To be annoyed at being told to be considerate of disabled people

[DefendingPan]

This sign was in the disabled toilet in a restaurant (which is also the only baby change in the restaurant).

What’s the point of this sign? What might parents be doing that they will stop after reading this?

You do know invisible disabilities exist right? Most disabilities aren't visible. Your post is so offensive and - absurd coming that it is from a disabled person - ableist.

If your 3yo can stand then you can change them stood up. Ive done this with DS since he could stand.

I've stood him on the lid of a standard toilet in a standard cubicle and tore the sides of his pull up and wiped him down and disposed of it in the sanitary or nappy waste bins provided, and then undressed and redressed from the bottom.

I've no solution for a poonami for a baby, but as you say you can change baby's in lots of other places, you can even get folding travel changing mats to contain the mess.

There are a lot more available solutions for babies than there are for people with disabilities that require accessible toilets.

As a disabled person and also someone who has studied and worked in Equality for many years, I am dismayed that this is even an AIBU. Just to show consideration to disabled people. I’m completely flabbergasted to be honest. I would always wait my place in the queue behind a parent, but in the very very rare circumstance that I needed to ask to use the facility first, I would hope to be shown that courtesy.

There is if you buy it from an organisation. But people sell them on ebay and amazon.

i'm disabled, and a parent, and i have a disabled child. I use mobility aids, and sometimes a wheelchair when i'm out for long days that mean i'll be on my feet for longer than an hour (my absolute standing/walking time limit)

I have to say, i'm sick of parent of babies thinking they trump our right to the only toilet available to us.

They take our bus/train spaces, they take our bathrooms... yet we get bitched at for parking in the M&B spaces when there are no disabled ones left.

I walked an entire 2 kids worth of baby/toddler/nappy/pushchair in your shoes.. sit a while in my chair.. and of course, feel free to have my disability while you have my wheelchair space and bathroom.

Obviously that's what I meant 🙄

Don't blame the parents here, blame the cheapskates for not providing separate facilities.

and does that excuse the parents with toddlers that use our bathrooms just because they don't want to leave their pushchair while they pee? or can't keep an eye on their toddler in the smaller cubicles?

How about parents campaign for bigger cubicles, rather than using ours!

The sign is a dick move OP, yanbu

I don't think it's about making disabled people more important, it's about reminding able bodied parents that disabled people might have different needs from them, and might NOT BE ABLE TO CHANGE things like another parent could.
We're both parents

• you leave the changing table down, if I want to use the loo before I change my baby, I'll fold it, but someone in a wheelchair possible couldn't fold it or use the loo with it down.
• I tuck the pull cord out the way so my toddler doesn't play with it. If you wanted it there while you changed your baby, you could get it down, someone in a wheelchair couldn't.
• You move a bin or something to make it easier with your pram/kids, I can move it back if that's an easier configuration for me, a wheelchair user might not be able to move it even if they couldn't get to the loo with it where we'd put it.

Part of the problem is parents just assume they can use disabled facilities. Hence them not wanting to campaign for their own because it’s already there.

when DS was a baby his disabilities weren’t known. It was only from the age of about 3 we began to be fully aware of things and from the age of 5 he really needed more support in terms of wheelchairs etc. I can hand on heart say I never used disabled toilets when he was a baby unless he urgently needed changing and that was the only option (I wouldn’t use the toilet myself when in there as I had other options and I did it super speedily!) I planned in advance, I knew where the baby change rooms were and which places offered proper facilities. In many ways at that point 15 years ago I was in a lovely naive bubble about how hard life is for those with disabilities but I still knew not to abuse their facilities.

I wonder if it’s parents taking their toilet trained kids in the loo rather than a baby being changed. I admit I do this sometimes, when I have two kids with me, but strictly could use the normal loos - I just prefer to have eyes on the kids when it’s busy (like a shopping centre etc) and not have the oldest one outside of the cubicle I’m in.

Winterbones 'and does that excuse the parents with toddlers that use our bathrooms just because they don't want to leave their pushchair while they pee? or can't keep an eye on their toddler in the smaller cubicles?*'
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The sign is above the changing table, it is only for parents who are using the facility that they've been directed to as it is intended to be used. It's not outside the door to suggest you let a disabled person go first, or to leave your buggy somewhere sensible and take your toddler elsewhere. It's not at eye level as you sit and pee. It's a virtue signal/blame shift by KFC who can easily afford to give us better facilities if they deemed it important.

Don't do that

Because a lot of parents take the piss and spend upwards of half an hour in these stalls sometimes.

I go to a gym that does swimming lessons for kids and I'm often waiting nearly 45 minutes for a changing room when lessons are on because there is no sense of urgency whatsoever from the parents and no consideration for other people.

This winds me up about these shared spaces. Lots of people using disabled toilets are going to struggle to put the changing table back up.

I remember in one shopping centre where I used to live they had a parent/baby room where there was seating to sit whilst feeding baby, and a couple of cubicles that had a loo, a kiddies size loo, potty, hand basin and a changing table, it was a great idea. There was also in the main area, bottle warmers and in the cubicles free spare nappies in dispensers and baby wipes in case you didn't have any of your own.

Sing songs with them! Get them doing a nursery rhyme or whatever while you’re in there so you know they are fine.

Where was this? Sweden? Norway? Japan?

I do and will use separate loos when it’s appropriate. Like the gym, local leisure centre that sort of thing. Just in very busy public spaces I want eyes on them. No use them singing as they’re being snatched under someone’s arm and I’m mid-stream.

It was a thing in the U.K. 15 years ago

it’s all very well separate facilities being ideal but not every business can accommodate that and very few businesses have the demand to justify it. IME the disabled loo is mostly left vacant. It must be vanishingly rare that there’s a baby that needs changing and a disabled person also busting.

Sorry but that’s rubbish. They are perfectly safe stood directly out the door in communication with you all the time.

but you crack on and let your fears mean a disabled person shits themselves due to lack of toilets

You are V V V V V V V V unreasonable.

I'll let my dad piss himself then, shall I?

Strangely it’s generally only those without disabilities who experiences these always empty facilities!