This country as gone into terminal decline

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I have 2 young children in school.

I am becoming more and more anxious about what sort of jobs / careers they will have open to them.

I work for very large company with 10,000s of employees.

20 years ago whe I started work here there would be 100s of entry level jobs at any given time. These are jobs that don't require experience or a degree, ideal for a school leaver, and I know dozens of people who started their career this way.

Now there are maybe 10 jobs that would fit the same criteria.so. All the jobs have been offshored.
Now are the vacancies are for very specific technical skill set or experience.

This doesn't bode well for someone who has left school at 18'or even university.

We never needed all these degrees.

I am sorry, you totally miss the point. Our British system leeches are our responsibility - crystal clear. We, as a society collectively did not teach them what is right and what is wrong, or did not give them opportunities, etc. Also, the great-grand parents and grand-parents of these leeches worked and contributed to the creation of the UK - there was no socialised system in those days, so their ancestors paid in for them, in advance, so to say. We also have a responsibility towards our former colonials and the system leeches from there - without a doubt, let us not start a debate on this one. But how on earth are we responsible for Putin's leeches? Or Polish/Romanian/Bulgarian/Estonian/Latvian/Lithuanian leeches? Never colonised them, never benefited from them like from our former colonies.

I have a lot of US family and also am a member of some US social boards hence I see the narrative is the same everywhere (except the US underclass is far larger and poorer.)

Very true. Many have been successfully brain washed.

I do not entirely recognise the picture painted by this thread. Our DC aged 30 and 26, have good professional jobs, both in education, they made very few applications. Their partners are exactly the same.

You probably live in an expensive bubble!

Interesting thread. Those of you in your 20s/30s struggling to get on the housing ladder should look into shared ownership. If you're older but have kids that age tell then to look into it too

I agree @JHound. The disparity in the US is even worse than in the UK but the elites continue to hide this story beneath the 'growth' headlines. It's despicable. The suicide rates in young males in the US are shocking.

People need to pay more tax so we can build a better Britain again but no Govt is brave enough to do this and the Uk public don't want it.

All of the disadvantages of homeownership with none of the advantages ?

I did look into it at one point when I got divorced and I had a chunk of equity. I wasn’t sure where to put.

The issue is that the other half of the share rises at the same rate as House price inflation so if we could’ve agreed the day I moved into the property the house was worth £300,000 and I would pay 150 of it rent the other half until I was able to raise the other 150 then absolutely fine would’ve gone ahead.
But by the time I would be able to raise the other 150 working on rough calculations the house would’ve been worth 600,000 and I would’ve had to have found £450,000 for a house that was worth 300 the day I moved into it. And paid rent for the 10 -15 years.

Also, the great-grand parents and grand-parents of these leeches worked and contributed to the creation of the UK

I blame the parents then!

Indeed. There are always exceptions to every rule. Lots of people (often very privileged Londoners, but not exclusively) living in their own little bubble who haven't lifted their blinkers enough to notice everyone else!

Can't you see the difference? They are British leeches - we are responsible for them. They are family, so to say. Like in my family there are worker bees and there are some drones. We let those drones leech of us/take the piss, because at some point in the past they were nice to my grandma, or me when I was a kid - that is what makes us a British society, a family. But leeches from outside of our area of responsibility are categorically not our concern - we can't help the whole world, I am afraid, even if it would be nice, without a doubt.

Has anyone notice the frequent amount on online adverts popping asking you to start an online business whether be drop shipping, tik tok shop or running short-term lets?

Then you see influencers on social media flaunting their income by doing the very things advertised.

Has anyone here had any success with this?

They crap on about growth all the time. Which makes me think they don't understand that it's a stupid, pointless concept that has nothing to do with human or environmental flourishing.

I can't say I have seen any signs of any socialism in any of their policies.

I think you are on totally the wrong train here.

Degrees have become increasingly unrelated to all of the things they used to give people,, which is to say deep knowledge of basic subjects and their methodologies, and high order thinking skills in relation to these subjects.

The first part of that is becoming less common with many degrees, which are more tick box exercises. The sciences have held on somewhat but in social sciences and humanities it can be very bad at some universities.

The high order thinking skills no longer seem to be something that it is easy to find at all in many universities.

What many universities are doing now is at best technical type training (albeit very expensively,) and very often it's just credentialism. Between student attitudes, AI, and accommodations, there is very little really indicated when you see a potential employee has a degree.

In my children's generation here in North America what I am seeing is increasingly they are looking at going straight to more technical types of training, without bothering with university which will leave them with a lot of debt - debt which their salaries won't justify.

Employers are a little behind on this, many of them, but I think are starting to catch on - the young people coming out of university have higher salary demands, their skills aren't all that great, and maybe more importantly, their attitude to work is pretty unrealistic. Increasingly they are better off to train themselves or look for students from diploma programs, trades, or even from a military background, all of whom understand that they need to work.

Or import tax paying, net contrubutor immigrants. There are many where we are in London. DH is one such.
Immigrants aren't just care workers and fruit pickers. Many are high earners.

I did it and it's brilliant imo. Works out way cheaper than renting a similar property in this area with no risk of eviction if a landlord wants to sell. Ditto a mortgage which you need to save an insane deposit for. This is how I've managed to settle down and start a family despite being young and not rich.

Anyway just something for people to look into

I agree, on both of your points.

The hard work is when they get into the job. As with my own adult child. It’s putting in the hours and showing that they’ll work more than the bare minimum. The minimum gets you nowhere. And I speak as someone who got their law qualification as a single parent working 50+ hours a week as a paralegal whilst also studying through the night after I’d cared for my child and put them to bed for the night.

Younger people at work are very aware of MH issues but from experience (though other employment may be different) it’s on a weekly basis that they need to take time out for their MH, ‘just need some me time’ etc. I feel there’s perhaps a resilience issue sometimes.

My child also worked hard for their qualification which they haven’t used and gone into a completely different area of work. An apprenticeship would have meant they didn’t have 50k of student debt. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I had cancer at age 50, that was 10 years ago, but according to @MyPithyPoster if I got cancer now I wouldn't deserve to live.🙄

Strange, with all the valuable engineers and doctors and nurses pouring in, we don't. Strange, that.

It may well have worked out for you, but it’s not financially savvy at all. You have the worst of both worlds. You’re paying a very high price for that security which may or may not be worth it to you.

I wouldn't worry about it when your children are so young. We're in the middle of an industrial revolution, there will be new types of jobs that don't exist yet by the time they're out hunting.

It was actually much worse in the 2008 crash than it now, because there were no jobs at all and all the experienced people were forced into entry level jobs for entry level pay. Many of our generation didn't get jobs for several years, each job had several hundred applications. Now I have the opposite problem and can't find people to hire despite a 30k starting salary in the north, 2 bonuses a year, and fully work from home.

*People need to pay more tax so we can build a better Britain again but no Govt is brave enough to do this and the Uk public don't want it.

yep

Please pay no attention to stupid posters, they are vile.