” And turned her back on her!

My brother who was a deadbeat dad and husband has never acknowledged his children or paid maintenance and my mum has shunned all his wives and children too because they are the problem, not the common denominator - her precious son.

Dad’s funeral was the week before Christmas and I’ve not heard a word from her since, even though I sent her a Christmas card and presents.

I believe my brother has moved back in to the house with my mum and is now waiting for her to die (she’s 84) so he can basically live in the house rent free (that my dad paid for) when she dies.

The only connection I have to my mum are my two adult children (30 and 35) who adore her (she is only spiteful to me when they’re out of earshot and I’ve never said anything to them because I didn’t want to sour their relationship with their nan), they also saw and heard some of the awful things she said to my dad when he was still alive, but they were so shocking I think they thought she was joking.

I don’t have anything of my dad left and I would like just one of his jumpers and one of his paintings to remember him by, but I don’t feel comfortable going back to the house anymore.

My mothers brother died on Christmas Eve but he lives in Canada (but neither him nor the rest of her family have spoken to her for years) but she’s playing the distraught grieving widow card around my children and garnering their sympathy. We have no other family in this country.

I’m so upset and grief stricken over the loss of my dad and my adult kids keep saying “have you spoken to nanny since the funeral?” I don’t want to burden them with the truth while they’re still grieving the death of their beloved granddad but my partner said I should sit down with them in a couple of months and tell them everything.

My mothers health is really poor and I doubt she’ll still be here for more than another year or so but age and poor health have no bearing on the fact that she’s never loved me or cared about me for my whole life. It’s hard to explain the scars that leaves in a person, even as an adult (I’m 59) but I’m so conflicted. The thought of even talking to her fills me with a knot of dread. It sounds hard but I know I won’t shed a single tear over her when she passes, however I feel duty bound to reach out to her even though I really don’t want to.

AIBU to cut my mother out of my life?

OP posts:
GreatGardenstuff · 05/01/2025 18:41

The best advice someone gave me when my mum died was not to make any big decisions. I ignored it at the time, but with hindsight they were very wise words.

I’m so sorry you’re going through this, losing a parent is hard enough without all of the toxic family drama. I would suggest going low contact for a while, and asking your children if they could visit for the keepsakes, and potentially gently probe about the will situation.

TheCryingTheBitchAndTheFloordrobe · 05/01/2025 18:42

OP that will is valid. Get to a solicitor immediately.

Hotflushesandchilblains · 05/01/2025 18:46

Get some legal advice, but dont mention it to your mum or brother. Ask your children to ask for a keepsake and to get one for you - you may have to ask them to keep quiet about that bit or your mum may block it. I would be really honest with them about how things have been for you but whether you do that before or after the visit to get the keepsakes is up to you. I have a few things from family members which are literally the only things i would care about if my house fell down so I understand where you are coming from.

MILLYmo0se · 05/01/2025 18:54

For the love of goodness contact your dad's solicitor that he spoke to about his will tomorrow and tell them you have it. Do not mention it to your mother, but get your kids to go round ASAP before, all hell breaks loose overthe will to ask for some of grandads clothes, that they want to make them into a cushion and for whatever other moments you want.
Gather up any evidence you can find of your brothers assault on your father, you will need it if the loser decides to fight the will, it's a valid reason for the decision he made, he wanted your mother protected from your brothers abuse and influence.
You need professional help imo to deal with the burden these effed up family dynamics have left you with..... And are your children really oblivious to it all? Were they not at the funeral?

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 05/01/2025 19:11

@Lastofthesummerwine sorry but your "kids" are old enough to be told just how horrible your mother is and has been to you!! no hiding the truth. tell them and tell them what she was like with your dad. so what if it tarnishes their relationship with her! they might realise then that what they heard her saying was genuine and not just a joke! as for cutting her out of your life, I would! she obviously only uses people so dont let her use and abuse her again.

Creamteasandbumblebees · 05/01/2025 19:14

I'm so sorry for your loss, you must be devastated, but take comfort from the fact your father knew you loved him and had blessed the life he wants you to lead with a lovely partner.

Perhaps only have contact with your Mum while your children are there, arrive with them and leave with them, that way , if she speaks out of line. they will witness it. Perhaps ask for a few of his possessions front of them, she maybe more likely to agree.

Take care x

Sillyauldthing · 05/01/2025 19:28

I would consider my own sanity and well being first and if that means never speaking to either of them again so be it. I think I’d just be straight with my kids , you sound like you have a good relationship with them, were they not aware of the attack made on their grandad? . I’d go to a solicitor as a matter of urgence with your Dads will in case theres a deadline. It’s worth knowing where you stand and it’s what your Dad wanted. Good luck and my deepest sympathy on the loss of your Dad.

Nextdoor55 · 05/01/2025 19:29

Save a couple of changes, your story could be written by me. I have a cold unloving mother who can only do "needy" relationships, she basically needs to be needed & like your brother, mine has actually never left home & he's 59. He's also aggressive & has just never had to grow up, she'd kept him like that, he's been doing drugs most of his life, yet she still does his food shopping. Like a little boy.

Worse still they're both stopping us from seeing my dad who is terminally ill. It's sick. But even though this is the case, I'm thinking we don't have a choice but to walk away.
I would definitely be telling your children. I didn't have to, they saw for themselves how awful she is & how she picks certain members of the family off. Reminds me of a spider controlling a web. I think once you realise how much you despise her find a way of letting her know - she won't listen because they never do. My mother has never ever made a mistake in her entire life... it's all me or someone else.

I'd definitely walk away, but if you need to tell her exactly what you think, if you don't feel the need to of course you don't have to. But this is my plan as I'm absolutely sick of her

Nextdoor55 · 05/01/2025 19:32

Lastofthesummerwine · 31/12/2024 09:27

My dad died without making a will so everything passed to my mum.l have a feeling she’s left everything to my brother anyway. She announced before my dad died that she’d made a will and my brother is the executor. So why would he have access to the will and not me? Why would you even do that? She also stole the deeds to the house from my fathers private papers and illegally cashed a pension in if his 30 years ago by fitting his signature. The woman is a total witch!

This should be reported to the policy surely?

Yellowseat · 05/01/2025 19:41

Your mother and brother are narcissists she is not his enabler, they are each others enablers. @Lastofthesummerwine DH and I grew up in extremely abusive homes with narcissists in them and honestly I could do an expert topic in it at this stage and yours is a very bad case of the two narcissists.

I would walk away if I were you, they will bring you nothing but pain. They are like broken glass slippery, sharp ad dangerous. Protect yourself.

PenguinLover24 · 05/01/2025 19:50

Cut the fuckers off and leave the two narcissists to it! So sorry to hear about your dad. You have a lovely life without these two and life's far too short to deal with people like this! You don't have to worry about your dad anymore so you can cut contact without worrying about him. When your mum dies leave your brother to deal with it all! I would ask your children to ask dear granny for a keepsake of their grandad and they choose what you want and give it to you. When they mention again if you've phoned her I would just calmly say, kids, it's a long story that you probably can't even imagine but I will no longer speak to your grandmother but don't let that impact you. If you want to know I will tell you and if not that's fine. Then if they ask, tell them the lot! She's a classic narcissist who is evil to you and sweet as pie to them, she's hoping they won't believe you. As for the will, my dad wrote one when he was dying and it was witnessed and not posted to anyone and it was legal. I'd get on this and take everything you can from them!

hattie43 · 05/01/2025 19:57

Tbh I'd not be in touch with this toxic duo no matter how much money you'll need to fight over when you're mum dies . You know your brother will fight tooth and nail to keep any inheritance to himself . How do you know house deeds / investments are not being transferred to him now .
For the sake of your sanity and to prevent years of stress fighting over a will I'd just leave them to it . The bottom line is you're the winner anyway , you have a loving supportive family , what does your brother have , nothing . A sad lonely life to look forward to .

Manthide · 05/01/2025 20:02

I just want to say that a will does not need to be posted to be valid, 2 witnesses are enough. My db died last March only a couple of weeks after he was diagnosed with cancer. It was very difficult to find witnesses but we managed and he died a couple of days later. It certainly made the whole probate process much easier.

MrsRagnarLothbrok · 05/01/2025 20:07

So sorry for your loss. Your mother and brother sound vile, my father is the same, I have no contact with him at all, and haven’t for many years. We wouldn’t accept being treated so badly by anyone else why should we accept it because we happen to be related, do not feel guilty cutting them out of your life.

also as others have said get in touch with your dads solicitor about his will. I hope you find the peace you deserve

atomicnotsoblonde · 05/01/2025 20:13

The will is valid. Get legal advice and get them out of your life for good.

NWQM · 05/01/2025 20:15

Have read your posts Op and many of the replies. You have received some good advice from what I can see but can I echo the suggestion of grief therapy......you haven't just lost your Dad, as traumatic as that will be but you are also in many ways grieving the loss of you having a caring mother. You have done brilliantly by the sounds of it to break the cycle of poor parenting.

Getting your child to ask for something or their granddad seems a good plan.

I would also thing about whether you buy something in his memory to have at home. Depends what works for you but I brought a lamp for instance that is a bit like a miners lamp that reminds me of my Mum and Dad. Only a few people know that it is any more than a nice lamp so was just thinking that even if your Mum came round it couldn't trigger her into a sulk.

Pherian · 05/01/2025 21:21

First thing first I think you need to learn how to get pissed off and deal with people differently - instead of making everything traumatic and emotional for yourself. Especially when dealing with narcissist. You’re just feeding those fuckers with your tears. Start drawing boundaries and telling people what’s what. And that means not accepting any bullshit like being told you can’t do something because you’re a woman.

Should you cut them off - hell yes. Never deal to those people again it would do you good. Block them on socials and change your number.

Im sorry for your loss of your father. May he rest in peace.

TwinklySquid · 05/01/2025 21:56

I know some people are saying stay around incase of a will but from what you say, I don’t think you’ll be in that will. If you stick around and then find out she’s cut you out ,you’ll feel even worse.

id cut my ties and get some therapy . It will be hard to accept you’ll get nothing but that has probably happened already.

It might be worth asking your kids to get a keepsake for you but just remember they can’t take away the good memories you have of your father.

ginislife · 05/01/2025 22:42

Whose name is the house in ? If it was in just your dads name and he's left your mother the right to reside and then to you when she passes in the will you have then you need legal advice now.

carly2803 · 05/01/2025 22:56

That will is valid

get legal advice tomorrow - even if your head is (understandably) not in the game

i am very sorry for your loss OP. now its business time, get your revenge on golden child by getting what you deserve and exactly what your father would want you to have

MILLYmo0se · 06/01/2025 17:05

TwinklySquid · 05/01/2025 21:56

I know some people are saying stay around incase of a will but from what you say, I don’t think you’ll be in that will. If you stick around and then find out she’s cut you out ,you’ll feel even worse.

id cut my ties and get some therapy . It will be hard to accept you’ll get nothing but that has probably happened already.

It might be worth asking your kids to get a keepsake for you but just remember they can’t take away the good memories you have of your father.

The OP has her father valid will, that's the will most posters are referring to

Itwiznyme · 07/01/2025 14:29

Sending a huge hug. I am
just running out the door for school run but I will add a proper response when I get in ❤️

Manthide · 07/01/2025 17:35

I think the OP should ensure her df's last words should be heard. It will obviously be difficult given their grief, her unpleasant db and her enabling dm but her df would be so proud of her.

Ilovecakey · 07/01/2025 17:46

maddening · 31/12/2024 09:21

I would stay in touch so she doesn't cut you out of the will - and ensure that the house is sold and divided rather than let the arse of a brother get his mitts on it - but I am pretty petty - after a lifetime of it I would suck.up 12 months of pretending just to keep the brother from taking everything of your father's.

That won't necessarily stop him getting everything. Sounds like he will try to talk her into leaving it all to him and doesn't sound like she will take much persuading either as she said he's always been her favourite. I speak from experience I had a brother like that

maddening · 07/01/2025 18:17

Ilovecakey · 07/01/2025 17:46

That won't necessarily stop him getting everything. Sounds like he will try to talk her into leaving it all to him and doesn't sound like she will take much persuading either as she said he's always been her favourite. I speak from experience I had a brother like that

Edited

But if the mother isn't clever about it it will be open to contesting - and the op would have a good chance with the brother banned from the house for violence against the parents until the father passed away. He has been shown to be violent and coercive.

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