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To be worried about what the Labour government will do next?

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Scenicgirl · 17/12/2024 22:46

Let's be honest, Labour has been a massive disappointment for this country, pissing off the pensioners with taking away the WFA, the farmers, NI changes which impact employers, immigration etc and today refusing compensation to the WASPI women after they ridiculed the Conservatives when they didn't commit to a solution. Don't we deserve better than this constant shit show of lies and deceptions which were clearly spouted out purely to gain power?
For the 1st time in my life, I worry about where we are heading.

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Anonym00se · 19/12/2024 09:52

How much compo did the Tories give to the WASPI women?

Njtuiw4 · 19/12/2024 09:58

Wond3747 · 19/12/2024 08:19

Which are?

Well under Boris he unveiled a green industrial revolution and was very active against the fight against climate change.

Under the Tories in general we've seen renewable energy increase massively and also decarbonise faster than our competitors.

Alexandra2001 · 19/12/2024 10:05

Njtuiw4 · 19/12/2024 09:58

Well under Boris he unveiled a green industrial revolution and was very active against the fight against climate change.

Under the Tories in general we've seen renewable energy increase massively and also decarbonise faster than our competitors.

TBF to the Cons, they did, though Sunak did roll back on much of this & they banned on shore wind too.

I also will never understand why for 14 years, they never mandated solar on the roofs of new builds.

whether Labour will do this for the 350k houses they plan (but wont build) each year is anyone's guess.

We don't have the trades to build that number of homes, something else the Tories allowed to happen.

twistyizzy · 19/12/2024 10:08

Everanewbie · 19/12/2024 09:51

Well, I think it is still a bit soon to judge the government. But on the things you've stated:

WFA - Correct decision in principle. Pensioners are the wealthiest demographic with 1/4 over 65s living in a household with >£1m assets. Blanket subsidies from those with a fraction of their income/assets is offensive to me. That said, the threshold was too low. I realise admin costs are prohibitive but my starting point would be average property price in assets plus equivalent income to NMW per household. So maybe no WFA for those with £300,000 of assets including house, plus a household income of £25k-ish.

Farmers IHT - I agree with them in principle but if we mess up farming we mess up our food supply. This was a difficult one and applaud their bravery in being decisive.

WASPI - I'm tired of hearing about this. It was the right decision to equalise SPA and the right decision to speed up the increase in SPA given life expectancy and the burden on the taxpayer. Paying billions in compensation to the wealthiest demographic because a few women apparently live on the moon is an insult to the working population bearing the biggest tax burden in generations.

Immigration - Well, they seem to be using tougher rhetoric than I perhaps imagined. The proof of the pudding will be in the eating once the figures come out. Fingers crossed we can get some logic to our policies where we welcome productive people to fill our vacancies and keep out those who hate our values and are a drain.

What I fear with this government is that they are dragging us ever deeper into the Ukraine war which is dangerous and ultimately futile. I also fear the government are proving to be a flaky ally to Israel in their hour of need.

Closer to home, I fear that the government sees middle earners as a cash cow, even more so than the last government. VAT on school fees and continued freezing of tax thresholds are evidence of that, but I hope this is the end point and not a thin end of the wedge of the raid on the lower-middle classes.

Because so far it hasn't hit you but you are afraid it might do?

Njtuiw4 · 19/12/2024 10:11

Alexandra2001 · 19/12/2024 10:05

TBF to the Cons, they did, though Sunak did roll back on much of this & they banned on shore wind too.

I also will never understand why for 14 years, they never mandated solar on the roofs of new builds.

whether Labour will do this for the 350k houses they plan (but wont build) each year is anyone's guess.

We don't have the trades to build that number of homes, something else the Tories allowed to happen.

Yes. I liked Sunak as chancellor, but was a bit unimpressed with him rolling back the green policies. He said it would put up costs to consumers. Discussions I've had was that he probably did it to win back some reform votes.

I think Sunak slowly was removing the restrictions on Onshore wind, but I believe the Tories banned it in the first place to keep/win the rural vote.

Everanewbie · 19/12/2024 10:15

twistyizzy · 19/12/2024 10:08

Because so far it hasn't hit you but you are afraid it might do?

No, it has very much hit me with the school fees and the continued freeze in thresholds. But at the moment I view the school fees as a slap to the face, and the tax a continuation of the previous Tory assault. But I worry that the school fees thing is the prelude to a larger attack. I hope not.

twistyizzy · 19/12/2024 11:31

Yet putting the employer NI up means massive costs for hospices

BIossomtoes · 19/12/2024 11:32

Some people are never happy, are they?

EasternStandard · 19/12/2024 11:34

The FT was likely first but it has been picked up by others. The Guardian for those who can't access the FT and ask for links

amp.theguardian.com/business/2024/dec/16/uk-businesses-cut-staff-budget-national-insurance-pmi-survey

“Economic growth momentum has been lost since the robust expansion seen earlier in the year, as businesses and households have responded negatively to the new Labour government’s downbeat rhetoric and policies,” said Chris Williamson, the chief business economist at S&P Global Market Intelligence, which compiles the PMI survey.

That's the issue for Labour they've managed to disrupt the earlier growth through their policies

Official figures last week showed Britain’s economy shrank by 0.1% in October, underlining the scale of the challenge facing Keir Starmer to make the UK the fastest-growing G7 economy.

twistyizzy · 19/12/2024 11:34

BIossomtoes · 19/12/2024 11:32

Some people are never happy, are they?

You were the one who brought up hospices. They are being hit massively by the rise in employers NI, as are GP surgeries etc.

BIossomtoes · 19/12/2024 11:40

twistyizzy · 19/12/2024 11:34

You were the one who brought up hospices. They are being hit massively by the rise in employers NI, as are GP surgeries etc.

I don’t think a 1.2% increase in wage costs could be accurately described as “massive”. If it had been a decrease I have no doubt it would have been described as “derisory”.

Njtuiw4 · 19/12/2024 11:41

I'll say though (as a Tory) if the Labour government do manage to improve things and we see observable metrics improve, I'll congratulate them.

twistyizzy · 19/12/2024 11:43

BIossomtoes · 19/12/2024 11:40

I don’t think a 1.2% increase in wage costs could be accurately described as “massive”. If it had been a decrease I have no doubt it would have been described as “derisory”.

Funny because it is costing my company over £1 million and result = recruitment freeze and potential cuts. It was an unforseen rise so not forecast/budgeted for in our annual budget in April.
That's the problem, Labour don't/won't accept the impact of policies such as these. If companies halt recruitment/make job cuts as result of a policy then the policy is damaging to the economy + society.

EasternStandard · 19/12/2024 11:48

@twistyizzy it's reflected in the figures and that article

“Firms are responding to the increase in national insurance contributions and new regulations around staffing with a marked pull-back in hiring.”

I'm not sure why that's a good thing or wanted by Labour

BIossomtoes · 19/12/2024 11:48

It doesn’t start until April next year so not being part of this year’s budget process is irrelevant. The profits for an employer that will incur £1 million in additional costs must be truly “massive”.

twistyizzy · 19/12/2024 11:48

BIossomtoes · 19/12/2024 11:48

It doesn’t start until April next year so not being part of this year’s budget process is irrelevant. The profits for an employer that will incur £1 million in additional costs must be truly “massive”.

It is a charity

Alexandra2001 · 19/12/2024 12:09

twistyizzy · 19/12/2024 11:34

You were the one who brought up hospices. They are being hit massively by the rise in employers NI, as are GP surgeries etc.

They will have a net gain of £70m from the extra money given.

The Tories CUT Hospice funding by 25% since 2015, despite increasing demand for Hospice care.... no posts from Tory supporters on this, they probably cheered.

If you were ever a labour voter, i'll eat my hat, you seem incapable of recognising any good they've done - nor come up with any ideas on how to raise £10 billion, almost all of which would go to people who knew perfectly well the change in pension ages.

twistyizzy · 19/12/2024 12:09

BIossomtoes · 19/12/2024 11:48

It doesn’t start until April next year so not being part of this year’s budget process is irrelevant. The profits for an employer that will incur £1 million in additional costs must be truly “massive”.

This year's budget matters massively, we have to prepare for a £1 million expense next year so have to cut costs this year ti fund that rise. That impacts every part of this year's budget.

twistyizzy · 19/12/2024 12:12

Alexandra2001 · 19/12/2024 12:09

They will have a net gain of £70m from the extra money given.

The Tories CUT Hospice funding by 25% since 2015, despite increasing demand for Hospice care.... no posts from Tory supporters on this, they probably cheered.

If you were ever a labour voter, i'll eat my hat, you seem incapable of recognising any good they've done - nor come up with any ideas on how to raise £10 billion, almost all of which would go to people who knew perfectly well the change in pension ages.

Up until this election yes I was, whether you believe me or not I don't care.

EasternStandard · 19/12/2024 12:19

Surely it's easy to see people change how they vote. Already polling shows many switch

Not everyone is fixed on one party hence that shift and Labour aren't doing particularly well with ratings. As the 5 months headline showed

ChallahPlaiter · 19/12/2024 12:19

Everanewbie · 19/12/2024 10:15

No, it has very much hit me with the school fees and the continued freeze in thresholds. But at the moment I view the school fees as a slap to the face, and the tax a continuation of the previous Tory assault. But I worry that the school fees thing is the prelude to a larger attack. I hope not.

An attack? Slightly dramatic, no? You should try being disabled! We’ve been attacked every day for the past 14 years, no end in sight yet. You’re just being asked to pay VAT on a luxury product.

twistyizzy · 19/12/2024 12:21

ChallahPlaiter · 19/12/2024 12:19

An attack? Slightly dramatic, no? You should try being disabled! We’ve been attacked every day for the past 14 years, no end in sight yet. You’re just being asked to pay VAT on a luxury product.

VAT isn't a luxury tax
Education isn't a luxury

Try again

HRT · 19/12/2024 12:22

A private education is a luxury few can afford

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