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To not let my sister bring her own meat on Christmas day!

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FelizNavidadAmiga · 20/12/2024 21:33

First off, we are a strictly vegan household for moral reasons. I invited my sister for Christmas lunch as she is recently divorced and has nowhere else to go. I usually put on a magnificent spread with roast vegetables, tagine, stuffed peppers, vine leaves, falafel, home made hummus etc. My sister has just sent me a message saying she's going to bring her own chicken to cook. AIBU to say no way! I don't want chicken cooking in my nice clean vegan oven! Plus the smell makes me feel ill 🤢 I don't want to upset her as she's very sensitive at the moment but surely she can do without chicken for 1 day.

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NavyOrca · 21/12/2024 00:07

I’m a confirmed meat-eater, but even I think you are definitely NBU. Your festive spread sounds lovely. If you invited me into your vegan home, I would never dream of bringing meat with me.

ThomasPatrickKeatingsDegas · 21/12/2024 00:08

Not unreasonable about the meat, but the food doesn’t sound festive at all, just like bland starters options. Could you change the menu? Still lots of time left to get something more festive to cook. Your comment she has nowhere else to go sounds unkind, she’s your sister, you should have each other.

MintShaker · 21/12/2024 00:09

Surely you can be reasonable, loving, supportive and understanding for one day.

Mnetcurious · 21/12/2024 00:10

Yanbu at all. It’s your house and you’re entitled to not want meat in it, especially not to be cooked in your kitchen. I eat meat but would never dream of taking meat to a vegan/vegetarian household, even on Christmas Day.
Just say “I’m afraid I can’t let you bring meat into the house, please would you eat it before you get here or once you’re home, but I can assure you that the lunch will be delicious!”.

Mnetcurious · 21/12/2024 00:12

MintShaker · 21/12/2024 00:09

Surely you can be reasonable, loving, supportive and understanding for one day.

Surely the sister who is being hosted can go without meat for one day?

Sound like op is already being loving and supportive towards her sister at this difficult time.

TunipTheVegimal24 · 21/12/2024 00:14

My SIL doesn't eat pork for religious and cultural reasons. I wouldn't dream of taking pork to cook in her house - why would I? It's just plain rude, and unnecessary to boot. Almost as if she's trying to make a point maybe? Sounds like she's had a tough year, but nonetheless, it isn't an excuse for rudeness.

If you were being particularly generous of spirit, you could potentially let her bring some pre-cooked chicken, but there's no obligation to allow it.

Nanny0gg · 21/12/2024 00:16

CorvusPurpureus · 20/12/2024 21:55

What you've got planned is definitely a delicious ME spread. I live in Egypt, & it's 100% the absolutely banging veggie version of a celebratory meal.

No, it's not trad UK Xmassy, but that's fine - it's what your vegan household want to eat.

I would regretfully tell my sister that you can't accommodate her cooking or bringing chicken. She's welcome if she is happy to eat what's on offer, but if not it's fine for her to make other plans. Maybe she can go out for Xmas dinner & come over for breakfast, or for evening drinks?

So what if the roles were reversed.

Would you expect a vegan guest to be catered for?

TrollTheAncientYuletideCarol · 21/12/2024 00:17

People saying 'it's not very festive' are being quite rude about other people's cultural cuisines that they might eat during the holiday period. If you are in a mixed culture relationship, it's normal to not have a turkey roast dinner but to eat different things, stuffed peppers and tagine aren't 'everyday' dinners for most people anyway, so why are people making out they are very usual compared with a turkey or chicken (the most boring of meats)! You can pretty easily have a vegan roast dinner though if you want one, do nut roast, vegan gravy, roast everything in oil, lots of herbs, it's one of the easier and nicest vegan meals.

WishinAndHopin · 21/12/2024 00:23

Nanny0gg · 21/12/2024 00:16

So what if the roles were reversed.

Would you expect a vegan guest to be catered for?

Meat eaters also eat plant based food.

When they start finding apples or chips morally offensive, you could have a point.

sleepwouldbenice · 21/12/2024 00:28

LightDrizzle · 20/12/2024 22:21

I think you are totally reasonable but as she’s family and had a rough time I’d go out of my way by asking if she has any vegan ideas she fancies in addition to your proposed menu. Is she Middle Eastern? If it’s English Christmas flavours she fancies you could probably include something vegan that incorporates sage and onion and accompany with spiced red cabbage if you wanted to be very kind.

If you need to explain maybe you could say it’s a bit like being a non-smoker and someone asking if they can smoke in your house: you wouldn’t seek to stop a smoker smoking in their own house or where it’s permitted, nor would you expect them not to smoke at their home if you were visiting, even though you wouldn’t enjoy it, but having someone smoke/ prepare and eat meat into your own kitchen just isn’t something you want and fairly or unfairly it would spoil the meal for you entirely.

I’m an omnivorous Christmas Dinner nut and love goose with devils on horseback and all the trimmings and sauces so I’d be contemplating the vegan lunch without great enthusiasm for the food on that day but I’d mask that and enjoy the company and occasion and cook my dream Christmas dinner on either the 24th, 26th or on New Year’s Day. It’s not a biggy.

I hope it goes well and there’s no bad feeling. There shouldn’t be as you are kindly hosting her.

There are very few many rude meat eaters, vegans and vegetarians on this thread. Grow up!

This seems a sensible and above all pleasant approach

ItsAMario · 21/12/2024 00:32

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 20/12/2024 22:40

I'm not strictly vegan or vegetarian (although I'm very picky about where I buy meat and never buy pork, chicken, farmed salmon, lobster, crab or turkey) I do a lot of vegetarian and vegan cooking but vegan "alternatives" is not the way to go. The food should be excellent in its own right, not fake meat.

But OPs sister wants a chicken. So clearly the alternative is to offer mock chicken not a falafel? Nobody said OP can’t have her dinner. Just offer a mock turkey as well? Seems like a simple solution. People are used to a roast dinner on Christmas Day. So OP can have her feast and stick a mock turkey on it too. Problem solved. If the sister doesn’t like the compromise then she shouldn’t come.

If someone came to visit my house and wanted a sausage butty they would be offered a Richmond vegan sausage butty. Fair compromise imo.

I'm not strictly vegan or vegetarian (although I'm very picky about where I buy meat and never buy pork, chicken, farmed salmon, lobster, crab or turkey

Not sure why this part of your post was relevant to be honest. You still eat meat however you want to dress it up.

Lavender14 · 21/12/2024 00:36

I personally like all the food you've listed op, and I was vegetarian for many years. I personally wouldn't expect to cook meat at a vegans house but equally I would have had zero issue with someone bringing their own pre cooked meat if they wanted it to accompany their own meal. I think Christmas Dinner tends to have emotional/nostalgic connections for many people. I love everything you've listed there but personally I wouldn't want to eat it on Christmas day because it wouldn't be anything like my traditional Christmas Dinner and I would miss that. So maybe that's the bit she's missing? Would you consider maybe mash/veg/gravy for example if that's what she's used to?

I think it's up to you really how much its going to bother you, at the end of the day you're opening your home to her so your house your rules.

Teamlux · 21/12/2024 00:41

Could she cook and prepare it before she comes, bring in a lunch box? Then it literally goes straight on her plate. I’m vegetarian and that wouldn’t worry me.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 21/12/2024 00:43

WishinAndHopin · 21/12/2024 00:37

This abomination is nothing like Baileys!

OP I wouldn't dream of asking to cook a chicken but I would politely decline your invitation. I'm sure it's delicious but it would make me ill.

wigsonthegreenandhatsforthelifting · 21/12/2024 00:50

I couldn't eat any of that. I'd stay at home with my chicken.

lateatwork · 21/12/2024 00:51

Wouldn't bother me as long as she brought it cooked.

I'm not a big food person- but believe you need to be happy with what you do eat.

I'd accommodate other dietary requests too.

ThatAgileGoldMoose · 21/12/2024 00:52

Hard eye roll at all the people commenting on OP's choice of food. I think it sounds like a great fit for a celebration but if you think it sounds like trash why are you bothering your asses to go out of your way to comment and be rude about it? Nobody is suggesting that YOU eat a vegetable ffs.

Also lol at the "just get her fake chicken" - no, somebody who wants to roast a chicken is NOT going to want fake meat.

QuestionableMouse · 21/12/2024 00:56

ThatAgileGoldMoose · 21/12/2024 00:52

Hard eye roll at all the people commenting on OP's choice of food. I think it sounds like a great fit for a celebration but if you think it sounds like trash why are you bothering your asses to go out of your way to comment and be rude about it? Nobody is suggesting that YOU eat a vegetable ffs.

Also lol at the "just get her fake chicken" - no, somebody who wants to roast a chicken is NOT going to want fake meat.

I eat mostly veggie actually but do not enjoy ME food at all because it makes me feel unwell.

RisingSunn · 21/12/2024 01:00

Vaxtable · 20/12/2024 21:47

I think she should be able to bring already cooked chicken should she wish, as a host you should be prepared to accommodate

Cerrainly it’s expected that meat eaters have to accommodate vegan and vegetarian friends, so I fail to see why it shouldn’t work the other way

Edited

Yes - I agree with this.

BrightonFrock · 21/12/2024 01:02

It’s your house. Your sister has two options - come and eat the food you’re serving, or stay at home. She doesn’t get a third option where she gets to choose the menu in someone else’s house.

RisingSunn · 21/12/2024 01:03

Growlybear83 · 20/12/2024 22:46

I think of you invite people to your house then you should at least try to accommodate their dietary requirements. My daughter and son in law are strict Muslims and also only eat organic food, and whilst I really do not like having Halal meat in the house, let alone eating it, I buy an organic halal turkey each Christmas when they are here, and adjust everything I cook if they are eating with us. So no goose fat for the potatoes, plain sprouts, no bacon over the turkey when it's cooking, separate gravy, etc, and I even have to make my own Christmas puddings because I've yet to find a ready made one which doesn't contain nutmeg. It's a pain, but if I'm having guests in my house then I feel it's only right that I try to give them food that they can eat and that they will enjoy. I don't expect anyone to have the same taste as me.

You sound like a lovely and generous host.

BrightonFrock · 21/12/2024 01:04

Knittedfairies2 · 20/12/2024 21:35

Couldn't she bring the chicken already roasted?

Why? Can’t she just accept that she is the guest?

KeeKees · 21/12/2024 01:04

I understand you not wanting her to cook it, but I'd be ok with her bringing some pre cooked slices (I'm veggie).

BrightonFrock · 21/12/2024 01:05

I think she should be able to bring already cooked chicken should she wish, as a host you should be prepared to accommodate

Why?

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