To be worried about what the Labour government will do next?

[Scenicgirl]

Let's be honest, Labour has been a massive disappointment for this country, pissing off the pensioners with taking away the WFA, the farmers, NI changes which impact employers, immigration etc and today refusing compensation to the WASPI women after they ridiculed the Conservatives when they didn't commit to a solution. Don't we deserve better than this constant shit show of lies and deceptions which were clearly spouted out purely to gain power?
For the 1st time in my life, I worry about where we are heading.

No-one elected Starmer, we don't elect the PM, surely any intelligent person knows that!
Being much, much older than most on here I am not at all surprised, I have lived through the Labour governments before, not good experiences.

I love that there are people who think companies can make massive infrastructure decisions in what 6 weeks since the budget?

The reality of Brexit is just beginning to show now, and will only worsen over the coming years and months as our practices diverge further from EU legislation.

Did you not read the thread about the small businesses and NI? The increased paperwork, and costs related actually stopping people with micro businesses in their tracks? December 13th this year was when this started to happen, purely because of brexit.

That’s exactly what I’m talking about, people who live here who are affected by global events.
People often talk as though foreign aid is a kindness. It’s not, it’s transactional.

We should also get rid of faith schools, special schools, grammar schools, catchment areas, specialist schools (maths, performing arts etc) any paid for extras and share our education budget with the rest of the world. It would mean your own children’s education would get considerably worse but it would be much fairer and it would be in line with your moral stance. If you are willing to make those kind of changes then I can respect your opinion even if I disagree with it. If you just want other people to make changes to suit your principles then it is harder to respect your views.

Yes, because the bar has to be set somewhere. If he's missing out it means he has been means tested and found to have resources that that indicate he doesn't need it.

If this means he is struggling you can do a check on benefits he may be entitled to.

When I was the part of the small minority shouting out against the continuing covid lockdowns, I was shouted down by all my friends who were quite happy to get paid to stay home. I could see we were building a debt that was going to cost us massively. Sorry to say but we are now reaping what we sowed.

That doesn’t make sense. I haven’t seen anyone advocating for all children to have exactly the same education, only that all children should have access to good quality education funded by us all. Private education is inherently unfair and perpetuates inequality. Nobody, whatever their stance, could sensibly argue otherwise. It’s the whole point of the independent sector!

Yep, weren't it dishy Rishi then.

From what I remember although the tories were in charge. Labour were actually shouting for longer and harder lockdowns.

With all respects, you super- intelligent person, Starmer was the leader of the elected party at the time of the elections, so we knew who the PM would be, dah!
Boris was, at the time (on his second take). Neither Trust or Sunak were the leaders of the party at the time any citizen voted, dah. So nobody from the general electorate had any chance to approve or disapprove of them and their "new" ideas. Which I find very very un- democratic. I do not approve of a string of PMs rolling in, blaming each other and doing nothing for the country. This is one of the top reasons UK is in the estate we find it today. People supporting a party that cannot keep it together for 5 years. But, I am the stupid one..... because I do not support the idea of a government working against itself, to get A,B,C,D.... into power for 5 minutes? I may not want to be your kind of intelligent, darling.

@Alltheunreadbooks You have no idea how low the income level is for pension benefit do you? It wax below the higher state pension!! Below. Few people getting a few hundred £ a year above that get 1p. Savings must be negligible. These people just above the very low cut off are going to struggle. They always have. They were NOT suitable targets to help pay for doctors. There is no issue with better off pensioners losing WFA, but marginal pensioners have been truly shafted. As have Waspi women.

The dishonesty during the election and before is plain wrong. Everyone knew the finances were in a state after Covid. Labour over promised. As usual. I knew they could not afford everything and have made choices to favour unionized workers at the expense of older people.

Did you ignore the fact that he has an income just above the pension credit amount? But apparently that makes him “rich” according to the current Government.

I can't believe anyone could consider a politician of any persuasion a grown up.

Nobody was “shouting”. We were in an unknown situation and our then government wasn’t acting in our best interests.
It’s been hilarious in the post Covid years to listen to all the people who claim they were Cassandra at the time and have definitely been proven right since. Rose tinted spectacle syndrome going on for sure!

In 2017, Labour commissioned a report that said 4000 pensioners would freeze to death of the Tories removed WFA. Energy prices have skyrocketed since then. I don't think the Labour fans would be so delighted with the policy if the Tories had done it. As a carer, I dread to think what the PIP and disability reforms will be.

Land rich farmers will be driven out and for what? The fields that feed us to be covered in solar panels? Anyone with half a brain would make it law that solar panels are installed on car parks, industrial sites, retail parks etc and all new builds but not Miliband, he'll stand by while the environment is desecrated by luxury detached housing estates on flood plains and we're all stuck with massive food insecurity. Some mumsnetters are going to get a terrible shock when they find out food doesn't come from Waitrose after all.

Then there's the Assisted Dying Bill, the unbelievable corruption and grabbiness, the ongoing prison release debacle after Mahmood assured us that she'd sorted out whatever mess she claimed the Tories had left behind, so much more. Bleating about 'grown-ups' just doesn't cut it any more, that got old within a week of the election. Labour were a massive mistake and sometimes Mumsnet can be so out of step with the general population.

I always think it must be people who don't know their own minds who see the government as like parents

Do you have a link to a member of the government saying people just over the threshold are “rich”? Only we hear that claim a lot and I’m not aware of it having been said.

So instead of kids ruining this country, we have ‘grown ups’ ruining the UK instead???

The piss poor turn out at the last election meant that there weren't a huge amount of people with a positive view of Labour even then and even though the Conservatives were massively unpopular. I cannot imagine anyone who didnt vote or who didn't vote for Labour, now thinking after the shitshow since July "do you know what. These people are the honest, non-grasping, competent folk they claim to be. The budget was excellent; a real boost for growth, they know exactly what they are doing and they are really ruling in the interests of everyone in the country. Things are going well. I think I will now vote for Labour instead!"

Labour are stuffed now and the country just needs to mark time and get through the next few years without Rachel from customer services needing to go to the IMF for a bailout. Reform and/or Conservatives need to sort themselves out to give a positive offer to the electorate and that's where the current problem lies as we don't (yet) have a viable alternative. We will.

What will they tax next…ooh I know, oxygen!

The economy is getting better and better every day:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgmndllpz9o

The London stock market has shrunk at its fastest pace in over a decade as companies are pulling ore “fucking off and leaving” taking their investment and tax with them. Slow hand clap 👏🏻

A decade when the Conservatives were the Government ? Has Brexit had any impact on companies pulling out ?

@ChallahPlaiter The government acts in their own best interests not public's one. I wish they were accountable for the decisions they make.

I thrive on original opinions different to my own. The original post read like an example of Conservative Party boilerplate.

The NHS is not underfunded. We are a healthservice with a country attached. It is the biggest employer in the world after the Chinese army. It's badly set up, badly run and there are too many people in the country.

And don't call people "moron". It's rude and ineffective in making your point.