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To just cancel the meeting if this friend doesn't confirm tonight?

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suzettenoisette · 14/12/2024 16:48

I have a new friend who tends to change plans all of the time. Let's say we decided to meet for coffee a week ago and chose a time, date and place. She will then contact me several times throughout the week to make changes and adjustments.

I do believe that she wants to meet me because she initiates most meetings, but the change of plans is driving me crazy. I have already told her that it would be great if she'd confirm earlier, because her last minute planning is difficult for me to manage as I also want to spend time with family and have chores to do. I don't have many friends here yet and that is maybe why I'm trying again and again but wondering if I should just not bother anymore? She is a nice person, but even though I have told her that this is hard for me it doesn't seem to change.

Our most recent conversation for a meeting tomorrow went like this:

She wrote on Monday if I would like to meet this weekend. I said: "Sure" and asked her if she had something specific in mind. She said she'd like to go for coffee and suggested a cafe she likes. I asked her if time X fit her and she said "yes". So for me it was arranged and I looked forward to it. I have a busy week and she contacted me on Wednesday again asking if I wanted to do something else (bowling) at a different time and in a different place instead. I told her that I would prefer to stick to the original plan as I know from experience she always tries to change things and I'm stressed out by it, which she knows. She said "okay". On Friday she contacted me again saying that she couldn't get a table at this cafe. I had previously asked her if I should make the reservation as I have done lots of bookings for our meetings before, but she said she'd take care of it. So she told me we'd have to go to another place and she picked one that is two tube stations away from the original place so that was fine by me.

Today she contacts me again and says that she wants to meet earlier because the new cafe is further away and she wants to spend more time with me. But for me it is inconvenient to change the time yet again and the new cafe is less than 10 minutes away from our original meeting place. It also closes at 8 pm so we'd have lots of time. The replies to my last thread also helped me stay strong and not cave in again, so thanks for that (it is here, if you'd like to read it, I listed another conversation that we had earlier so you can see how it always goes: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5229148-planning-a-day-and-some-red-flags-am-i-the-problem?reply=140495090 )

She is now not repyling anymore, since I told her that I want to stick to the original time. Would you just go there tomorrow at time X or not? If she confirms tomorrow, should I go or cancel due to her giving me such short notice? She knows it stresses me and that I can't plan the rest of my day, e.g. go for breakfast with my family or book a sports class.

Sorry, this thread probably doesn't portray accurately how stressful it is, maybe also read our conversation before this one in the other thread. She always does this and it's so hard for me not knowing when we will meet and if we will meet as I can't plan things around our meetings. It's like she wants me to sit around all day and wait and not be able to arrange other things. We're also in London, so if she changes the location this can add lots of time to the journey as it is a huge city.

Thanks a lot for helping. It feels so good to just tell someone. She often doesn't write either, but sends long voice messages and it just stresses me out to listen to them several times per week and rearranging plans again and again.

What do I do? Go there? Wait for a reply? Cancel if she doesn't answer tonight? Or should I tell her again?

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I have a new friend whom I've known for a few months. She's a nice person, but we've met a few times now and the way she plans meetings is driving me...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5229148-planning-a-day-and-some-red-flags-am-i-the-problem?reply=140495090

OP posts:
mumda · 14/12/2024 18:03

Next time...if you decide to carry on.. say yes to her first plan and say instantly. That's great I'll be off for an appointment after that so it works well for me.

Then don't alter it. Say you've booked something else to do later (hair maybe or to meet someone else)

Imbusytodaysorry · 14/12/2024 18:04

I would make a decision right not that you are NOT meeting her tomorrow.
Draw a line under it now
Take the pressure of yourself thinking about it

She was happy when she could be fickle and change like the wind now you have said no she has chosen to ignore you . plenty reg flags with this “friend “

Op put your attention to someone else. .

suzettenoisette · 14/12/2024 18:32

Thank you all, I just sent the text.

OP posts:
ThatIsNotMyNameSoWhyAreYouCallingMeThat · 14/12/2024 18:39

Crunchymum · 14/12/2024 16:59

You could have just added this to the other thread?

I know you don't have many friends but does this mean you're willing to put up with being treated badly?

(The other thread actually gives more context - the comments about the trousers / food and the expectation you go out of your way to join her on her journey instead of making your own way somewhere are reason enough to let this friendships fade, let alone the constant changing of plans!!)

This.

TulipCat · 14/12/2024 18:42

I think this is called "passive controlling", as in she wants to run the show, and the way she does that is by making you dance to her tune. She knows you don't have many friends so sees you as an easy target for her self-absorption. Drop her.

Marine30 · 14/12/2024 18:47

No no no! I just read the other thread and she sounds rude and nasty. Swerve this one OP - she’s not good news.

suzettenoisette · 14/12/2024 18:49

TulipCat · 14/12/2024 18:42

I think this is called "passive controlling", as in she wants to run the show, and the way she does that is by making you dance to her tune. She knows you don't have many friends so sees you as an easy target for her self-absorption. Drop her.

Edited

Thanks, I will google this.

I don't think she knows, because the topic hasn't come up. But I do think she is trying to control me, after having read all of the comments. So probably best to focus on meeting new people.

OP posts:
suzettenoisette · 14/12/2024 19:28

She has replied "yes!" with 4 smiling emojis.

I'm honestly still so upset/stressed that I don't feel much like going, but I don't want to be like her and change things last minute. I think I will go tomorrow and then just not meet up again.

In the future, should she contact me again and ask for meetings, what should I reply? Just that I can't make it? At the moment I really don't want to do this again, it stressed me all week.

OP posts:
FrogsLoveRain · 14/12/2024 19:28

It's making her feel important as she's calling the shots.

Changing plans constantly is confirming that.

ThatIsNotMyNameSoWhyAreYouCallingMeThat · 14/12/2024 19:28

Just be busy.

Imbusytodaysorry · 14/12/2024 19:30

If you must go tomorow . After that jist I gnome her messages. You owe this perosn nothing

MatildaTheCat · 14/12/2024 19:41

Depends on how much you enjoy actually meeting her. I have a dear friend who had a real problem with committing to plans. I Came to loathe the expression ‘let’s play it by ear?’

So I just told her that no, I can’t operate like that. I have to have a plan and stick with it. Obviously sometimes there’s an exception and plans change but mostly no, you make a plan and stick to it.

She sounds like a spur of the moment type and you aren’t. So tell her tonight that this is stressful for you. See what she says.

suzettenoisette · 14/12/2024 19:45

I already told her, but it hasn't changed. I can tell her again tomorrow.

OP posts:
SeAmableSiempre · 14/12/2024 20:31

suzettenoisette · 14/12/2024 18:32

Thank you all, I just sent the text.

Well done OP, you’ve had a lucky escape x

SeAmableSiempre · 14/12/2024 20:38

suzettenoisette · 14/12/2024 19:28

She has replied "yes!" with 4 smiling emojis.

I'm honestly still so upset/stressed that I don't feel much like going, but I don't want to be like her and change things last minute. I think I will go tomorrow and then just not meet up again.

In the future, should she contact me again and ask for meetings, what should I reply? Just that I can't make it? At the moment I really don't want to do this again, it stressed me all week.

I wouldn’t go, and you’re under no obligation to offer an explanation or respond to any further invites. If it were me I would remove her contact details from everything and block her. Remove this person from your life, she’s toxic.

SeAmableSiempre · 14/12/2024 20:40

Imbusytodaysorry · 14/12/2024 18:04

I would make a decision right not that you are NOT meeting her tomorrow.
Draw a line under it now
Take the pressure of yourself thinking about it

She was happy when she could be fickle and change like the wind now you have said no she has chosen to ignore you . plenty reg flags with this “friend “

Op put your attention to someone else. .

This is the best advice!

Terrribletwos · 14/12/2024 20:42

Really op, she is causing you stress so just cut contact and remove her from your life and feel no guilt...I assure you she will survive perfectly well. Take care.

slightlydistrac · 14/12/2024 20:43

She's a pain in the arse. Friends are not supposed to be this much hard work.

lto2019 · 14/12/2024 21:09

I have a friend a little like this - although not as bad. She would often suggest meeting - and the place and time and then push the time back, change the place and then be late. I let it slide a couple of times as it made little difference to me. The third time, I felt like it was my time was less important and I could just adapt to her and I said no lets leave it and we will meet another time, I've things to do. She was very apologetic and has been fine since

FrogsLoveRain · 15/12/2024 00:15

Have you heard back from her?

CleverGreyDuck · 15/12/2024 00:25

Not at all it sounds so frustrating

Monty27 · 15/12/2024 00:27

TulipCat · 14/12/2024 18:42

I think this is called "passive controlling", as in she wants to run the show, and the way she does that is by making you dance to her tune. She knows you don't have many friends so sees you as an easy target for her self-absorption. Drop her.

Edited

You make the first arrangement and stick to it. Otherwise completely forget the waste of time reschedule.

Normallynumb · 15/12/2024 00:43

I commented on your other thread, but I'll say it again. Please get rid of this woman
Friends should not stress you out trying to arrange a simple time and place to meet and you deserve better

I think she enjoys pushing you around.
You need to find friends who reciprocate

CleverGreyDuck · 15/12/2024 01:33

SeAmableSiempre · 14/12/2024 20:38

I wouldn’t go, and you’re under no obligation to offer an explanation or respond to any further invites. If it were me I would remove her contact details from everything and block her. Remove this person from your life, she’s toxic.

This!

eightIsNewNine · 15/12/2024 01:40

I don't see why you consider it that evil and why you can't plan the rest of your day.

Agree on one option which works for you, plan the rest of your time, and if a change request comes, just say "this doesn't work, I have something else planned".