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Or are my two best friends being awful to me?

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lonelyfriend · 29/12/2024 14:25

I have two best friends, let’s call them Kayla and Sophia. I met both at uni, and we were really close for years. Over time, Kayla and Sophia drifted apart but stayed polite and friendly when they see each other. Now that we’re in our early 30s, it feels like both of them are being pretty crappy friends. Or am I just expecting too much?

We’re all very different people. I’m not interested in getting married or having kids anytime soon. I’ve got a boyfriend, and we’re both focused on our careers and love traveling. We usually do 5–7 budget friendly trips a year (cheap flights and hotels), which lets us see more places. We split everything 50/50, which works perfectly for us.

Kayla

Kayla was never super career focused at uni. She always said her dream was to find love, have kids, and work in a job with a good work life balance. A few years after we graduated, she met a guy who’s about 10 years older, very successful, and from a wealthy family. He’s set to inherit a multimillion-pound business and already earns a high salary working for it. From what I’ve seen and heard, he’s kind, funny, and really loves her. They got married quickly and now have two kids.

These days, though, Kayla is always making comments that get on my nerves. If I mention that my boyfriend and I split costs, she’ll say stuff like, “He makes you go 50/50? He’s supposed to be… the man… no?” Or if we’re chatting about skincare, she’ll go, “Be careful in the sun, it ages you. Beauty is our most important asset as women!”

She also completely brushes off anything nice I say about my boyfriend. For example, i said that I generally find it attractive when a man is good at DIY, she laughed and said, “Better yet, if he earned more, he could hire the best professionals.” At Christmas, I mentioned I’d rather go on holiday with my boyfriend (splitting the cost) than get a fancy gift, and she basically said, “If you act like you don’t need anything, you’ll never get anything. You need to motivate him to give you more.”

Her whole vibe is that a man’s worth is based on how much he provides, women should use their looks to marry rich, and women who work or don’t want kids are just weird and will end up miserable because we’re biologically programmed to seek out a mate who can provide so we raise kids and look after the home, not slave away.

Sophia

Sophia is a different story, she feels like she’s always trying to one-up me. She’ll make comments in front of my boyfriend like, “Aww, how come you two aren’t married yet?” even though she knows I don’t want to get married. Before we moved in together, she’d constantly say, “It’s funny you two don’t live together,” even though we had personal reasons for waiting.

It’s the same with work. I have a good job and I’m happy, but I’m not chasing big promotions or massive paychecks. Sophia won’t stop with stuff like, “I just got a promotion, why don’t you move somewhere you could earn more?” or “Don’t you want to work for a bigger company with more opportunities?” It always feels like she’s trying to prove she’s better than me.

Am I Overthinking?

Am I expecting too much from them? Or are they just being weird? I’m starting to feel like I’m losing both of my best friends, and it’s hard because I don’t have many other close friends. How do I handle this?

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ButterCrackers · 29/12/2024 14:29

They are not real friends. Find friends that are stress free and that you can have a laugh with.

Scarydinosaurs · 29/12/2024 14:30

You don’t sound like you like them very much?

I find it’s best to find people you like, and accept people for who they are. No one is perfect, and friends will inevitably have different values or funny quirks. If these friends aren’t people you love and cherish, then don’t spend time with them.

username299 · 29/12/2024 14:33

I don't understand why you're friends with the first woman, I find women like that repulsive.

As for the second, her behaviour is strange. I can imagine mentioning things once eg do you have plans to marry or move in together but to repeatedly ask? I would assume she had something wrong with her.

Don't hang out with people you don't gel with.

SpryCat · 29/12/2024 14:34

You all have changed and different to how you were at uni, I wouldn’t take it personally.

OtterlyMad · 29/12/2024 14:36

I think you all sound like very different people. You’re not wrong for wanting more out of friendship but I do think you’re wrong for expecting these people to change - they’ve showed you who they are, so believe them!

I would advise that you find new friends (or spend more time with others that you already have) because it doesn’t sound like these women lift you up like friends should.

dixon86 · 29/12/2024 14:37

Time to go your separate ways

TheStarfire · 29/12/2024 14:38

I wouldn't consider them friends tbh. The first one sounds like she's desperate to prove she's done the right thing by marrying someone who can provide. Maybe she thinks you are judging her for her choices, so is on the defensive. The other one...hmmm not so bad but still tiresome. You don't seem to like either of them, so I'd honestly let this frenemy situation fizzle out

bananaboats · 29/12/2024 14:39

It sounds like you've just grown apart. Your lives have gone in different directions and you don't have much in common anymore which is very normal.

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Choux · 29/12/2024 14:43

Your two friends have drifted apart as they have revealed themselves to be polar opposites. Kayla wanted a comfortable lifestyle so found a rich guy to marry. Sophia wants a comfortable lifestyle so works hard and chases promotions to get it.

Now you are stuck in the middle and they are trying to convince you their way is the best way. Kayla would love you to dump 50/50 guy and find someone who treats her like her husband does (which may not be a walk in the park as she seems to need him to give her stuff rather than she has access to funds to buy it herself). And Sophia would like you to try to move up the career ladder to validate her singleminded career focus.

You need to walk your own path in life and, if they aren't supportive dial back how often you see them.

Tricho · 29/12/2024 14:43

I'm sorry but I simply refuse to believe that somebody would utter the phrase "remember, beauty is our most powerful asset as women!" In real life.

It's not even just the context but syntactically also rings false

GeorgeMichaelsCat · 29/12/2024 14:46

You sound like you've grown apart and now have different values. Friendships grow and change, in this case you sound incompatible.

Birdscratch · 29/12/2024 14:46

They sound like stereotypes not people. What do you like about them?

Plastictrees · 29/12/2024 14:49

You shouldn’t feel this vexed around your friends, it’s too much negative energy and a waste of your time. People change and it sounds like you need to invest more in meeting like minded people - you should come away from meet ups feeling invigorated not irritated. I don’t think there’s a need to cut these people off or do anything drastic, just reduce the level of effort and contact (like they have done with each other).

Ladybyrd · 29/12/2024 14:49

It sounds like your priorities and values have all changed over the years, which you'd expect since your uni days. You find yourself on a very different path from both of them, and thata ok. I will say this though. A woman in her 30s who believes beauty is her greatest asset has a very challenging future ahead of her. As for prioritising wealth in a partner, if that business goes pop, what is she left with?

To each their own. I would wish them well (silently) and move on (slow fade).

Eyesopenwideawake · 29/12/2024 14:50

You sound happy with your life, they aren’t. Either tell them to back off or start looking for more like minded friends.

Ohnobackagain · 29/12/2024 14:52

They sound like hard work @lonelyfriend . Not one of my friends has ever treated me like that. Both seem unable to accept someone else could have a different opinion - which explains why they fell out with each other (almost opposite views). I’d probably just let things fade out with them to be honest. They also seem like, despite their beliefs and views, they are jealous of you. Real friends would be pleased and happy as long as you are happy, not critical.

ObtuseMoose · 29/12/2024 14:53

Do they really talk like that? They sound like stereotypes of gold diggers and career women.

JustAnotherPieceOfCake · 29/12/2024 14:58

It sounds as though you have nothing in common.

They aren't friends. Friends don't behave like that.
Kayla sounds horrible, so bothered about material things and wealth. Sophia sounds too pushy. Neither of them is likeable to me.

NobleDeeds · 29/12/2024 14:58

Tricho · 29/12/2024 14:43

I'm sorry but I simply refuse to believe that somebody would utter the phrase "remember, beauty is our most powerful asset as women!" In real life.

It's not even just the context but syntactically also rings false

Yes, this is one of those threads where an OP reproduces semi-fictionalised conversations between her and former friends she clearly now dislikes intensely, so that the internet can reassure her they’re awful.

BobbyBiscuits · 29/12/2024 15:01

You were friends many years ago. They are different now and so are you. Neither sound worth the effort tbh.
Nobody who cares about others would act in those ways. Leave them to it and focus on people who share your values and aren't bitches or status obsessed.

NobleDeeds · 29/12/2024 15:01

In answer to your question,,OP, you don’t need to ‘handle’ it at all. You don’t like them, they don’t appear to think much of you. You’re only hanging on to two dead friendships because you don’t have many others. Make new friends you actually like.

Shakeyourbaublesandsmile · 29/12/2024 15:02

The examples you cited both indicate they are out to justify their own choices - self confirming biases. They sound like they lack maturity and lack self awareness which makes them not nice friends

gamerchick · 29/12/2024 15:06

Friends should enhance you, not make you feel bad OP. If they constantly make you feel upset or annoyed then they're not your friends

Tbh I like the sound of your life than the other 2. It sounds awesome. Grin maybe there's a tinge of jealousy going on with them.

You could make comments back. Your rich friend is only rich because of her husband. She's putting herself at risk of being replaced and having to sort herself out. That's not an enviable place to be.

You could also tell them they've turned into toxic specimens and you don't want to see them anymore.

Or do a slow fade. These people aren't your friends, you've all moved on.