Ageism,ignorance, intolerance. class bias on mumsnet re Waspi women

[CAJIE]

I did not honestly expect any compensation though I might have hoped. Iwas aware of this change but did not have the chance to make extra provision for it.I do have a professional pension but will have to wait a while longer for the state pension which is extremely challenging.My plans were changed by covid and I doubt I will be employed again except possibly on poor and temporary contracts or gig economy.Secondary school supply on a daily basis has more or less gone.
However what appals me is the attitudes of many mumsnetters who assume that everyone has the abiity to understand pensions and that the Waspi women should have taken so called control of their situation.Maybe some could but there is a hell of a lot of class bias towards the women in lower paid jobs who perhaps were overwhelmed by struggling to survive and did not understand or read the news or the pension changes were not clearly explained to them.Pensions can be hard to understand and provoke anxiety.This appalling prejudice that all older people are rolling in it and this nice habit of some younger women to be sadly quite misogynistic and ageist towards women who are in poverty is very concerning.All sections of society should thrive even in older age and perhaps you younger women should be challenging society, housing costs, the whole ideology of owning a house and actually trying to build something new rather than bitching about what boomers have and their endless cruises etc.
.You are turning against your sex and the comments are cruel and harsh.You know nothing about these womens lives.
Starmer wants to punish older people and older women are always a good target.Your spite about all the things that boomers are supposed to have and you apparently dont is unpleasant.Women beware women.Very sad and against justice.

I suspect you are right.

What a load of cobblers. Waspis aren't getting compensation. It would cost too much. And men have had a worst deal than any waspi.

Utter cobblers

wtf? Men have had a worse deal than women born in the 1950s? You’re having a laugh.

In respect to the state pension it's possibly true - work longer to qualify for it, die sooner.

Unless you are claiming that you were trying to get a mortgage as a child you are exaggerating. I know it was hard for single women to get a mortgage/bank account in the 60s but you could get one in the 70s and certainly the 80s.

When you talk about fighting for women's rights you make it sound as if you think it's just something women born in the 1950s did and that everything is perfect now as a consequence. In fact fighting for equality is a continuous process and every generation has contributed.

You are the ignorant one. Men had a shorter life expectancy. Many worked heavy manual jobs in unhealthy conditions and got nowhere near retirement age of 65.

Women born in the late 40s and 50s fought for equal pay, maternity rights, broad access to childcare, right to abortion, the list goes on. Second wave feminists’ fight achieved more for women than any generation since the suffragettes. I’m beginning to wonder why we bothered.

Where is this equal pay, accessible childcare and non-career harming maternity provision of which you speak?

I’m wondering even more now.

Waspi women weren't born in the 40s. They were born in the 1950s. The eldest would have been 17 and most children when abortion was legalised in 1967 so don't think they can take credit. You may have fought for maternity rights, broad access to childcare, equal pay but it's not unique to people born in the 1950s.

You may have fought for maternity rights, broad access to childcare, equal pay but it's not unique to people born in the 1950s.

We did. And nobody said it was.

But the two year extension to retirement age was applied to men too. What made the 'Waspi's' more important?

To your first point, the Sex Discrimination Act 1975 meant that a mortgage couldn’t be refused solely on the base of sex. Are you naive enough to believe that meant it wasn’t, just with a different reason being given. Women born in ‘51, were 24-years-old in 1975. For several years more, ordinary, non wealthy women were refused mortgages.

Regarding your second point, of course that is true, but it doesn’t invalidate my point.

It was applied to men of the same age 15 years earlier. Ergo the amount of notice was much greater.

You do realise 1975 was 50 years ago. If we were to say a woman applying for a mortgage then was 25 at the minimum, then she would actually have qualified for the 60 year old retirement age by my quick calculations.

Why do you expect younger women to be grateful then if they are doing the same thing? I am sure you have benefited from some of their campaigns too e.g. equal pay.

The Equal Pay Act became law in 1972. You’re going to need to a better example than that. I wait with interest.

No, born in the 50s

You are going to do better if you are trying to claim that women born in the 1950s can take credit for the equal pay act 1972. Even the eldest would have only been 21 by then and most teenagers. The credit goes to those born before then.

Turn it on its head though.

House prices accelerated when women were embraced by the workforce and when couples had two incomes it fires house price inflation.

Sometimes, even things that seem good have unexpected consequences.

House prices are cyclical and I think we are about to enter a period of stagnation whilst incomes increase in the background.

Oh FFS! You are determined to see older women as enemies aren’t you. What was mentioned before was the Sex Discrimination Act and that was 1975. Also, do a bit of reading yourself. The Equal Pay Act didn’t result in Equal Pay. It resulted in employers finding. Various ways around it! I am not going to keep offering these points. I am not your enemy.

You’re quoting the wrong poster. You’re definitely not my enemy, we’re on the same side. 🤷‍♀️

The problem is that there is poverty in all generations. Unfortunately there will be more among younger people who will have to wait till 68 to get state pension. And far fewer are able to get on the housing ladder so lots will be renting in retirement.

There will be a bigger divide for sure. Inheritance will make some of them spectacularly well off.