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To think there is not enough disabled bays for how many badge users there are

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thecherryfox · 29/12/2024 09:00

I have been disabled my entire life, as a kid and even as a teenager getting access to a disabled space was a lot easier than it is now. I believe now with the intake of how many people can access a badge with many different conditions - the amount of disabled bays have stayed the same but the influx of badge holders have risen.

Between 2021-2022 there was a 25% increase in blue badge holders from the previous year, but there wasn’t a 25% increase in disabled parking spaces. It’s rising each year, but there is no increase in parking spaces.

I’m physically disabled and the difference between me not getting a close space often means I cannot physically go. I know people with ‘hidden’ disabilities like bowel diseases would feel the same about accessing a close space. I’m truly not blaming individuals for getting badges because if they at eligible they are entitled to one - but it’s within the government to know that an increase of blue badge holders should mean an increase of spaces for people to access.

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Perzival · 31/12/2024 00:22

SerendipityJane · 30/12/2024 16:08

Wheelchair or any other walking aid

Ds has a wheelchair which he doesn't always use, he does have physical needs as well as otber needs but can also run, jump and skip etc however when he's tired, in pain or just had enough he will just sit down or require carrying - hes about 5ft 8. On the occasions where he walks he requires the car door open fully in order to get out.

Anyone caring for him also requires the door to be fully open so they can put his seat belt on/ fasten his celling harness. He has two carers when he goes out both may need to get down the side of the car with him.

If it was to go strictly on diagnosis he would require wide bays when/if he uses his chair for physical need or safety depending and wide spaces when walking for his autism dx.

Limiting wide spaces to just those with walking aids would miss a particular group of people who because they are unable to advocate for themselves and their carers are too exhausted, already get left out of a lot of conversations in regards to disability and provision.

mumwithallthebooks · 31/12/2024 00:43

Round here, there are rarely disabled bays free. I've had my blue badge over 20 years and have noticed it becoming harder and harder to find spaces, which correlates with the broadening of the eligibility criteria. It makes going out extremely difficult.

verysmellyjelly · 31/12/2024 08:59

mumwithallthebooks · 31/12/2024 00:43

Round here, there are rarely disabled bays free. I've had my blue badge over 20 years and have noticed it becoming harder and harder to find spaces, which correlates with the broadening of the eligibility criteria. It makes going out extremely difficult.

Yes, except apparently that isn't happening according to many on this thread. Those of us like you and I who experience it are just supposed to shut up and suffer in silence because how dare we talk about the actual negative experiences of being a disabled person in a deeply ableist society.

Expletive · 31/12/2024 09:18

2Rebecca · 30/12/2024 14:26

They are empty at many supermarkets, leisure centres, public car parks.

Today in my local town centre.

To think there is not enough disabled bays for how many badge users there are
Sirzy · 31/12/2024 09:20

Expletive · 31/12/2024 09:18

Today in my local town centre.

Which doesn’t look like it is in the U.K.?

and even so a pretty empty car park having two empty disabled spaces doesn’t change the lived experience of those who are trying to go about their lives needing disabled parking.

BIossomtoes · 31/12/2024 09:36

verysmellyjelly · 31/12/2024 08:59

Yes, except apparently that isn't happening according to many on this thread. Those of us like you and I who experience it are just supposed to shut up and suffer in silence because how dare we talk about the actual negative experiences of being a disabled person in a deeply ableist society.

That’s a big inference which isn’t justified. I think it might depend on where you live. I can say, hand on heart, that where I live at least half the disabled spaces are empty every time I visit the supermarket or walk through the car park two minutes from where I live. It might be that this local authority planning department requires a higher ratio of disabled spaces but they’re definitely underused.

notedbiscuits · 31/12/2024 09:41

One thing that I don't understand is why in some car parks, the disabled spaces are further away from the entrance(s) than the parent n child ones?

I also think some people are borrowing their relatives' BBs as they can't be bothered in parking further away or some car parks, BBs means zero car parking charges too. BBs should only be used if the holder is leaving the car or being collected, such as a hospital.

I often see people park in disabled bays when an non disabled person leaves the car - leaving at least the BB holder and others in the car, just to pop into a supermarket to buy a few bits.

WeWillGetThereInTheEnd · 31/12/2024 09:45

Today in my local town centre.

This is hardly the average time of year! By Christmas, I’ve had enough of shopping - I don’t like the sales anyway. There’s no comparison between our high street now, and as it was, the week before Christmas. Also, people with health conditions, such as heart disease may not want to go out in the cold so much, as they do at times of year, when the weather is milder!

Anyway, round here, we can never assume we’ll go out and get a blue badge space. I remember in a Mcdonald’s car park once, there was one of those smallish gardening lorries, parked horizontally across two blue badge spaces.

Samcro · 31/12/2024 09:45

Expletive · 31/12/2024 09:18

Today in my local town centre.

wow
2 empty bays. how dreadful.
(((sarcastic)))

SerendipityJane · 31/12/2024 11:02

Expletive · 31/12/2024 09:18

Today in my local town centre.

Is that in the UK ?

ScholesPanda · 31/12/2024 11:06

YANBU if this is your experience.

My personal experience is that it very much depends on the venue- some have loads of empty bays, some none at all.

Only point I would make is that surely adding more bays falls victim to diminishing returns though, given you inevitably get further an further away from the entrance?

SerendipityJane · 31/12/2024 11:07

One thing that I don't understand is why in some car parks, the disabled spaces are further away from the entrance(s) than the parent n child ones?

Because it removes the incentive for lazy cunts to abuse them. Same way moving them away from cashpoints reduces abuse (inside gossip from a store manager there).

The same way charging normal rates for BB parking removes the temptation for people to "borrow" grandmas badge.

Jabtastic · 31/12/2024 11:31

SerendipityJane · 31/12/2024 11:07

One thing that I don't understand is why in some car parks, the disabled spaces are further away from the entrance(s) than the parent n child ones?

Because it removes the incentive for lazy cunts to abuse them. Same way moving them away from cashpoints reduces abuse (inside gossip from a store manager there).

The same way charging normal rates for BB parking removes the temptation for people to "borrow" grandmas badge.

In our area the parking is fully charged not free. I wonder is this the reasoning for charging for it.

JubileeJuice · 31/12/2024 11:33

notedbiscuits · 31/12/2024 09:41

One thing that I don't understand is why in some car parks, the disabled spaces are further away from the entrance(s) than the parent n child ones?

I also think some people are borrowing their relatives' BBs as they can't be bothered in parking further away or some car parks, BBs means zero car parking charges too. BBs should only be used if the holder is leaving the car or being collected, such as a hospital.

I often see people park in disabled bays when an non disabled person leaves the car - leaving at least the BB holder and others in the car, just to pop into a supermarket to buy a few bits.

How on earth do you know that the non disabled person is leaving the car? You see this often? Do you quiz them every time?

DinosaurMunch · 31/12/2024 11:41

thecherryfox · 29/12/2024 10:37

There’s a clear correlation with people who park in disabled bays without a badge, and child spaces without a child - it’s the people who have expensive cars and entitled behaviour. It’s always the people with the ‘decent’ cars who don’t want to have their car scratched in a normal space, or generally because they’re large range rovers who technically don’t fit in normal spaces so they think they’re entitled to use disabled and parent and child spaces. I know of people who do this and get fined, but because a £70 fine is like a pound to them, they’ll continue to do it.

Yes it's people with huge cars who abuse these spaces. Parent and child spaces are a free for all. Disabled spaces are more respected though.

If there are specific places that lack of disabled parking is a problem, have you tried contacting them to ask for better disabled parking provision? If that doesn't work then try the council. That would probably be the most effective way to get a change

DinosaurMunch · 31/12/2024 11:55

WeWillGetThereInTheEnd · 30/12/2024 23:10

DD also has an epileptic encephalopathy - she’s gone from being like a normal 16 year old, to being like an 18 month old, with practically no short term memory. She’s likely only to understand only the last word in any sentence and forget that within 30 seconds. She’s lost most of her vocabulary and often we can’t work out what she is trying to say. She might say “I want some circles!” She means biscuits.

She too could go into status, suffer brain damage and die within a few hours, or suffer Sudden Death in Epilepsy - although it’s most likely on her own in the night. She has a video, audio and mattress monitor all night, plus staff awake all night, and 1:1 care all her waking hours in the care home where she lives, but she comes home 30% of the time.

Worst of all in many ways, are the drop attacks - a type of seizure where all the muscles relax without warning, and she falls down unconscious. These can cause head/neck/back injuries, broken teeth, fractures and soft tissue injuries. She’s had at least 20 skull x rays, 2 CT head scans, countless times concussion, numerous dental x rays and multiple x rays of most bones.

June, she had a drop attack in a supermarket. She knocked me over - knocking me out, dislocating and breaking 2 fingers. She was lying unconscious on the floor. Bystanders called 2 ambulances. Virtually every chain store/supermarket has called 999 to her. If she walks close to fridges, she falls down head first onto the shop’s tiled floor, as cold is a major trigger for seizures. Then she could be lying in a pool of blood, screaming her head off. She does wear head protection, but it doesn’t protect the face, teeth or chin. She’s had stitches along her chin three times. At one time, she used to fall onto the eye socket in particular.

We keep a wheelchair in the car, so that if she falls and is either semi conscious or only suffering a non 999 injury, one of us can go back to the car, get the wheelchair and we can wheel her back to the car, and drive to the Minor Injuries Unit. She can strip from the waist down during the seizure - it can very hard to get her back to the car, partially undressed in February on the high street, when she’s fighting me. Aggression can occur before, during and after a seizure. She can push me over, or punch DH in the stomach. Irritability and aggression are symptoms of the syndrome she has. Sometimes we take her round the shops in a wheelchair, just to provide relief from the stress. However she needs weight bearing exercise to strengthen her bones, as the drugs cause osteoporosis young.

On December 23rd, she was putting the Xmas tree up and fell down unconscious. We spent 8 hours waiting for an ambulance and 24 hours in A & E, while they did x rays of her hips; and the neck of femur, knee, ankle and foot down one leg - because she can tell us she is in pain, but not where. It’s guesswork. They found two small, but painful fractures. She’s now on oramorph, and in a wheelchair because walking, even with a boot on, is so painful for her.

Two care agencies said it’s too stressful for one of their care workers to look after her on their own. Where she lives has a team of nurses on duty 24/7, and doctors in the daytime to look after her, if anything happens - although they have to send her to A & E for x rays, etc. We all have post traumatic stress from seeing in particular, the injuries with blood everywhere.

This all sounds tragic and incredibly difficult. But surely she shouldn't be going to the supermarket or round the shops at all - what on earth for? It's dangerous for her, you and others in the supermarket. It sounds very stressful and not of any benefit. And there's no need if she's not living with you as you can go shopping at other times.

lleeggoo · 31/12/2024 11:59

This all sounds tragic and incredibly difficult. But surely she shouldn't be going to the supermarket or round the shops at all - what on earth for?

Of course. How dare you take your disabled child out - keep her at home. Always.

EmmaMaria · 31/12/2024 12:01

lleeggoo · 31/12/2024 11:59

This all sounds tragic and incredibly difficult. But surely she shouldn't be going to the supermarket or round the shops at all - what on earth for?

Of course. How dare you take your disabled child out - keep her at home. Always.

Quite. It's just appalling how all these disabled people want to go out and then expect to be able to park and get out of their vehicle as well. The bloody nerve of them.

SerendipityJane · 31/12/2024 12:18

lleeggoo · 31/12/2024 11:59

This all sounds tragic and incredibly difficult. But surely she shouldn't be going to the supermarket or round the shops at all - what on earth for?

Of course. How dare you take your disabled child out - keep her at home. Always.

That's what it was like when I was growing up.

And that is where we are returning.

Ratfinkstinkypink · 31/12/2024 12:25

SerendipityJane · 31/12/2024 12:18

That's what it was like when I was growing up.

And that is where we are returning.

We haven't really ever left.

DinosaurMunch · 31/12/2024 12:27

lleeggoo · 31/12/2024 11:59

This all sounds tragic and incredibly difficult. But surely she shouldn't be going to the supermarket or round the shops at all - what on earth for?

Of course. How dare you take your disabled child out - keep her at home. Always.

The poster said that the child has the understanding of an 18 month old, lives in a care home, and has serious accidents requiring hospital visits every time she goes near a supermarket fridge. And the whole family have PTSD from the horror of the injuries. Whose interest is it supposed to be in to go to the supermarket? This is clearly nothing to do with parking space.

Obviously if said disabled child was enjoying the supermarket trip, or it was necessary to go because she was always with parents, or even if she could do the trip without major injuries, that would be different!

Going out to for example a park with grass might be a better idea in this specific scenario.

DinosaurMunch · 31/12/2024 12:36

lleeggoo · 31/12/2024 11:59

This all sounds tragic and incredibly difficult. But surely she shouldn't be going to the supermarket or round the shops at all - what on earth for?

Of course. How dare you take your disabled child out - keep her at home. Always.

I mean, as the parent of a non disabled child, if there was an activity they were doing that resulted in multiple A and E trips, fractures, stitches, ambulances and me being knocked out, I wouldn't let them do the activity. Especially if they didn't want or need to do the activity. Surely you minimise the risk of harm to your child? If that means not taking them shopping then that's just how it is?

WeWillGetThereInTheEnd · 31/12/2024 12:43

I often see people park in disabled bays when an non disabled person leaves the car - leaving at least the BB holder and others in the car, just to pop into a supermarket to buy a few bits.

See my earlier post. If we take Dd out, I could take her (the Blue Badge holder) into a shop, while DH stays in the car, because he is suffering angina and is finding it hard to breathe. (Do not talk to me, about how he should go to A & E, because he won’t go, as he’s sick of the place, after all our experiences there with her). A blue badge is to allow its holder, easy access to facilities - which she is doing. So, as she looks “normal”, people wrongly assume she is fine, when if they asked her a simple question, they’d soon realise she isn’t; and in reality she has a severe, life threatening condition.

I wish people wouldn’t make snap judgments about who is, or isn’t disabled, as they have no conception of what rare conditions, there are - she wouldn’t be given a blue badge, benefits, etc just on the papers, without any face to face assessments, if she didn’t meet the criteria.

WeWillGetThereInTheEnd · 31/12/2024 13:15

Obviously if said disabled child was enjoying the supermarket trip, or it was necessary to go because she was always with parents, or even if she could do the trip without major injuries, that would be different!

She loves going shopping - and being able to choose food for meals, when she has so little control in her life. Besides which, most injuries occur inside our house or the care home. Quite a lot of our furniture has got broken, including the bath.

Boredom and inactivity increase seizures. It’s better to have 10 seizures a day, than 90! It’s been said before, by HCPs “She cannot live in a soft play environment!” and “She’s to live a normal life. Don’t try to wrap her in cottonwool. You’ll only get behaviour problems!” and “She cannot live in hospital!”

Her behaviour can get a whole lot worse than it is now!

Davros · 31/12/2024 13:29

Sorry, I haven't RTFT but would point out that disabled bays are not the only places a blue badge can be used. Where I live it is fully controlled parking but blue badges can be used in all residents' bays for an indefinite length of time and in P&D for at least 3 hours. We live very near a big hospital that has very limited parking and our streets are filled with blue badge parkers. It's inconvenient but they're allowed

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