Ageism,ignorance, intolerance. class bias on mumsnet re Waspi women

[CAJIE]

I did not honestly expect any compensation though I might have hoped. Iwas aware of this change but did not have the chance to make extra provision for it.I do have a professional pension but will have to wait a while longer for the state pension which is extremely challenging.My plans were changed by covid and I doubt I will be employed again except possibly on poor and temporary contracts or gig economy.Secondary school supply on a daily basis has more or less gone.
However what appals me is the attitudes of many mumsnetters who assume that everyone has the abiity to understand pensions and that the Waspi women should have taken so called control of their situation.Maybe some could but there is a hell of a lot of class bias towards the women in lower paid jobs who perhaps were overwhelmed by struggling to survive and did not understand or read the news or the pension changes were not clearly explained to them.Pensions can be hard to understand and provoke anxiety.This appalling prejudice that all older people are rolling in it and this nice habit of some younger women to be sadly quite misogynistic and ageist towards women who are in poverty is very concerning.All sections of society should thrive even in older age and perhaps you younger women should be challenging society, housing costs, the whole ideology of owning a house and actually trying to build something new rather than bitching about what boomers have and their endless cruises etc.
.You are turning against your sex and the comments are cruel and harsh.You know nothing about these womens lives.
Starmer wants to punish older people and older women are always a good target.Your spite about all the things that boomers are supposed to have and you apparently dont is unpleasant.Women beware women.Very sad and against justice.

I don't think compensation for these women is a priority. I would, however, be more than happy for my taxes to be increased in order
@MrsBennetsPoorNerves Since when has anything for women been a priority?

Why is this relevant?

I do understand pensions. My point was that lots of people are completely ignorant about their projected retirement income, whether that comes from state or private pensions.

Actually the Waspi women like me were celebrating when Labour got in in 1997.
We'd had 18 years of Tory government and they were voted in by young and old alike.
Mostly on the basis of lies, strikes and then the Falklands war.
Who do you think mostly voted Labour in 1997?
My age group, 40 at the time.

When your 60 plus what do you think the younger generation will blame you for?
Because there will be something.

@losingweightandgainingconfidence
The idea that the whole of one generation and no other was happy to see schools and hospitals decimated is absurd.
Voters across all ages and demographics are idiots-and a lot of them live in the South East of England, where they're disproportionately represented in parliament.

But it's easy to blame some old women.

What an absolutely ridiculous statement.
You think we're happy to see our dd's giving birth in substandard hospitals and our dgc going to substandard schools?

Get a grip.

Some, incredibly selfish, younger women, need to consider that they may be benefitting in many ways, in which these older women did not. They seem to have no clue as to what life as a women in our unequal society was like for women of this ahe group. . Or about societal expectations of women.
I'm not in the targeted age group, but I am probably older than the average MN'r. I'm not shouting about having to subsidise their child care!

So compensate the WASPI women in the South Wales valleys that have not returned a Tory MP in a generation or are they excluded because some of them voted for Brexit?

Can’t you see what you are doing? You are saying the Government can get away with maladministration against people you blame for something. There are groups in this country who would very much like to enforce that policy against particular groups they blame for all the ills of society.

Everyone has to get fair treatment irrespective of characteristics such as political beliefs or we head in a very grim direction indeed.

Why is it that train drivers don't deserve their money, but high earners in other sectors do? We don't live in a meritocratic society. If we did, paid carers would earn more. We would value those kinds of jobs way more than we do. And i include teachers in that, too. Train strikes were also crippling the economy. People need public transport to get around. If they can't get to work, to big events etc then it harms the economy.

You say the money is for those who didn't know about that changes. How can we be sure who that applies to?

Nobody despises the elderly. Pensioners though have been very well protected from cuts over the years (the triple lock remains in place, affording considerable protection that many others don't have) while other sections of society have had to carry the weight (those on other forms of benefit, for example). All that's happening now is that the burden is being more fairly distributed.

@losingweightandgainingconfidence
You seem to be very keen on revenge against your grandparents.
Let's hope you manage to move beyond mindless hatred towards any one group and start to fight injustice and obscene corporate wealth instead.

Yes, statistically they did.
Personally I've never voted tory in my life.
However what is becoming apparent is that better education amongst younger people means, thankfully, that less are voting Tory.
The Tories have historically done well amongst skilled manual occupations.
Amongst retirees this group is still quite high.

Reading this thread, i agree there is a lot of unfairness going on. And i can understand waspi womens complaints, some more than others.

But.....i don't think it compares to the unfairness being experienced by young people now. The world they are facing is much worse than the one we grew up in (I'm late 50s). Right to buy has enabled many people my age to get on the housing ladder, whilst its ripped out any hope of a decent council house for the young...at the same age we were getting a council house without much effort. The rents young people are paying are mind blowing. They dont all have a starbucks habit and the latest iphones, that might be the ones still at home mid 20s and working full time. The rest are struggling as they had to move away and dont have inheritance money to fall back on.

So as much as i feel some waspi women were treated unfairly, i dont think its a patch on what the current generation will experience by the time they retire....which will probably be in their 70s..

And why would you (I should say we because I reckon I'm about your age) be shouting about paying their childcare? Childcare is paid to parents who work and pay taxes and they're exactly the people who'll be paying for our stare pensions and healthcare when we retire.

Do you genuinely think society is equal for young women now?

The accelerated increase under Osborne's 2011 pensions act was so unfair. It gave the Waspi women very little notice indeed - in my case this only gave me five years notice of a further increase in pension age. Yes, I knew and had made financial decisions on the 1995 Act, fair enough. But to be hammered again at such short notice was totally unreasonable and I was by no means the worse affected. The women born in 1954 had their pension age increased by a further two years - disgusting.

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What a stupid statement

If women like me, who have the means, time and education don’t stand up and say something about ignoring the ombudsman, about discriminatory pay practices, poor maternity practices etc etc then the younger generation of women will end up having to re fight battles we all thought were won.

In fairness those battles are never won, each generation of women have to repeatedly fight to protect their rights because there’s always men trying to erode what has been so hard fought for - only now the men are wearing dresses and calling themselves feminists.

You’re deluded if you think any “right” or protection afforded to women is a done deal.

They'll be blamed for freedom of speech taken away and creating Stepford people!!!

Bringing up historic injustices against women is a silly argument. It's not younger women's fault that you needed a husband to get a credit card. And you didn't fight for those rights for future generations, you fought for your own rights. Which is totally understandable.

If we're going to bring up all these injustices then ultimately young women have some pretty big trump cards. We're inheriting unprecedented levels of national debt and a dying planet. I think I'd happily trade in my credit card at this point.