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To be worried about what the Labour government will do next?

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Scenicgirl · 17/12/2024 22:46

Let's be honest, Labour has been a massive disappointment for this country, pissing off the pensioners with taking away the WFA, the farmers, NI changes which impact employers, immigration etc and today refusing compensation to the WASPI women after they ridiculed the Conservatives when they didn't commit to a solution. Don't we deserve better than this constant shit show of lies and deceptions which were clearly spouted out purely to gain power?
For the 1st time in my life, I worry about where we are heading.

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ChallahPlaiter · 19/12/2024 13:18

Everanewbie · 19/12/2024 13:05

'Attack' is terminology used across several publications when discussing tax raids. Maybe it is dramatic, however I don't compose MN posts giving thought to every single word, with my thesaurus handily by my side. Raid? Grab?

Thankfully, I am not disabled and the extent to which the government decides I must pay a proportion of my income to the state of course pales in significance to the struggles of disabled people. But I don't think the answer to perceived unfairness is to just say "oh well, there is someone worse off so I should count myself lucky". There are lots of people who could play that game. There may be people more profoundly disabled or people from places suffering famine and war.

Also, given the state of, well, state education, I don't see private education as a luxury. Its a priority for me. Other people might prioritise a range rover or fancy watches, holidays and so on. Its isn't taxed elsewhere in Europe, and its a grab from those perceived to be wealthy.

I’m not playing a game. Your wording was crass, as is your implication that disability is necessarily a struggle, or something to be thankful for if you’re not affected by it.

Bear in mind also, that the vast majority of us use the state education system for our children. Personally if I encounter problems, I liaise with whoever I need to and get them resolved. I don’t choose to buy my way out, any more than I indulge in conspicuous consumerism in the form of flashy watches or environmentally catastrophic cars.

It’s never edifying to hear privileged people whine about “attacks”, “raids” and “grabs” when asked to make a fair contribution.

Hotflushesandchilblains · 19/12/2024 13:19

EasternStandard · 19/12/2024 13:17

The BoE downgraded growth today due to Labour's policies. How does that help?

Difficult times - it is not a surprise to anyone. And as someone who had to take on a second job after the shit show that was Truss, I am not willing to say Tories are better for the economy. We are royally fucked right now - stuff like the BoE decision is inevitable. So yes, all the bashing of a relatively new government is VU.

ChallahPlaiter · 19/12/2024 13:19

twistyizzy · 19/12/2024 12:57

So you just make the gap wider 🙄

How?

Everanewbie · 19/12/2024 13:28

ChallahPlaiter · 19/12/2024 13:18

I’m not playing a game. Your wording was crass, as is your implication that disability is necessarily a struggle, or something to be thankful for if you’re not affected by it.

Bear in mind also, that the vast majority of us use the state education system for our children. Personally if I encounter problems, I liaise with whoever I need to and get them resolved. I don’t choose to buy my way out, any more than I indulge in conspicuous consumerism in the form of flashy watches or environmentally catastrophic cars.

It’s never edifying to hear privileged people whine about “attacks”, “raids” and “grabs” when asked to make a fair contribution.

I don't think that we'll ever agree about private education and that is only a small part of the OP.

I do take exception to your determination to seek offense in anything that I post. Again "game" is a figure of speech. My plight is far easier than a lot of people have it. I accept that completely, and if people have a limited amount of fucks to give, I don't expect them to send them my way based on a frozen tax thresholds and VAT on school fees.

But I don't accept attempts to shut down opinions down by just saying "well, disabled people have it rougher". Its stupid.

Boohoo76 · 19/12/2024 13:30

ChallahPlaiter · 19/12/2024 13:18

I’m not playing a game. Your wording was crass, as is your implication that disability is necessarily a struggle, or something to be thankful for if you’re not affected by it.

Bear in mind also, that the vast majority of us use the state education system for our children. Personally if I encounter problems, I liaise with whoever I need to and get them resolved. I don’t choose to buy my way out, any more than I indulge in conspicuous consumerism in the form of flashy watches or environmentally catastrophic cars.

It’s never edifying to hear privileged people whine about “attacks”, “raids” and “grabs” when asked to make a fair contribution.

What would you do if a teacher at your catchment state school told you not to send your DC there? The fact that you think you can resolve all problems you encounter, shows a complete lack of understanding of why some parents use private schools.

EasternStandard · 19/12/2024 13:30

Hotflushesandchilblains · 19/12/2024 13:19

Difficult times - it is not a surprise to anyone. And as someone who had to take on a second job after the shit show that was Truss, I am not willing to say Tories are better for the economy. We are royally fucked right now - stuff like the BoE decision is inevitable. So yes, all the bashing of a relatively new government is VU.

the BoE decision is inevitable

That's the problem though it's not inevitable. Growth was up in first half of the year and has now been downgraded.

Look at the BoE who confirm it's due to Labour policies.

“The prospective increase in labour costs from higher National Insurance contributions from next April, announced in the Budget, is currently weighing heavily on sentiment,” the Bank said.

Companies are considering cutting their headcount, accelerating investment in automation, and offshoring labour to deal with the National Insurance hike, it added.

Everanewbie · 19/12/2024 13:31

ChallahPlaiter · 19/12/2024 13:18

I’m not playing a game. Your wording was crass, as is your implication that disability is necessarily a struggle, or something to be thankful for if you’re not affected by it.

Bear in mind also, that the vast majority of us use the state education system for our children. Personally if I encounter problems, I liaise with whoever I need to and get them resolved. I don’t choose to buy my way out, any more than I indulge in conspicuous consumerism in the form of flashy watches or environmentally catastrophic cars.

It’s never edifying to hear privileged people whine about “attacks”, “raids” and “grabs” when asked to make a fair contribution.

And what do you deem a fair contribution? My husband pays tax at 60% on some earnings. Is that not enough? You want more? But on another thread you'll want to line his pockets with gold because our NHS is under threat from wicked Tories and whatever, and you need to look after our Doctors!

38thparallel · 19/12/2024 13:32

Good. Hopefully they will see the value of paying tax when their kids are subjected to a state education sector that has been deprived of funding for years.

HRT This tax isn’t going to help state schools. For a start where are the 650 teachers coming from when teachers are leaving the profession in droves?
It was a tax to satisfy the left of the party by punishing a group of people they dislike.

twistyizzy · 19/12/2024 13:32

ChallahPlaiter · 19/12/2024 13:19

How?

Because you make indy schools only for the truly wealthy ie you tax middle classes out and schools end fee assistance for lower income families.
Indy schools then become solely the bastions of wealthy overseas + UK parents.
The middle classes use their money to enhance state eg tutors for all GCSE subjects and buy houses in catchment of best state schools.
So you do nothing to lower the inequality gap.
Surely that's obvious?

Scenicgirl · 19/12/2024 13:38

twistyizzy · 19/12/2024 09:35

Because Labour are in government now. At what point do Labour stop blaming Tories for everything. They are making choices whilst ignoring all the evidence about the impact of their policies.
Guardian/BBC etc are both reporting potential recession, rising inflation yet Labour supporters are denying it all.

To repeat what I've previously said, this is exactly what will enable Reform to sneak in. Labour and Tories are too tied up with fighting each other and playing tit for tat, voters are sick of it as the lives of the average person constantly gets worse, no matter who is in power. That's how Farage etc end up winning votes.

The highly aggressive and downright rude comments on here bashing anyone who disagrees with Labour just makes people turn away even more.

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I agree with you re your last paragraph. This no longer feels like the friendly forum that it used to be with some people getting aggressive and downright nasty if you happen to have any views that don't match theirs.

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ChallahPlaiter · 19/12/2024 13:44

Everanewbie · 19/12/2024 13:28

I don't think that we'll ever agree about private education and that is only a small part of the OP.

I do take exception to your determination to seek offense in anything that I post. Again "game" is a figure of speech. My plight is far easier than a lot of people have it. I accept that completely, and if people have a limited amount of fucks to give, I don't expect them to send them my way based on a frozen tax thresholds and VAT on school fees.

But I don't accept attempts to shut down opinions down by just saying "well, disabled people have it rougher". Its stupid.

As if that was what I said.

ChallahPlaiter · 19/12/2024 13:46

Boohoo76 · 19/12/2024 13:30

What would you do if a teacher at your catchment state school told you not to send your DC there? The fact that you think you can resolve all problems you encounter, shows a complete lack of understanding of why some parents use private schools.

Well I’m an incredibly experienced parent and I’ve resolved a multitude of issues so yeah, pretty confident in my ability not to have to panic buy education.

twistyizzy · 19/12/2024 13:48

ChallahPlaiter · 19/12/2024 13:46

Well I’m an incredibly experienced parent and I’ve resolved a multitude of issues so yeah, pretty confident in my ability not to have to panic buy education.

Wow what an incredibly dismissive and patronising reply

Boohoo76 · 19/12/2024 13:55

ChallahPlaiter · 19/12/2024 13:46

Well I’m an incredibly experienced parent and I’ve resolved a multitude of issues so yeah, pretty confident in my ability not to have to panic buy education.

You didn’t answer my question…

Everanewbie · 19/12/2024 13:58

ChallahPlaiter · 19/12/2024 13:46

Well I’m an incredibly experienced parent and I’ve resolved a multitude of issues so yeah, pretty confident in my ability not to have to panic buy education.

Panic buy? Choosing a school was perhaps the most measured, considered and researched endeavour I have ever embarked upon. I planned it for years, made sacrifices for years and will carry on making sacrifices for years. Funny how you take this luxury line with schools though, I bet if someone suggested that people on benefits shouldn't be going on holidays or own an iphone you'd be singing a different tune.

ChallahPlaiter · 19/12/2024 14:03

Everanewbie · 19/12/2024 13:31

And what do you deem a fair contribution? My husband pays tax at 60% on some earnings. Is that not enough? You want more? But on another thread you'll want to line his pockets with gold because our NHS is under threat from wicked Tories and whatever, and you need to look after our Doctors!

Sorry, I have no idea what you’re talking about in your last sentence.

I’m not really interested in your husband’s income tax; it’s irrelevant. I mean it doesn’t obviate his responsibility to pay other taxes does it? So if you want to use an extraneous service like private education, you have to accept the costs that come with it.

ChallahPlaiter · 19/12/2024 14:04

twistyizzy · 19/12/2024 13:48

Wow what an incredibly dismissive and patronising reply

And?

ChallahPlaiter · 19/12/2024 14:06

twistyizzy · 19/12/2024 13:32

Because you make indy schools only for the truly wealthy ie you tax middle classes out and schools end fee assistance for lower income families.
Indy schools then become solely the bastions of wealthy overseas + UK parents.
The middle classes use their money to enhance state eg tutors for all GCSE subjects and buy houses in catchment of best state schools.
So you do nothing to lower the inequality gap.
Surely that's obvious?

Not to me it isn’t.

The more people using the state system, the better state schools become.

ChallahPlaiter · 19/12/2024 14:06

Boohoo76 · 19/12/2024 13:55

You didn’t answer my question…

Oh right. I’d ask that teacher why they continued to work in a school they felt so negatively about.

ChallahPlaiter · 19/12/2024 14:07

Everanewbie · 19/12/2024 13:58

Panic buy? Choosing a school was perhaps the most measured, considered and researched endeavour I have ever embarked upon. I planned it for years, made sacrifices for years and will carry on making sacrifices for years. Funny how you take this luxury line with schools though, I bet if someone suggested that people on benefits shouldn't be going on holidays or own an iphone you'd be singing a different tune.

That’s nice but not relevant.

twistyizzy · 19/12/2024 14:11

ChallahPlaiter · 19/12/2024 14:06

Not to me it isn’t.

The more people using the state system, the better state schools become.

How?
Where do you think the money comes from? Each child that leaves indy for state is an increased cost to the taxpayer of £7.5K per year, more if they have SEN.
In increase in kids using state doesn't mean it automatically becomes better, otherwise why is it in crisis already when 93% of school age kids are currently using it?
How can the 7% of kids from Indy schools magically improve state schools?
This is completely naive and blinkered thinking.

EasternStandard · 19/12/2024 14:12

The more people using the state system, the better state schools become.

State schools depend on funding as much as anything else. Just driving more people to use them whilst driving down growth as Labour are won't help

ChallahPlaiter · 19/12/2024 14:13

twistyizzy · 19/12/2024 14:11

How?
Where do you think the money comes from? Each child that leaves indy for state is an increased cost to the taxpayer of £7.5K per year, more if they have SEN.
In increase in kids using state doesn't mean it automatically becomes better, otherwise why is it in crisis already when 93% of school age kids are currently using it?
How can the 7% of kids from Indy schools magically improve state schools?
This is completely naive and blinkered thinking.

If people who feel invested enough to use private education have no choice but to use the state system, they can - and will - use that sense of investment to engage with their childrens’ schools and improve them.

If you had no choice but to live in a run-down house, would you not paint the walls and put some pictures up?

Everanewbie · 19/12/2024 14:14

ChallahPlaiter · 19/12/2024 14:03

Sorry, I have no idea what you’re talking about in your last sentence.

I’m not really interested in your husband’s income tax; it’s irrelevant. I mean it doesn’t obviate his responsibility to pay other taxes does it? So if you want to use an extraneous service like private education, you have to accept the costs that come with it.

Well the government unfortunately agrees with you. I don't. It angers me. It annoys me. I think the government have done wrong. But I don't dismiss them for it and I think they've made some good choices too.

But, I recognise my fortunate position. Mainly through my husband's brilliance and hard work, but I've contributed quite a bit through my own successful career and support of his crazy hours and stress. A lot of people will envy our position to send our child to private school, but I doubt many will envy how we reached that position. So I don't apologise for it.

ChallahPlaiter · 19/12/2024 14:17

Everanewbie · 19/12/2024 14:14

Well the government unfortunately agrees with you. I don't. It angers me. It annoys me. I think the government have done wrong. But I don't dismiss them for it and I think they've made some good choices too.

But, I recognise my fortunate position. Mainly through my husband's brilliance and hard work, but I've contributed quite a bit through my own successful career and support of his crazy hours and stress. A lot of people will envy our position to send our child to private school, but I doubt many will envy how we reached that position. So I don't apologise for it.

Nobody is asking you to apologise for it.

I think a left wing government would be wrong if it failed to address inequality, and our two tier education system epitomises inequality.

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