to think taking weight loss injections/tablets is an easy cop out?

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I am seriously considering going ahead with this. I am nearly pre diabetic stage and the heaviest i’ve been in my whole.
It started to affect me health wise so i know i really do need to lose weight but can’t help feeling one should be able to do it without medication as then how am i going to be able to maintain it if i need help getting there??

If you think it's cheating, just eat less and move more. Apparently that works. 🙄

To be fair that does actually work for some folk.

It’s definitely been an easy way for me to lose weight. I’ve lost over 40 pounds without any difficulty. I could’ve elected to do it the hard way, but I’d probably still be fat.

If you are obese, it's very difficult. There's a very interesting documentary by Chris Van Tulleken about the food industry, the rise in obesity and the impact of processed foods on brain chemistry.

This is really worth reading. Thanks for posting. The set point stuff is really interesting. I first read about it in Why We Eat Too Much by Dr Andrew Jenkinson, another well respected doctor involved with obesity patients for many years. That's also worth reading as there's some really interesting stuff about metabology and the mechanism of weight gain/loss which was all new to me. For example that your body reduces its basal metabolic rate to prevent weight loss, which is why so many people report weight loss stopping even though on paper they should be losing. Their body has reduced its functions to hold on to the fat, which is an evolutionary survival technique.

Thank you for posting this @Dulra

For those of you who haven't time to read the whole thing:

Nope. I’m saying some people need the medical help to lose weight in the same way some people need medical help to have a baby. We don’t judge people for c sections for medical reasons so we shouldn’t judge for the jabs. Some people have a chemical make up that makes it very hard for them to
lose weight. I feel sorry for them and glad for them that they can get this help. No judgement here for c sections or wl jabs.

You clearly would benefit from losing weight. If you think Mounjaro is a huge cop out do it without taking weight loss jabs.

If you do decide to go down the Mounjaro route you will find plenty of support on the relative weigh loss injection threads here.

(20 kilos down, 20 more to go).

Yes I do.
Now give me the names of the weight loss tablets.
😅

Even on the medication you still have to deny yourself things you want to eat.

The medical advice is sound but subtle. It is a game changer in the treatment of obesity, but this is because the risks associated with taking the drugs outweigh the risks of remaining obese. This risk balance changes though if obesity is not the problem.

Using the drugs to lose a few pounds creates a much higher risk through the side effects of the drugs themselves.

In addition, obesity is a disease and as such easy weight loss is not a cure and it may mean you will need to take the drugs for life.
People who are “naturally” the right weight have a different attitude to food, changing your attitude to food and eating is more important than reducing your appetite.

Treatment under the NHS is so much more than just prescribing the drugs. There is much more support from dieticians and HCPs to produce a long term “cure”.

As a dentist, we treat two basically preventable, treatable chronic diseases, gum disease and tooth decay. Both respond brilliantly to cleaning and diet, but changing people’s diet and behaviour is incredibly difficult. We do achieve good results but patients frequently lose interest when the disease goes into remission and rapidly deteriorate.

You would think it was really simple, clean your teeth and reduce sugar/carbs to keep your teeth. It is incredibly frustrating when patients slip, they blame everything but themselves. It’s interesting that periodontal disease ( gum disease) is linked to type 2 diabetes. Whether causation or correlation, it doesn’t really matter, but we do see improvements in perio disease when patient’s diabetes improve.

My fear is that drugs like mounjaro will be used intermittently to yo-yo diet. People going back to their bad habits then taking the drugs to drop the weight they’ve gained. I don’t think it will be any different from any other weight loss method ultimately. The overwhelming limiting factor will be whether you can afford to take it forever.

Notice op has pulled the rip cord and vanished... 🤔

@Angrymum22 thanks its really interesting reading your comment.
It would be good to get and idea on numbers whether what point of obesity or being overweight (where there are no real noticeable symptoms yet)
do we say it’s worth taking the medication.
I mean are there providers who decline patients based on not being obese enough?
I guess not a lot…

If you're interested the prescribing rules are published by the government. Pharmacists follow these https://www.gov.uk/government/news/mhra-authorises-diabetes-drug-mounjaro-tirzepatide-for-weight-management-and-weight-loss

Yes, all of them, the criteria is very fixed.

@OliveLeader

"We know that dieting slows the metabolism, meaning you’re fighting an uphill battle to lose weight and keep it off whenever you diet"

But surely the weight loss drugs are making the body diet (by decreasing the appetite).

How is that different in from the traditional methods? The metabolism sees that calorie restriction regardless of cause and will slow meaning that the drugs must be taken for life unless the reduced food intake can be maintained despite the return of normal appetite.

OP you have fallen into the common trap of believing that somehow weight control is a moral issue and that in order to resolve it, you cant have any help

Apply that to people giving up fags, booze and heroin.

Weight control is as simple as CICO, except that the modern UK human has lots of barriers which make that very difficult and unless and until we can go back to a time where our physical expenditure was much more and/or food more expensive, less plentiful, less accessible and more structure and routine around it, we need help to make us eat less of it.

Simple. If the drugs work, just like they might for blood pressure or headaches or any number of conditions we use meds for, just take them

One of the effects of mounjaro is that it boosts your metabolism while you’re taking it, whereas dieting slows your metabolism which means the more weight you lose by dieting, the harder it becomes and the more you have to reduce your calorie intake (sometimes to the point where it ceases to be sustainable or safe to continue).

You can take a low dose of mounjaro indefinitely, I understand (I don’t use it but that’s what I’ve heard from a couple of relatives who do). Otherwise, when you come off it you will need to learn how to manage your own appetite and metabolism in order not to regain the weight you have lost, but you’re certainly in no worse position (and may be in a much better position) than you would have been had you lost the same weight through dieting.

The slowing down of metabolism isnt significant enough to stop people losing weight otherwise people wouldnt starve to death, we wouldnt worry about the elderly or anorexics not eating and people who have weight loss surgery and can only eat about 800 cals for months on end wouldnt have the weight falling off them (us).

I don't think it's a cop out - the only person I know who I am aware is on injectionables is an older man with joint and heart problems and I think it's bloody great he can use them as it's probably the best way of reducing the impact of his related problems on both him and the NHS.

I've been taking steroids for over 25 years, without them I would have died. Although I'm on a low dose now, the medics can't quite get me off them safely. The steroids have completely fucked up my metabolism and how my body works/looks. I've been on Mounjaro for three months with very slight result but I'm seen by a NHS bariatric consultant and I'll keep going, albeit slowly.

Not this again 🙄

And you STILL need the lifestyle changes to lose the weight

Yup it's an easy cop out for us lazy fatties. We just jab, jab, jab and then eat a whole pizza and shit it out. Because we are lazy and lacking moral fibre.
Look use the WLI or don't. Do calorie counting, keto, slim fast, Cambridge... It doesn't affect anyone else. But if you are thinking of using WLI why not spend less time judging and more time researching.

Use it or don't, but don't start goady threads like this.