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To not let my sister bring her own meat on Christmas day!

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FelizNavidadAmiga · 20/12/2024 21:33

First off, we are a strictly vegan household for moral reasons. I invited my sister for Christmas lunch as she is recently divorced and has nowhere else to go. I usually put on a magnificent spread with roast vegetables, tagine, stuffed peppers, vine leaves, falafel, home made hummus etc. My sister has just sent me a message saying she's going to bring her own chicken to cook. AIBU to say no way! I don't want chicken cooking in my nice clean vegan oven! Plus the smell makes me feel ill 🤢 I don't want to upset her as she's very sensitive at the moment but surely she can do without chicken for 1 day.

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AuntieMillicent · 21/12/2024 11:08

ueberlin2030 · 21/12/2024 10:24

I'm mostly vegetarian and so wouldn't take actual meat. I'm also not keen on fake meat either though, for a variety of reasons - folk close enough to me to invite me know that anyway, and most veggie friends have some sort of vegetable/nut based roast with standard veggie accompaniments (just no dripping/goose fat etc). I wouldn't mind a meat eater quietly enjoying their turkey (or whatever) though.

I wouldn't mind either, if going to someoen else's house.

I wouldn't expect as a meat eater to take meat to a vegan household though. It's a philosophical belief rather than a food preference. I mean, if I went to a vegan BBQ and they had faux meat that I didn't like, it isn't likely to offend or upset them if I said I'd prefer to bring some peppers to roast instead.

ueberlin2030 · 21/12/2024 11:11

redboxer321 · 21/12/2024 11:08

Sorry to say but it's your choice of friends that is the problem @PerditaLaChien

I find the people who are not quiet about it are those who go on about eating seasonally, only eat meat from their friend's organic farm, don't eat anything that's travelled too many air miles and so on.
Not saying that is not important but the people who I have come across on MN that do this tend to be pretty nasty about vegans and want to cause trouble between meat eaters and non meat eaters.

So some vegans can repeatedly go on about their moral superiority but when anyone else mentions other ethical and environmentally friendlier ways of eating then you have an issue?
This is beyond laughable.
Anyone who thinks their way of eating is superior and/or makes them more 'moral' is actually quite deceived.

BrightonFrock · 21/12/2024 11:11

I would always go out of my way to prepare something special for a visiting vegan etc,often buying things i don't usually, and have on several occasions prepared foodstuffs I really don't enjoy myself (i detest tofu for example, the texture makes me want to puke!) to suit a visitor.

But surely you don’t have to eat the tofu yourself? You sound like you think you’re making some amazing sacrifice here.

Unless you have a moral objection to cooking tofu, it’s completely different to expecting a vegan to prepare meat.

Balloonhearts · 21/12/2024 11:13

WishinAndHopin · 21/12/2024 03:15

Read the bloody thread. Your comment has already been made and dealt with, over and over and OVER again. Tedious.

Who are you to say what's been 'dealt with?' She's allowed to disagree with what is considered restrictive.

ueberlin2030 · 21/12/2024 11:14

BrightonFrock · 21/12/2024 11:11

I would always go out of my way to prepare something special for a visiting vegan etc,often buying things i don't usually, and have on several occasions prepared foodstuffs I really don't enjoy myself (i detest tofu for example, the texture makes me want to puke!) to suit a visitor.

But surely you don’t have to eat the tofu yourself? You sound like you think you’re making some amazing sacrifice here.

Unless you have a moral objection to cooking tofu, it’s completely different to expecting a vegan to prepare meat.

It is actually a sacrifice to spend your money and time cooking 'food' you have no desire to eat.

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GRex · 21/12/2024 11:15

ueberlin2030 · 21/12/2024 10:25

Honestly, I'm not keen on most casseroles either.

Neither do I. I have more of an issue with tagine though because I don't like apricots, dates nor dried fruit, so the flavour profile in a typical tagine doesn't suit. Lamb does well in a tagine, but obviously isn't on offer, and I don't like that bland squish of tagine chickpeas. Vine leaves without meat, stuffed pepper without egg or cheese - ok, but missing the best bits. Houmous and falafel we have weekly, in pitta with nice salads and sauces (sometimes adding pepperoni or sweet lamb)..

I accept these are my preferences and perhaps it all sounds more exciting to posters who subsist solely on massive salads. The main issue though is that it's just a bit weird for a "Christmas dinner" invite and it's a few bits rather than a "feast". People expect wintery treats and lots of food, not a bog standard Moroccan daily meal. i suggested a bunch of more seasonal vegan dishes up thread, as there are loads, but it seems OP isn't interested.

ueberlin2030 · 21/12/2024 11:15

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I'm not the one with the problem here, as has been the case throughout.

BonneMaman77 · 21/12/2024 11:17

YANBU.
It is just rude to bring your own food when invited for a meal to someone’s house. If it doesn’t work for her then she can feel free to decline.

If it were me, Id be letting her know that she especially cannot bring things into your home and kitchen your family is not comfortable with. Divorce or not it is rude.

BrightonFrock · 21/12/2024 11:17

Nanny0gg · 21/12/2024 10:34

Not in my case I'm afraid

I know what the OP is offering is fine to most people but there's nothing there I would eat

If only there were some simple solution to that problem…

Nanny0gg · 21/12/2024 11:19

BrightonFrock · 21/12/2024 11:17

If only there were some simple solution to that problem…

Yes she can stay at home

But omnivores are supposed to cater for vegans and vegetarians.
Why isn't the reverse true? Especially if she brings it already cooked?
Or even on its own plate with her own cutlery?

BrightonFrock · 21/12/2024 11:19

GRex · 21/12/2024 11:15

Neither do I. I have more of an issue with tagine though because I don't like apricots, dates nor dried fruit, so the flavour profile in a typical tagine doesn't suit. Lamb does well in a tagine, but obviously isn't on offer, and I don't like that bland squish of tagine chickpeas. Vine leaves without meat, stuffed pepper without egg or cheese - ok, but missing the best bits. Houmous and falafel we have weekly, in pitta with nice salads and sauces (sometimes adding pepperoni or sweet lamb)..

I accept these are my preferences and perhaps it all sounds more exciting to posters who subsist solely on massive salads. The main issue though is that it's just a bit weird for a "Christmas dinner" invite and it's a few bits rather than a "feast". People expect wintery treats and lots of food, not a bog standard Moroccan daily meal. i suggested a bunch of more seasonal vegan dishes up thread, as there are loads, but it seems OP isn't interested.

Presumably she isn’t interested because the title of the thread wasn’t “What do you think of this menu?”. You’re answering a question nobody asked.

Balloonhearts · 21/12/2024 11:19

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Aren't you a delight. Someone disagrees with you and the only argument you can make is to call them stupid.

BrightonFrock · 21/12/2024 11:20

I don’t know anyone who wouldn’t want a particular food in their house.

Erm… congratulations?

Seriously, what’s your point?

BrightonFrock · 21/12/2024 11:21

Nanny0gg · 21/12/2024 11:19

Yes she can stay at home

But omnivores are supposed to cater for vegans and vegetarians.
Why isn't the reverse true? Especially if she brings it already cooked?
Or even on its own plate with her own cutlery?

Because vegan food is suitable for omnivores.

redboxer321 · 21/12/2024 11:21

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 21/12/2024 11:22

ooooohnoooooo · 21/12/2024 08:58

I second that! I plan on making it tomorrow as a matter of fact.

YellowAsteroid · 21/12/2024 11:22

I have no objection to a vegan diet such as the meal the OP describes. It's a cultural cuisine in many areas - areas of India, the Middle East and so on.

And @FelizNavidadAmiga is not unreasonable not to want to cook meat, or hjave it in her kitchen.

My objection is to her po-faced "we eat this way for moral reasons."

When veganism became fashionable in the UK, the sale on quinoa increased many times - and was responsible for even more of the Amazonian rain forest to be destroyed to grow quick commercial crops of - quinoa.

No particular way of eating is more "moral" than any other.

YellowAsteroid · 21/12/2024 11:22

Oh, apart from cannibalism

GRex · 21/12/2024 11:23

FelizNavidadAmiga · 20/12/2024 21:42

I'm open to suggestions. What would you bring?

@BrightonFrock - I guess you missed this from OP.

Balloonhearts · 21/12/2024 11:23

BrightonFrock · 21/12/2024 11:21

Because vegan food is suitable for omnivores.

Except for some, it isn't. I don't get why you are so gung ho about vegan food being acceptable to everyone when people are literally giving you examples of why that isn't always the case. Then you get all stroppy about negativity towards veganism. You are creating the negativity by refusing to acknowledge anyone else's needs.

redboxer321 · 21/12/2024 11:24

@YellowAsteroid
Have a look at how much of the Amazonian rainforest is being destroyed for beef farming.

BrightonFrock · 21/12/2024 11:24

ueberlin2030 · 21/12/2024 11:14

It is actually a sacrifice to spend your money and time cooking 'food' you have no desire to eat.

It really isn’t. It’s simply cooking someone a meal. Why do you have to be able to enjoy someone else’s meal? And if you’re going to get all hair shirt about it, why invite them at all?

bananaboats · 21/12/2024 11:25

Could she not just bring it pre cooked? Too be honest there's not much on your menu I could personally eat so I would struggle with that on Xmas day.

Balloonhearts · 21/12/2024 11:25

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And that makes it acceptable?

If I punched you in the face because I disagree with you, does that make it OK for everyone else to punch you too? Of course it doesn't! Grow up.

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