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To not let my sister bring her own meat on Christmas day!

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FelizNavidadAmiga · 20/12/2024 21:33

First off, we are a strictly vegan household for moral reasons. I invited my sister for Christmas lunch as she is recently divorced and has nowhere else to go. I usually put on a magnificent spread with roast vegetables, tagine, stuffed peppers, vine leaves, falafel, home made hummus etc. My sister has just sent me a message saying she's going to bring her own chicken to cook. AIBU to say no way! I don't want chicken cooking in my nice clean vegan oven! Plus the smell makes me feel ill 🤢 I don't want to upset her as she's very sensitive at the moment but surely she can do without chicken for 1 day.

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soupfiend · 20/12/2024 23:33

ElinAlma · 20/12/2024 21:36

Not unreasonable to say no.
But unreasonable to call this food: roast vegetables, tagine, stuffed peppers, vine leaves, falafel, home made hummus etc, a magnificent spread.

That's very bog standard food and not anything magnificent for a festive meal.

Edited

Agree with this, the food sounds lovely but its not a celebration meal, where is the fancy and unusual and not every day centrepiece?

Roast veg, tagine, stuffed peppers, vine leaves, houmous, falafel etc, all very every day, work day evening type food here.

Anyway no she shouldnt bring a chicken but do put on something that is a real celebration

jannier · 20/12/2024 23:34

Lollypop701 · 20/12/2024 21:35

Could she bring it cooked and reheat it?

Noooo

Tbry24 · 20/12/2024 23:36

Growlybear83 · 20/12/2024 23:05

@Longtimelurkerfinallyposts re the nutmeg. This has been a long running saga since my daughter became a Muslim. My son in law is Jordanian and apparently Jordanians do not use nutmeg as it is considered to be haram, because it is an intoxicant if consumed in large enough quantities. Many Muslims I've discussed this with do not agree with this, but my daughter and son in law have discussed this with several imams. Who have all confirmed that the strict interpretation is thst it's not allowed. I've also researched online, and it does seem to be the case that it's considered haram.

I think there’s a few nutmeg free Christmas puddings around. The free from Morrisons pud seems to be ok.

ameded sorry it’s got alcohol. I know I’ve bought alcohol nutmeg free pure somewhere as I also needed them, I don’t drink anymore.

Plitterfced · 20/12/2024 23:37

marmia1234 · 20/12/2024 23:27

I'm just pointing out that "veg are mostly carbs" is wrong. Even potatoes are less than 20% and that's the highest. There are lots in between 20 and 1 but none are "mostly" carbs. And my horizons are broad thanks.
Legumes are a different matter.

What foods do you count as “carbs” or “high carbs” out of interest?

LinnettdeBelleforte · 20/12/2024 23:38

AbigaiIsParty · 20/12/2024 23:02

It's one meal, or at most, one day. She can do without animal flesh for a day. Well, she can do without animal flesh forever, like OP and myself and the very many vegans thriving without it.

My home is my sanctuary - I do not allow meat or dairy here. People can respect that, or not come.

She maybe can't 'do without animal flesh forever'. She has no right to inflict meat on the OP's house, I certainly agree with that. However, it is inaccurate to say that everyone can live without meat. I would become very ill very fast if I tried to go vegan.

Wanttobefree2 · 20/12/2024 23:38

HocusFord · 20/12/2024 21:40

Don’t be so bitchy. That absolutely is a magnificent spread, if you can bring yourself to imagine that turkey and boiled vegetables isn’t the pinnacle of festive dining everywhere in the world.

I don’t think it’s very festive either and that’s not being mean. I think mostly as I’d only eat the falafel and hummus, if I was the sister though I wouldn’t expect to roast a chicken in a vegan household.

StrawberryWater · 20/12/2024 23:42

Not yet read the whole thread but as much as I love eating chicken, pork, lamb etc I also love vegetarian and vegan food and always have a few meat free days in the week.

Cauliflower korma is delicious! Especially with tiger loaf packed with pesto and mozzarella (and it can be made vegan!) with a side orange, avocado and spinach salad.

Anyway, all that is to say is that it doesn't hurt to go without meat for one day!

Tangelablue · 20/12/2024 23:42

Your dinner sounds amazing, tell your sister to stay home and I'll take her place.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 20/12/2024 23:42

She sounds bonkers!

Why does she need to have chicken - that all sounds lovely, and even if she doesn’t like some of it, there must be somethings she likes?

In fact, can I come to yours please?

crouchendtigerr · 20/12/2024 23:44

YANBU
Frankly it's v rude of her

QuestionableMouse · 20/12/2024 23:45

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 20/12/2024 23:27

Exactly. Incredible that this should need to be spelled out.

Also incredible that a family of Middle Eastern heritage eating a traditional feast day menu seems incomprehensible to so many. How can you not grasp that different cultures have different traditions? Why would you think that a Middle Eastern feast would leave you feeling hungry? I love that sort of food. It tastes great and it's very filling. If OP's sister doesn't fancy it, she will have to make other arrangements.

Good for you. But your tastes aren't everyone's tastes. I really don't enjoy it, not does it enjoy me and having stomach cramps all day isn't nice for anyone.

Brefugee · 20/12/2024 23:46

doodleschnoodle · 20/12/2024 21:40

I don't think YABU to not want it but I also wouldn't want to eat roasted peppers and tagine etc. as my Xmas Day meal (happily would rest of the year) so I do get why she would want to bring something else. But if she's choosing to come to you she has to deal with your menu choices or else stay home and make Christmas dinner how she wants it.

so OP tells sister "no chicken, this is what we're eating"

and sister can either say "ok thanks, see you at x time" or "urgh no i will stay alone on the day"

Wonderi · 20/12/2024 23:47

Tangelablue · 20/12/2024 23:42

Your dinner sounds amazing, tell your sister to stay home and I'll take her place.

I don’t think the sister has actually insisted on bringing meat.

She’s just said that she’ll bring her own meat to cook, knowing that OP is vegan and wouldn’t buy/cook any.

She’s probably assuming it will be a tradition roast but without the meat.

I’m sure if OP said no or to bring precooked meat, then she’d be ok with it.

I think the sister thinks she’s doing a good thing.

I agree that the dinner sounds lovely.

ACynicalDad · 20/12/2024 23:48

Whilst I would prefer a traditional spread, if I was alone at Christmas I'd go to a relative serving that without taking meat along over eating on her own. Suggest she either doesn't come or has a ham sandwich in the car.

Elizo · 20/12/2024 23:50

FelizNavidadAmiga · 20/12/2024 21:33

First off, we are a strictly vegan household for moral reasons. I invited my sister for Christmas lunch as she is recently divorced and has nowhere else to go. I usually put on a magnificent spread with roast vegetables, tagine, stuffed peppers, vine leaves, falafel, home made hummus etc. My sister has just sent me a message saying she's going to bring her own chicken to cook. AIBU to say no way! I don't want chicken cooking in my nice clean vegan oven! Plus the smell makes me feel ill 🤢 I don't want to upset her as she's very sensitive at the moment but surely she can do without chicken for 1 day.

It’s a little extreme. I am vegetarian but we do a turkey for everyone else. Could she bring it cooked??

TrollTheAncientYuletideCarol · 20/12/2024 23:50

Just reply 'we don't cook or eat meat in the house, we are a vegan household sorry!' It's very rude to offer to bring a chicken over to a vegan household. It's the hosts choice what they serve for Christmas dinner, and she has the choice to eat a chicken dinner in her own home later that evening, or go elsewhere, or eat your food.

We do offer meat alongside veggie dishes at home at Christmas, but all the veggie people are fine with that situation, you are not, it's your home and your family.

WishinAndHopin · 20/12/2024 23:52

LinnettdeBelleforte · 20/12/2024 23:38

She maybe can't 'do without animal flesh forever'. She has no right to inflict meat on the OP's house, I certainly agree with that. However, it is inaccurate to say that everyone can live without meat. I would become very ill very fast if I tried to go vegan.

There are no medical conditions that require the eating of meat.

Ponderingwindow · 20/12/2024 23:53

I had a hard time not crying last Christmas when I discovered the allergen free roast meal had been presented on a platter covered in one of my allergens for decoration. Not only did that mean I left the host’s home hungry, I was hungry during what is supposed to be a festive, special meal and it was really miserable.

the first thing I would do is talk to your sister and ask her why she wants to bring chicken. Does she have dietary restrictions you might not know about. Is she worried about indigestion from the planned menu?

if she is just insisting on meat for meats sake, then she has to make a decision. It might be worth it to her to eat her meal elsewhere and that should be acceptable. Some people look forward to Christmas dinner all year, though perhaps she can find a solution like visiting with you and having a roast on Christmas Eve. If there is some underlying issue she is trying to mitigate, then work with her and come up with a solution.

Growlybear83 · 20/12/2024 23:55

@Tbry24 I really have searched everywhere for the last couple of years. The only alcohol free puddings I found that were nutmeg free contained mixed spice, and almost all mixed spice blends include nutmeg. I managed to track down some mixed spice which didn't include nutmeg for the puddings I made, but there was no way of knowing if the mixed spice blend used in the ready made puddings were nutmeg free.

LinnettdeBelleforte · 21/12/2024 00:00

WishinAndHopin · 20/12/2024 23:52

There are no medical conditions that require the eating of meat.

You don't know my body. You have no right to tell me that I shouldn't eat meat.

Isittimeformynapyet · 21/12/2024 00:01

LinnettdeBelleforte · 21/12/2024 00:00

You don't know my body. You have no right to tell me that I shouldn't eat meat.

She didn't.

captainPugwashh · 21/12/2024 00:02

@LostTheMarble you can't drink Bailey's it's not vegan

WishinAndHopin · 21/12/2024 00:04

LinnettdeBelleforte · 21/12/2024 00:00

You don't know my body. You have no right to tell me that I shouldn't eat meat.

I didn't.

I'm stating the fact that there are no medical conditions that require the eating of meat.

Promoting this myth is harmful to all the vegans who have been there, done that, and endured wives' tales, ignorance and pressurization from healthcare professionals.

user1492757084 · 21/12/2024 00:06

Maybe she just wants to contribute something - so she offers to bring what she would eat and what you would not like to cook.
Could you ask her to roast the chicken before arriving, if that is not offensive to you?
Ask her to bring serving plate and tongs too. If she wraps it in foil well and then towels inside an eski it will be warm for lunch - unless she lives hours away.

She should also premake bread sauce and gravy.

If meat is absolutely not happening then suggest she brings another, meat free, dish that she enjoys - prawns, baked salmon, macaroni cheese, tomato, mushroom and onion pie, nibbles, a pavlova. She probably just wants to help.

aodirjjd · 21/12/2024 00:07

How has this not come up before? Are you new to veganism?

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