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AIBU to think that this might be the end of Bridezilla-style weddings? [Contains spoiler for the Gavin & Stacey Christmas special - added by MNHQ]

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BarkLife · 27/12/2024 17:49

In 1965 (bear with me!) A Charlie Brown Christmas was broadcast on US TV. It featured a rather anaemic-looking real Christmas tree. Sales of 'fake' trees plummeted in the USA.

Watching the Gavin and Stacey Christmas episode, alongside over 12 million others, I wondered if perhaps a similar fate might befall extremely 'showy' Instaweddings. Given that Smithy's jilted bride is now the most reviled person in the UK, might people now opt for karaoke and close friends/family Smithy-and-Nessa style, instead of a Bridezilla-ish 'big do'?

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Threetrees745 · 28/12/2024 14:19

SabreIsMyFave · 28/12/2024 11:58

I do get you @BarkLife But I disagree. These showy, super-expensive, 'stately home/castle' type weddings that are 12 fucking hours long are not going to stop because of Smithy ditching Sonia at the altar in Gavin and Stacey.

150 or more guests, a 5 day long hen party in Croatia, a £3000 wedding dress, a £5000 engagement ring, a honeymoon in the Caribbean, £1500 on a photographer etc. People do it for show, and to look all big and clever and fancy, and for all the great insta shots and the like!

And I have to say - although it's a cliché - the majority of couples I know who had big fancy showy weddings are now divorced/separated, and the ones who had a tiny wedding that cost as very little (with just 20 or so people) are still together.

Tale as old as time. And not based in myth, but fact. Statistics show that the more you spend on a wedding, the more likely you are to break up and divorce. It's not a GIVEN, but it is more likely. That's just a fact I'm afraid, even if the 'we spent £35K on our wedding and invited 200 people' brigade don't like to hear it.

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God you will absolutely hate me!

200 people at the wedding, 4 days in Warsaw for the hen, African safari for the honeymoon and not even going to tell you what the engagement ring cost.

I don't understand the inverse snobbery on this subject. If you can afford the above and want the above, why would you deliberately choose less? To satisfy some people who think spending money on anything is a waste of time?

We spent money on the above because we like it and enjoy it. It doesn't mean my husband loves me any less or vice versa. We both work hard, my dad worked hard all his days and he wanted to pay for something special as it made him feel good. We want to enjoy nice things, Especially on the special days of our lives.

Most weddings I have been to have been large, lavish affairs and a really lovely party atmosphere. I loved picking out my outfit and planning a gift for every one of them and genuinely look forward to a beautiful day out.
The only small wedding I have been to was bizarre and was clearly only small because the bride and groom had to got together by having an affair so they obviously didn't have a lot of people who wished to celebrate with them.

EatingHealthy · 28/12/2024 16:02

Threetrees745 · 28/12/2024 14:19

God you will absolutely hate me!

200 people at the wedding, 4 days in Warsaw for the hen, African safari for the honeymoon and not even going to tell you what the engagement ring cost.

I don't understand the inverse snobbery on this subject. If you can afford the above and want the above, why would you deliberately choose less? To satisfy some people who think spending money on anything is a waste of time?

We spent money on the above because we like it and enjoy it. It doesn't mean my husband loves me any less or vice versa. We both work hard, my dad worked hard all his days and he wanted to pay for something special as it made him feel good. We want to enjoy nice things, Especially on the special days of our lives.

Most weddings I have been to have been large, lavish affairs and a really lovely party atmosphere. I loved picking out my outfit and planning a gift for every one of them and genuinely look forward to a beautiful day out.
The only small wedding I have been to was bizarre and was clearly only small because the bride and groom had to got together by having an affair so they obviously didn't have a lot of people who wished to celebrate with them.

200 people to the wedding - fine (as long as not a destination wedding)
African safari - fine

Warsaw hen = spending other people's money (and annual leave). Very self-absorbed.

EatingHealthy · 28/12/2024 16:12

latetothefisting · 28/12/2024 12:18

Can you provide any source for these statistics? Because "the people i know" isn't very convincing I'm afraid.

Apart from anything else, "still together" doesn't automatically equal "happy and healthy marriage." Look how many threads are on here where the love and respect has clearly broken down but the woman can't leave because of the kids or because she can't afford it.

https://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/13/living/wedding-expenses-study/index.html

There is actually research which shows a correlation between spend on a wedding and divorce, however correlation does not equal causation, of course, and long marriage duration does not equal happily married. Richer people will both have the means to spend more and find divorce less financially prohibitive if the marriage is not working.

Want a happy marriage? Have a big, cheap wedding | CNN

A new study found that couples who spend less on their wedding tend to have longer-lasting marriages than those who splurge.

https://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/13/living/wedding-expenses-study/index.html

Threetrees745 · 28/12/2024 16:20

EatingHealthy · 28/12/2024 16:02

200 people to the wedding - fine (as long as not a destination wedding)
African safari - fine

Warsaw hen = spending other people's money (and annual leave). Very self-absorbed.

I actually didn't plan my own hen and was surprised with the destination at the airport. So no, not self absorbed.
My bridesmaids planned it and made it clear if people didn't want or didn't feel able to come then they absolutely did not have to.

SabreIsMyFave · 28/12/2024 16:33

latetothefisting · 28/12/2024 12:18

Can you provide any source for these statistics? Because "the people i know" isn't very convincing I'm afraid.

Apart from anything else, "still together" doesn't automatically equal "happy and healthy marriage." Look how many threads are on here where the love and respect has clearly broken down but the woman can't leave because of the kids or because she can't afford it.

@latetothefisting

Source? With pleasure. It's a well documented fact. And whilst you say 'just because a couple who spent little on their wedding are still together, that doesn't mean they're happy' that's irrelevant. They are still together, and many are probably quite happy. Certainly happier than the ones who broke up (after spending stupid amounts of money on one day, to entertain and impress other people.) Nice try at trying to shit all over the facts, but you failed. Wink

First thing I googled said

'.....a weddings costing more than $20000 had the couples divorced at a rate roughly 1.6 times higher than weddings costing between $5000 and $10000....'

A 'source...' (As required. Wink)

Study Correlates Risk Of Divorce To Spending A Lot Of Money On Your Wedding

Study Correlates Risk Of Divorce To Spending A Lot Of Money On Your Wedding

The Bel Air family attorneys at Schlaich & Thompson, Chartered represent the interests of divorcing couples no matter how much you spent on your wedding. Call our office today to schedule an appointment.

https://www.stclaw.net/study-correlates-risk-of-divorce-to-spending-a-lot-of-money-on-your-wedding/#:~:text=A%20recent%20study%20indicates%20that,couples%20who%20kept%20it%20practical.

SabreIsMyFave · 28/12/2024 16:33

Another one @latetothefisting

Bigger the wedding, more likely the divorce? - Mercator

THAT article touches on why... It basically states that the kind of people who spend megabucks on a wedding are the type to be fussy and showy and want to impress people, and that 'perfectionist' attitude is likely to spill over into their marriage. Hence; more likely to divorce than a couple who spent a lot less money.

The 'less money on a wedding' brigade are not so desperate to impress and try to make people think they're rich. THAT attitude spills over into married life, with the couple less likely to be wanting bigger, better, things and to be happy with what they've got. Not 'settling' but just not trying to be something they're not/not trying to make people think they're something they're not.

There are loads of articles about this on the internet. Google is your friend. As I said, it's a well documented fact, that the more you spend on a wedding, the more likely you are to divorce, whether the 'massive spends on wedding' brigade care to admit it or not.

I'm not saying massive wedding budget = will divorce for sure. But it IS more likely.

Not sure why you (and others) are getting uptight about this. If YOU are a 'big spends on a wedding' couple and you're still together many years later, then this is not about you is it? So why so salty?

Dontlletmedownbruce · 28/12/2024 16:40

I would think that big wedding / divorce statistic is hugely over simplified and it's more to do with class. The expensive wedding is more normal in wealthier classes therefore if divorce rates are higher it's because for whatever reason that class has more marriage breakdown. The wedding cost is only a reflection of that. Also people with less money are often unable to separate or get divorced for financial reasons.

DdraigGoch · 28/12/2024 17:22

LynetteScavo · 28/12/2024 10:42

I agree that it was Charles and Diana's wedding which sparked the fashion for big weddings. So cultural events do have an impact, I'm not sure Gavin and Stacey will have quite the same impact, though.

So few people seem to get married these days, and the cost of a house deposit means there are more important things for most people than a lavish wedding. My teen DD has told me she wants a whole orchestra at her wedding, so I sincerely hope the fashion is for low key weddings in 10-15 years. Grin

It was Queen Victoria's marriage which spread the fashion for white dresses - a fashion that extended beyond the UK. That hasn't substantially changed since.

CaptainMyCaptain · 28/12/2024 17:30

MolkosTeenageAngst · 28/12/2024 10:57

I clicked on the thread because there was absolutely no indication it was about Gavin and Stacey. Without having seen the episode yet how would I know a thread titled ‘AIBU to think that this might be the end of Bridezilla-style weddings?’ would be about it? It wasn’t posted in the TV section and doesn’t mention the show in the title. I wouldn’t have clicked if it had mentioned the show in the title, and have been avoiding the threads which do. That’s why I’m annoyed; because there was no way to know this thread would have spoilers in the opening post until I had clicked and started reading it!

How did you imagine it would end? It was pretty certain to me what would happen just the bits in the middle that needed sorting out.

Globusmedia · 28/12/2024 17:37

Preference is a fine thing.

All the couple I know who had expensive weddings are still together and all the cheap weddings I've been to have been shit, but i couldn't give a fig what anyone else does for one day of their life.

DdraigGoch · 28/12/2024 17:37

derbiee · 28/12/2024 10:16

You do realise people have different weddings now and in the past and will in the future

No every couple has the same wedding as the next, but i do wonder if you are bored?

I think that the main point was Sonja's behaviour. I particularly noticed how she spoke to the photographer about trivial things (the photographer not being tall enough or some such bollocks)

CarefulN0w · 28/12/2024 17:39

I always assumed that the expensive and doomed to fail wedding statistics are the people who can't afford the £20k +++ or whatever it is and put themselves under ridiculous pressure in their attempts to out Beyoncé, Beyoncé.

MolkosTeenageAngst · 28/12/2024 17:40

I haven’t given much thought as to exactly how it would end, obviously it was jumping ahead 5 years from the last special so I didn’t know what would have happened in that time, I didn’t necessarilly expect that Smithy would be getting married in the episode or that he would jilt the bride or that she would be a bridezilla. Assuming the bride is the gf introduced at the last special I didn’t expect she’d still be in it and thought the episode would centre around the main characters. I didn’t need to know that he would have a bridezilla bride before watching or that he will leave her jilted, obviously haven’t seen it yet so not sure how much of a
big spoiler that is maybe it all happens in the first 10 minutes of the show and isn’t a big spoiler but it’s still annoying to know in advance!

Heidi2018 · 28/12/2024 17:46

@MolkosTeenageAngst it's annoying you are still here giving out! Just watch the episode

MolkosTeenageAngst · 28/12/2024 17:50

Heidi2018 · 28/12/2024 17:46

@MolkosTeenageAngst it's annoying you are still here giving out! Just watch the episode

I’m only replying to the posters who are directly quoting me as I get notifications which bring me straight to the post, I haven’t read anything else on the thread (aside from the first post). I will watch the episode but as I already said, I’m currently staying with family who aren’t interested, it would be a bit rude to just put their TV on and announce I’m watching a 90 minute show despite the fact they won’t want to watch it. I will watch it once I’m home!

Dontlletmedownbruce · 28/12/2024 20:39

Obviously in order to be a small wedding, many people who would otherwise be invited to a larger wedding must not be invited. The people I know that had the most conflict and family dramas were the ones who insisted on a small wedding, or where one person wanted small and the other had to compromise. It depends of course on your family, but not inviting your uncles or cousins because of an idea of a small simple wedding can be very controversial and not worth the image or vibe you are trying to create. It's better to start married life in harmony and with both families feeling happy and proud on the day, if that means a bigger wedding then so be it. It doesn't mean a showy one or a controlling bride.

whatcanthematterbe81 · 29/12/2024 10:02

Spent so much on mine and loved every second. Couldn't care less what anyone thinks tbf although some posts are pretty pathetic calling people who want a big wedding Bridezilla. Maybe we just like big parties and have a lot of friends. Christ.

LochKatrine · 29/12/2024 10:04

whatcanthematterbe81 · 29/12/2024 10:02

Spent so much on mine and loved every second. Couldn't care less what anyone thinks tbf although some posts are pretty pathetic calling people who want a big wedding Bridezilla. Maybe we just like big parties and have a lot of friends. Christ.

Having a big wedding doesn't make you a bridezilla, I think that's more about some brides and their attitude rather than the actual event.

CaptainMyCaptain · 29/12/2024 10:05

whatcanthematterbe81 · 29/12/2024 10:02

Spent so much on mine and loved every second. Couldn't care less what anyone thinks tbf although some posts are pretty pathetic calling people who want a big wedding Bridezilla. Maybe we just like big parties and have a lot of friends. Christ.

It's not the number of guests that is the problem it's the unreasonable controlling behaviour and obsession with petty details. If that's not you then I don't think anyone is talking about you. (Although personally I'd have spent the money on something else).

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