to be annoyed at so much racism re “the boat people”

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A large hotel local-ish to us (around 10 miles away) is currently closed for bookings as it is being occupied by just under 400 asylum seekers.

Recently, in our village and a couple of neighbouring ones, there has been a spate of parcels being stolen from doorsteps. I’m sure you can all work out who has taken the blame for this….! Even though one of the perpetrators is known to be a local lad, born and bred in our village, some people are still blaming others..

The comments on Facebook community groups are disgusting.

Since when has it been acceptable to so readily stick the blame upon those literally fleeing their countries?

I honestly feel that as a human race, we are devolving.

With your take on things, you would have a massive problem with large multicultural cities then, where people self segregate according to religion, ethnicity and class! I don't think it would be fair or just to accuse each and every community of racism or bigotry for preferring to live in areas which best serve their needs. I agree though, it's not great for creating a cohesive society.

Do you know what?

Every time I see a man being an arse to a woman, I get in there.

Because I'm old and I don't give a shit.

And I will carry on doing it.

My line is 'You, fuck off'.

And, whenever I do it, I see men around me looking for their 'hero moment', when I get punched in the face so they can leap in then.

Never happens.

I can't stop an influx men from wherever.

I can keep showing young women how to advocate and be strong though. And I will continue to do that.

We do what we can.

Men are a danger to women. Brown men. White men. Tall men. Short men. Men in dresses. Men in police uniforms. Muslim men. Atheist men. Men.

While I don't disagree, it is also a fact that attitudes to women do vary depending on culture, and that in some cultures there are far higher instances of rape, sexual assault and femicide - look at the South African statistics, for instance.

And you have made a very interesting point, although I doubtit's the one you wanted to make 😂

It's like an exam paper. Discus why the UK and the rest of Europe are not working to the same guidelines. The answer is BREXIT.

You're right. Cultural attitudes to women do vary. If you've been raised with certain attitudes to, and expectations of women, that's going to be hard to change.

Thanks for your emoji. It's sweet. Successful asylum applications have always been higher in the UK, both pre and post brexit, compared to other European countries. Hth.

What? What are you even talking about? What do you want me to say? That we should lock up everyone who isn't over the moon about demographic change? Because that's most people.

If PP‘s claim that the percentage of successful asylum applications is higher in the UK is correct, what does that have to do with Brexit?

Is that your rationale for being racist?

Is that your rationale for being irrational?

I find your attitude very odd. You must accept that other countries have a less than progressive attitude to women's rights, homosexuality, property law, abortion, etc, etc.

Is it racist to say I don't like misogynistic societies?

It doesn't feel racist.

Is misogyny OK if you're not from Western Europe?

Because racism?

I experienced actual direct racism at school and am educated just putting it out there.

When people quote stats about 40,000 in a population of nearly 70 million, I understand it doesn’t seem much. But in my town of about 25,000 we had a sudden influx of between 400 and 500 and they are hanging round the local school and in large groups. In my mates village of only a few hundred there are a couple of hundred refugees. That made local news as protests happened.

I know progressives love to educate people.

Please educate me how expressing concerns re an influx of young men from not ok societies is racist?

Absolutely this

You'd do this?

Why is everyone saying "men", in the hotels I've seen there are women and kids! Why are you assuming they are all attackers of women? And economic migrants hmm are no Brits economic migrants, is that really the worst possible crime? Is it different because you are not brown? If they are not entitled to stay, they are not given asylum!! It's the slow processing that needs sorting. Treat these people like humans, like you would like to be treated after suffering major trauma.

Judging by this, Mumsnet is 99% white and racist.

Define refugee!

I think pp point about "economic migrants" is the theory that many who claim to be refugees/asylum seekers are, in fact, economic migrants.
If any British people are doing that in other countries, ie falsely claiming asylum, when in fact going to work, they are very much in the wrong.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/breakdown_of_arrivals_in_small_b/response/1974619/attach/3/66921%20Mehmet.pdf

Unless you are counting me in the 1%, I’m happy for you to show me up. Which of my views on this thread do you think are racist?

op I agree the racism that is voiced is concerning

but you knew the response that you would get as there are genuine concerns

these discussions need to be had without accusations of racism and when racist comments are made they are called out

unfortunately you will have from one side racists and on the other a claim that the every asylum seeker is genuine and wouod never cause any trouble and both the extreme sides dominate the discussions which then become arguments

social media has made every subject so extreme that sensible discussions get lost

Is that your rationale for being racist?

If I've been racist you should definitely report it as it's against talk guidelines.

So if X person comes from Y country, therefore X person can be assumed to be a misogynist/violent (or at least we should start with the assumption that they're a violent misogynist and wait for them to prove otherwise)?

People are NOT walking embodiments of the social mores of their country. They're individuals and should be judged as individuals, just as you expect to be.

Nobody claims 'every' migrant claiming asylum is fleeing political persecution.

I know that some people come to the UK because their country's economy/healthcare/education system has been devastated by decades of conflict and corrupt government and they're desperate to make a life somewhere else with more opportunity. The fact that economic migrants are vilified in the way that they are makes me sick. They're doing EXACTLY what any of us would do in their situation, and they often have bloody hard lives.

And that's not me arguing for an open door immigration policy. That's me pointing out that you don't need to assume that 'failed asylum seekers' and 'economic migrants' are evil and dangerous. It's what you would be if you hadn't had the extreme good fortune of being born in a wealthy country.