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Ageism,ignorance, intolerance. class bias on mumsnet re Waspi women

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CAJIE · 20/12/2024 00:27

I did not honestly expect any compensation though I might have hoped. Iwas aware of this change but did not have the chance to make extra provision for it.I do have a professional pension but will have to wait a while longer for the state pension which is extremely challenging.My plans were changed by covid and I doubt I will be employed again except possibly on poor and temporary contracts or gig economy.Secondary school supply on a daily basis has more or less gone.
However what appals me is the attitudes of many mumsnetters who assume that everyone has the abiity to understand pensions and that the Waspi women should have taken so called control of their situation.Maybe some could but there is a hell of a lot of class bias towards the women in lower paid jobs who perhaps were overwhelmed by struggling to survive and did not understand or read the news or the pension changes were not clearly explained to them.Pensions can be hard to understand and provoke anxiety.This appalling prejudice that all older people are rolling in it and this nice habit of some younger women to be sadly quite misogynistic and ageist towards women who are in poverty is very concerning.All sections of society should thrive even in older age and perhaps you younger women should be challenging society, housing costs, the whole ideology of owning a house and actually trying to build something new rather than bitching about what boomers have and their endless cruises etc.
.You are turning against your sex and the comments are cruel and harsh.You know nothing about these womens lives.
Starmer wants to punish older people and older women are always a good target.Your spite about all the things that boomers are supposed to have and you apparently dont is unpleasant.Women beware women.Very sad and against justice.

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DrIggyFrome · 20/12/2024 17:59

MerryMaker · 20/12/2024 17:55

The reason it matters is some women had left work thinking they would be fine as they only had 2 years till their state pension. I knew someone who did this to do grandchildren care. She was in the shit when pension age changed.

But she already left early, that was her decision to make. Why should she be compensated for a lifestyle choice?

MerryMaker · 20/12/2024 18:03

DrIggyFrome · 20/12/2024 17:59

But she already left early, that was her decision to make. Why should she be compensated for a lifestyle choice?

She made her decision based on financial info she had.
How can you possibly plan for the future when pensions can be changed so quickly?

MerryMaker · 20/12/2024 18:05

I do not think you can trust the government. I am worried state pensions will be income related. So I am planning to quit work and live on my personal pension. And then get state pension at retirement age. If it is income tested, it wont matter to me.

MereDintofPandiculation · 20/12/2024 18:05

DrIggyFrome · 20/12/2024 17:59

But she already left early, that was her decision to make. Why should she be compensated for a lifestyle choice?

She made the decision without knowing the pension age had changed. The Ombudsman said the information was not sufficient. The compensation was for not being informed by the government, and therefore making a lifestyle choice which she possibly wouldn't have made had she known the true situation.

DrIggyFrome · 20/12/2024 18:05

MerryMaker · 20/12/2024 18:03

She made her decision based on financial info she had.
How can you possibly plan for the future when pensions can be changed so quickly?

I don't know, but subsequent generations have done a good job of winging it after the ladder got pulled up.

MereDintofPandiculation · 20/12/2024 18:08

MidnightPatrol · 20/12/2024 10:49

@ChazsBrilliantAttitude the solution to that is working until the retirement age - as men already had to do, and everyone after you has to do.

That’s what people do if they can’t afford to retire, they keep working.

Would it be better if everyone could retire earlier? Sure. But it makes no sense for this cohort of women to be compensated - particularly when inequality between the sexes is still an issue in terms of financial parity between men and women born long after you.

But they didn't have the information to know that;s what they needed to do. The compensation is for not having the information to plan their futures sensible.

DrIggyFrome · 20/12/2024 18:09

MereDintofPandiculation · 20/12/2024 18:08

But they didn't have the information to know that;s what they needed to do. The compensation is for not having the information to plan their futures sensible.

Once they knew why didn't they return to the workforce, in any capacity?

MerryMaker · 20/12/2024 18:09

DrIggyFrome · 20/12/2024 18:05

I don't know, but subsequent generations have done a good job of winging it after the ladder got pulled up.

No they have not.

DrIggyFrome · 20/12/2024 18:10

MerryMaker · 20/12/2024 18:09

No they have not.

True, they're struggling like never before.

MerryMaker · 20/12/2024 18:10

DrIggyFrome · 20/12/2024 18:09

Once they knew why didn't they return to the workforce, in any capacity?

Have you tried to get a job in your sixties? I am 62, getting a job is bloody hard. Sure maybe if you are senior it is fine, but otherwise it is really really hard to get anything.

BIossomtoes · 20/12/2024 18:11

DrIggyFrome · 20/12/2024 18:09

Once they knew why didn't they return to the workforce, in any capacity?

Ever tried getting a job when you’re 62?

MerryMaker · 20/12/2024 18:11

DrIggyFrome · 20/12/2024 18:10

True, they're struggling like never before.

Rents and house prices are ridiculous. Everything else is easier than when I was young.

DrIggyFrome · 20/12/2024 18:12

MerryMaker · 20/12/2024 18:10

Have you tried to get a job in your sixties? I am 62, getting a job is bloody hard. Sure maybe if you are senior it is fine, but otherwise it is really really hard to get anything.

No but I work with plenty of women in their 60s who have retired from a career and now work a lower level admin job.

DrIggyFrome · 20/12/2024 18:12

MerryMaker · 20/12/2024 18:11

Rents and house prices are ridiculous. Everything else is easier than when I was young.

And WASPIs want to make life harder by demanding compensation that is to be paid for from what money?

Timefordrama · 20/12/2024 18:14

slightlydistrac · 20/12/2024 16:34

And how many of the people who agree with the decision are personally affected by it, eh?

Answer = none.

I'm personally affected by it, and I agree with the decision.

BIossomtoes · 20/12/2024 18:15

DrIggyFrome · 20/12/2024 18:12

No but I work with plenty of women in their 60s who have retired from a career and now work a lower level admin job.

Were they in their 60s when they interviewed for those jobs? I doubt it.

BIossomtoes · 20/12/2024 18:15

Timefordrama · 20/12/2024 18:14

I'm personally affected by it, and I agree with the decision.

So do I but it’s from a position of privilege.

DrIggyFrome · 20/12/2024 18:16

BIossomtoes · 20/12/2024 18:15

Were they in their 60s when they interviewed for those jobs? I doubt it.

Yes.

Mimilamore · 20/12/2024 18:16

Absolutely agree with the poster, well said....

MerryMaker · 20/12/2024 18:16

DrIggyFrome · 20/12/2024 18:16

Yes.

I am interested. Where is employing lots of women in their sixties?

Mimilamore · 20/12/2024 18:17

And I voted remain....

Timefordrama · 20/12/2024 18:18

BIossomtoes · 20/12/2024 18:15

So do I but it’s from a position of privilege.

Mine is to a certain degree as well. But a blanket compensation is unfair.

StrikeForever · 20/12/2024 18:19

HollyChristmas · 20/12/2024 12:22

As an aside , with many of here saying,' that ' waspi ' women were in the never had it so good era , and as I wrote upthread , I am just out of that catagory , many commenters on here are talking about back then when these women were of the age of on here now . the mortgage rate late 70s/ early 80s was 17% ! , yes houses were cheaper but the average wage back then was around £100 -£109 a week for a man .

And a fraction of that for a woman. Speaking as a WASPI women. Having many fewer rights than men, including no mortgages or bank accounts for women, didn’t feel like we had it good. As has been said above, we suffered fought hard for the rights that our younger criticising sisters enjoy.

MerryMaker · 20/12/2024 18:21

StrikeForever · 20/12/2024 18:19

And a fraction of that for a woman. Speaking as a WASPI women. Having many fewer rights than men, including no mortgages or bank accounts for women, didn’t feel like we had it good. As has been said above, we suffered fought hard for the rights that our younger criticising sisters enjoy.

Yes, very ironic the commenter quoted the average wage for a man. I assume they did so as average women's wage was much lower.

BIossomtoes · 20/12/2024 18:21

MerryMaker · 20/12/2024 18:16

I am interested. Where is employing lots of women in their sixties?

Fairyland.