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This country as gone into terminal decline

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Carmes · 29/12/2024 08:38

I have 2 young children in school.

I am becoming more and more anxious about what sort of jobs / careers they will have open to them.

I work for very large company with 10,000s of employees.

20 years ago whe I started work here there would be 100s of entry level jobs at any given time. These are jobs that don't require experience or a degree, ideal for a school leaver, and I know dozens of people who started their career this way.

Now there are maybe 10 jobs that would fit the same criteria.so. All the jobs have been offshored.
Now are the vacancies are for very specific technical skill set or experience.

This doesn't bode well for someone who has left school at 18'or even university.

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penelopelondon · 29/12/2024 11:03

Lentilweaver · 29/12/2024 10:56

As an Asian immigrant, it's surreal to see the UK becoming more Asian in some ways:
Multi generational living
GP having to provide childcare because it's too expensive
Parents having to support DC way into adulthood both financially and emotionally.

I have defied the Asian in me and advised both my DC not to have kids. They wont have a good life.

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I'm an immigrant in the UK from Spain, have always worked and paid my taxes in this country, British people are not having children because as you say it's too expensive, now in the UK we have a huge aging population of pensioners and a shrinking work force, the struggle is real, and that's when immigrants come in handy: we come to this country and pay our taxes. I'm really sick and tired of the anti immigrant narrative.

Strikeoutnow · 29/12/2024 11:03

No, we don't need immigrants economically

🤦‍♀️ it’s impossible to even have a debate when you get this type of response @rainingsnoring

All the figures seem to agree that our birth rate is falling, so how can we be needing more and more houses, jobs, health facilities?
Is it rocket science to suggest that if the birth rate is falling but the population is rising that a great deal of that must be because of immigration.

You don’t think life expectancy has changed at all?

rainingsnoring · 29/12/2024 11:03

Strikeoutnow · 29/12/2024 10:59

This is a lazy trope . I'm sure pensioners have earnt their state pension by working to pay for the pensioners of their time .
Far too many on the sick , mental health is the bad back of today . We are also paying for the feckless draining resources not just in benefits but services propping up their chaotic lives .

No it isn’t a lazy trope, reread what you said. Think logically about how much tax you would have to pay to fund a state pension and a free healthcare model & average salaries. It’s fine when the group paying it forward is bigger not when it starts switching.

Yes, simple maths.
Current pensioners paid no where near enough but are asking a much smaller generation of young workers to pay for them, despite everything else already being far more expensive now than it was previously. The figures simply don't add up.

bestcatlife · 29/12/2024 11:04

There aren't enough jobs @terracottacountryfarm

Doggymummar · 29/12/2024 11:04

M0rnington · 29/12/2024 09:04

Doing what?

Social media, marketing, accounting, pretty much any office based job can be done digitally. Solicitor customer service endless list

AsTheLightFades · 29/12/2024 11:05

rainingsnoring · 29/12/2024 11:00

'I'm sure pensioners have earnt their state pension by working to pay for the pensioners of their time.'
You are sure? You are wrong. They haven't paid anywhere near enough if you actually look at the figures. Indeed, many women barely worked at all.

Again, we have a major demographic problem.
Why do you think so many people are claiming sick benefits? Think about it.

Get your facts straight and rein in your ignorance.
Most of us have paid enough - in my case, 44 years of full NI and tax contributions, so yes, I am entitled to my fcking pension.
Maybe in the 60s and 70 'barely any women worked', but that hasn't been the case for decades now.
God, no wonder this world is regressing - all those who know nothing asserting crap opinions

onehundredandonepaws · 29/12/2024 11:05

Dreamingofgoldfinchlane · 29/12/2024 11:02

Where do you live?

Northern Europe

terracottacountryfarm · 29/12/2024 11:05

bestcatlife · 29/12/2024 11:04

There aren't enough jobs @terracottacountryfarm

There are plenty of jobs out there. I've worked in recruitment and seen it firsthand myself, business are crying out for workers but there is not enough people wanting to work.

rainingsnoring · 29/12/2024 11:05

Strikeoutnow · 29/12/2024 11:03

No, we don't need immigrants economically

🤦‍♀️ it’s impossible to even have a debate when you get this type of response @rainingsnoring

All the figures seem to agree that our birth rate is falling, so how can we be needing more and more houses, jobs, health facilities?
Is it rocket science to suggest that if the birth rate is falling but the population is rising that a great deal of that must be because of immigration.

You don’t think life expectancy has changed at all?

It's depressing isn't it?
Much better to blame brown people right?

Hollyandgrinch · 29/12/2024 11:06

Thriwit · 29/12/2024 10:54

Both my young teens have already decided that their future is elsewhere. Both bright (top sets) and looking at computer science or engineering. DS has been learning Polish because he thinks he’ll be heading over that way, DD has been attempting both Korean and Mandarin, but isn’t sure how she’d get on as a woman over there. The US is their backup. It’s frustrating that they’re having to do French at school and not a more useful language tbh.
For reference, we have no connection to any of these countries. And none of this has come from me!

Tricky if you have a preexisting health condition. My daughter has type 1 diabetes developed at age 14 so it would cost £££ for her to emigrate.

rainingsnoring · 29/12/2024 11:06

AsTheLightFades · 29/12/2024 11:05

Get your facts straight and rein in your ignorance.
Most of us have paid enough - in my case, 44 years of full NI and tax contributions, so yes, I am entitled to my fcking pension.
Maybe in the 60s and 70 'barely any women worked', but that hasn't been the case for decades now.
God, no wonder this world is regressing - all those who know nothing asserting crap opinions

There's always one! 😂
You need to calm down and go and look at the figures.

Mespher · 29/12/2024 11:07

A lot of this is now though, I thought OP was talking about in 10 or 15 years as she said young children in school.

Thriwit · 29/12/2024 11:07

twistyizzy · 29/12/2024 10:56

We are encouraging DD to look at US for universities.

The problem with US universities is that they’re so so expensive. As is uni in the U.K. I’m a scientist, it does not pay well (well enough that they won’t get any assistance; not well enough that I have £000s to spare). Eastern Europe seems much more affordable.

Onceuponatime9 · 29/12/2024 11:07

soupfiend · 29/12/2024 09:31

Renting isnt 'the norm' in 'europe'

Depending on the country we have lower home ownership levels than many countries and even in countries where the majority of people rent, the spread is pretty even between home owners and renters.

Its not even the norm in the south east, with the majority being home owners although the south east is a big region so there are variations within this.

Our old neighbours sold a huge house in the country having retired & paid their mortgage. They now rent a modest flat in the city centre & although they could have bought it outright they are happy to invest their money & continue renting their long-term unfurnished flat. They have all their own belongings in it & have been told the landlord has no intentions of selling. There is nothing wrong with renting if the glove fits.

Bettyboo111 · 29/12/2024 11:08

MikeRafone · 29/12/2024 10:47

The construction industry maybe, but for domestic jobs there is defiantly a need and shortage or these tradespeople

There is a severe downturn in domestic demand.
Any recession always hits the construction industry first.
I know DP has seen profits down by 20% from the previous year. People are being very cautious, especially after the Labour Party's poor start to government. It's not a lack of staff; it's what the business needs to turnover to exist versus customer expectations.

P00hsticks · 29/12/2024 11:09

Thepeopleversuswork · 29/12/2024 10:19

@LutherVandrossessuit

That’s all hunky dory if you want to be a plumber or an electrician but not everyone can or wants to do that?

I am tired of “get a job as a plumber or electrician” being presented as the silver bullet answer to every problem.

What about kids whose skills and interests lie in the knowledge or creative skills. People are talking as if they have no right to be employed.

The UK had historically been very strong in these areas. If we disincentivize kids from working in these industries because everyone should be a plumber or electrician we are doing them and our economy a massive disservice.

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I may be wrong, but I thought that the UK is at the forefront of many creative areas in the film and gaming world ?

I'm not sure that it has ever been easy for creatives such as artists and writers, and those who graduated in subjects like history, philosophy etc to land secure well paid jobs.

IcedPurple · 29/12/2024 11:09

penelopelondon · 29/12/2024 10:48

Not true, all governments are creating a "digital nomad visa" where you can be a legal resident for a year while enjoying your UK salary, I'm from Spain and our government recently implemented this visa. It's beneficial for the governments of less advantaged countries to have young people working online and spending their UK salaries on the local area. Many of these kids are settling in small towns, non touristic costal and rural areas and boosting the economies there hence why the governments are giving away digital nomad visas like candy.

Just because you can get a visa doesn't mean that it's practical or even possible to work abroad for a British business. For tax and legal reasons, many British companies will not allow employees to work outside the country on a full time basis.

"Digital nomads" do exist, but they are a tiny minority of the overall workforce.

WomanFromTheNorth · 29/12/2024 11:09

Unfettered global capitalism. Once the likes of Elon Musk get their way, it will only get worse.

paranoidnamechanger · 29/12/2024 11:10

Fetchthevet · 29/12/2024 11:02

We're always going to need health care professionals and carers. Maybe your children would like to go down that route OP.

Problem is though is that not everyone wants to do those jobs and they’re very underpaid. I don’t have kids but if I did I would be very frightened about their futures because of the very real threats of climate change and AI.

rainingsnoring · 29/12/2024 11:10

Bettyboo111 · 29/12/2024 11:08

There is a severe downturn in domestic demand.
Any recession always hits the construction industry first.
I know DP has seen profits down by 20% from the previous year. People are being very cautious, especially after the Labour Party's poor start to government. It's not a lack of staff; it's what the business needs to turnover to exist versus customer expectations.

I'm not surprised by what you say at all. I would be surprised we are not in official recession next year and ongoing!

twistyizzy · 29/12/2024 11:10

Thriwit · 29/12/2024 11:07

The problem with US universities is that they’re so so expensive. As is uni in the U.K. I’m a scientist, it does not pay well (well enough that they won’t get any assistance; not well enough that I have £000s to spare). Eastern Europe seems much more affordable.

UK unis are only going to get more expensive and will likely end up where US ones are.

OneZippyWasp · 29/12/2024 11:11

Too many lazy folk of working age relying on benefits and claiming mental health as reasons not to work are the ones who drain the resources in the UK. They’re an embarrassment as they sit on their backsides watching daytime TV on their huge TV screens and smoking fags and weed.

People who travel from other countries to work/live over here must think the British are a laughing stock. People from other countries are often fluent in two or more languages. They’re hard working and they have got more self respect than the lazy feckers in the UK.

Strikeoutnow · 29/12/2024 11:11

@Miley1967 there is a weird narrative that all pensioners only receive a state pension and no other benefits. Often by the same people who criticise the lazy and the work shy, do they think that group all of sudden change their mindset when they hit retirement?

OneAmberFinch · 29/12/2024 11:11

GaleGirl · 29/12/2024 10:57

Did I read that 25% of money going to a Local Authority is paid in pension to former employees?
This cannot be sustained.

A country that stops providing for the productive, working populace will soon be unable to provide for the dependent, non-working populace too - no matter how deserving they are.

Hollyandgrinch · 29/12/2024 11:11

All retraining as plumbers or electricians isn't the answer. These are service industries which support a thriving economy.

We need industries that generate wealth for the country like manufacturing, energy and banking.

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