To not let my sister bring her own meat on Christmas day!

[FelizNavidadAmiga]

First off, we are a strictly vegan household for moral reasons. I invited my sister for Christmas lunch as she is recently divorced and has nowhere else to go. I usually put on a magnificent spread with roast vegetables, tagine, stuffed peppers, vine leaves, falafel, home made hummus etc. My sister has just sent me a message saying she's going to bring her own chicken to cook. AIBU to say no way! I don't want chicken cooking in my nice clean vegan oven! Plus the smell makes me feel ill 🤢 I don't want to upset her as she's very sensitive at the moment but surely she can do without chicken for 1 day.

By definition, it is. If you feel so strongly that meat/dairy is wrong then veganism is the correct choice for moral/ethical reasons.

I'm an omnivore. I respect the choices of vegans and vegetarians, because it's their right to eat as they want, and I don't feel that either choice is better than the other, they're just different. I'm an omnivore because I believe we're made to eat meat - see incisor teeth - and so our body chemistry is set up to benefit from it, and we also benefit a lot from the minerals and calcium in dairy products. I buy organic dairy, sustainably caught fish, and I don't actually eat that much meat. If we didn't eat meat and dairy, farm animals would die out. After all, who keeps a cow as a pet? So I don't think that vegans are wrong, I just don't want to be vegan myself, for those reasons.

Having said that, I do like veggie food, and yours sounds amazing. My aunt-in-law was a vegan and she gave us the most wonderful meal when we met in her home once.

Speaking as an obligate carnivore, you are not being unreasonable
Your house, your rules
She can eat a bacon sarnie before or after

I think it sounds amazing food and I’d very much enjoy it.
My OH is veggie but everyone else eats meat a couple of times as week. We do the whole roast dinner for Christmas and I always feel like finding a great veggie centrepiece to go with it is challenging though I’ve found a few nice veggie pastry dishes. I can understand why you opt for something totally different than a standard roast but maybe it’s just that lots of people feel like it has to be the traditional Christmas meal. I don’t think you should have to change for your sister but I do suspect if you were doing all the veg that would traditionally go with a roast along with a mushroom wellington or a sweet potato based pie or similar it might feel more like a regular Christmas dinner for her.

Nope.
Nice try though.

YANBU, your house, your rules - but the “amazing spread” you have described would not be amazing for a lot of people

I’m not trying anything- it’s literally in black and white in front of you. Not sure why you’re arguing about it honestly

Being vegan does not make a person more ethical or moral overall.

I'm not completely anti eating meat. If you keep your own free range ducks or hens for example (which my mother and grandmother did) I don't see a moral problem in occasionally killing and eating one.

I mentioned venison. Most venison is wild slaughtered as part of a managed cull or a day's shooting. The deer lived a free, natural life, killed by a single shot. Farmed venison is not intensively farmed. Intensive poultry, pig and fish farming is vile, although I don't eat any pig products at all.

@Particlee
"I don’t understand omnivores who ‘agree’ with veganism but keep eating animal products-it makes no sense to me"

That's me. I know what's right in many areas of my life but I don't necessarily do it. I'm a weak willed hypocrite, but I still know what's the correct moral choice.

But equally, turkey, sprouts, gravy, plum pudding and mince pies would not be an "amazing spread" for a lot of people...

You’re arguing with something I haven’t said.

Could she have wafer thin ham?

My reasons for not eating meat are complex, and I'm not sure anyone is interested in reading that tbh. 😆

We do all make our own choices regarding food, clothing, transportation, consumer goods etc, and I was really just curious at how the vegans could decide how moral someone is overall based simply on a food choice at a particular moment in time.

I admire your honesty, much more refreshing than people who try to paint eating meat as a harmless thing to do

It's different.

Meat eaters eat vegan things all the time (bread, veg, potatoes, 'accidentally vegan' confectionary, dips, tomato pasta sauces I won't go on). Vegans never eat meat products.

Meat eaters do not morally disagree with vegan foods and the consuming of same. They eat and buy and prepare them in their homes. Vegan foods are not disgusting or offensive or nausea-inducing. Meat eating is not a protected characteristic. Veganism is.

I am taking a vegan roast type thing to my parent's this Xmas (my mum would do it for me but I like to make things easy for her).
If I was doing a full vegan meal for any occasion I would find it very rude if someone turned up with Meat of any sort.

It's also different to if for example someone was cooking goose/turkey and someone who was a guest hated that particular meat, and asked to bring beef/chicken. Fine.

But in this case it goes against a moral and ethical/philosophical belief. It isn't just a preference.

OPs sister needs to do the right thing-either go without her precious chicken, eat before she comes, bring a different meal that's vegan friendly, or decline the invitation IMO.

I'm arguing against the general consensus than vegan=better morals.
I'm not only reading your comments.

I have concerns about animal welfare standards-, not necessarily the killing of animals. I'm ok with eating wild game. I don't eat farmed salmon.

Now you're demonstrating you know nothing about the sheep shearing industry.
Does your ignorance have no end?

Nobody said it did though did they ? Veganism is stricter than vegetarianism so would be the ‘correct’ choice for those with strong ethical objections to meat.

@AuntieMillicent nauseating and disgusting food comes in all forms, including vegan options!

Me too. I really admire my previously cheese addicted vegan son. As another addict I couldn’t do it myself. Classic case of the spirit being willing but the flesh weak.

Meat eaters eat vegan things all the time (bread, veg, potatoes, 'accidentally vegan' confectionary, dips, tomato pasta sauces I won't go on). Vegans never eat meat products.

Exactly - chips are vegan.

Yes, people are saying it's the moral (or ethical) choice.

But no one has said that.