To be worried about what the Labour government will do next?

[Scenicgirl]

Let's be honest, Labour has been a massive disappointment for this country, pissing off the pensioners with taking away the WFA, the farmers, NI changes which impact employers, immigration etc and today refusing compensation to the WASPI women after they ridiculed the Conservatives when they didn't commit to a solution. Don't we deserve better than this constant shit show of lies and deceptions which were clearly spouted out purely to gain power?
For the 1st time in my life, I worry about where we are heading.

There are more millionaires using state currently than in indy. Why aren't they helping to improve the state schools they use?
Are you telling me that only Indy parents are invested? Of course not so why is it the responsibility of indy parents to improve state schools? Why do you feel we will be able to work miracles where you have failed?
Majority of parents choosing indy have also previously used state, or will in the future so of course they also care. Many use primary state and indy secondary and then move back to state for 6th form. Very few do the full YrR-13 journey in Indy.

@ChallahPlaiter the gov you support has used a flimsy policy that will damage education not help.

But worse their policies are downgrading growth and driving out jobs, including those on lower incomes. So why do you want that outcome?

@ChallahPlaiter Why? Why should you pay more tax when you are already contributing to pay for education through taxation, and then saving the government money by not using the services. Many countries, including, Germany, Canada & Australia give tax rebates to those using private education.

Well they are a freelance SENCO that works in a number of schools. They know what they are talking about.

That is where you and I disagree about "fairness". You see fairness more terms of everyone having the same opportunity in life and money not being able to buy you advantages. I see fairness in being rewarded for my efforts and being able to use that reward to do the best I can by my family without having to subsidise the population who perhaps didn't make the same sacrifices and put in the same amount of work.

On the subject of school fees, I think Labour have strayed from an acceptable equilibrium in this scale.

This policy won't address inequality and will widen the gap

Clearly I’m not telling you that only private school parents are invested. 😂

If you don’t understand that the more people, and the more diverse range of people use state schools, the more incentive there will be to
improve those schools - across the board - I’m not sure I can help you any further. * *

Doubtful, but time will tell.

Very presumptuous to assume you know what party I support or whether I support the actions of the current government.

Yes. Not what I said but good news!

How on earth would you know how I see fairness?

You think indy parents are going to put their kids in a low performing comp?

I'm just sad that you don't think that the parents who currently use state schools aren't invested, educated or driven enough to be able to exact change without the input of indy parents.

And the UK doesn’t. 🤷‍♀️

You make paying for privilege seem almost altruistic!

Excellent twisting!

It's already happening. Middle class parents being priced out, schools cutting fee assistance for lower income families. Schools having to attract more wealthy overseas pupils just to stay afloat.
None of that helps to decrease inequality.

@ChallahPlaiter do you only support their VAT policy?

Do you acknowledge that many of Labour's policies are bad for growth and funding?

If so that's quite targeted on schools. I really don't think you'll get the outcomes you're after. Other countries avoid doing the same as they are aware of the damage not benefit

In your view.

I’m discussing VAT on private education just now.

Like most sensible people I take a nuanced view. Don’t you? There are policies I agree with and those I don’t.

Well there is data....

The biggest cause of inequality and lack of social mobility is whether a child comes from a 2 parent + 2 income household. The type of school they go to is down around #8 of factors

Add "I suspect" before my second sentence.

Does that make it insignificant?

We also need to bear in mind structural inequality, not just individual life chances.

Suspect what you like.

For suspect, read assume.

Well yes it is fairly insignificant compared to the 7 factors above it
VAT only widens the gap as indy schools become out of reach for any but the truly wealthy and poorer parents are priced out of catchments of good state schools. Already happening in Aberdeen + Edinburgh with English LAs following suit.

And can nothing be done about this? Is it an immutable fact?

I’m discussing VAT on private education just now.

Yes I get you're very keen on VAT but you're getting the whole Labour lot

There's no way it's worth stagnating the economy and losing jobs for, it's disruptive and low benefit to dc education

Why would inequality decrease anyway, it'll just widen the gap