People who think weight loss injections are cheating

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I've seen this viewpoint over multiple threads recently, and I'm just really curious to understand it a bit more because it makes no sense to me whatsoever.

What do you think people using the injections are cheating at?

As in - what's the competition and who are they gaining an unfair advantage over? What do you think the rules of being allowed to lose weight are/ should be?

Is it more important to you that overweight people/ those struggling with obesity lose the weight, become healthier, reduce the burden on the NHS, stop taking up more than their allocated amount of space in the world, or just stop doing whatever it is that upsets people so much about the existence of fat people -- or is it more important that they struggle and suffer whilst doing so?

Or would you secretly prefer them to remain fat so you can feel superior?

Is it that you feel you've worked really hard to either lose weight, keep it off or never put it on in the first place, so nobody else should be allowed to achieve this without the same amount of struggle?

What do you think the weight loss injections actually do, and do you not recognise that those on them are also doing all the usual things people who are trying to lose weight e.g. modify their eating, exercise etc? Does it not count that they're doing these things because it's made easier in some ways by the drug?

What types of weight loss support or tools are not 'cheating'? e.g. I used hypnosis once and it worked for a bit, to the point that I felt pretty much the same way I do with the injections i.e. reduction in food noise and compulsion to snack etc. It didn't last anything like as long, but it worked for a time - was that cheating?

Would it still be cheating if they weren't as effective as they are?

FWIW, I really couldn't care less if people think I'm cheating - who cares? Who does it impact only me and my bank balance? If someone said here, press this button and you'll be a healthy BMI overnight and stay there forever I'd press it with both hands and not give a shit about how anyone felt about it.

But it's just the logic of it that baffles me - I've never seen it as a competition and have never felt like getting to or being a healthy weight only counts if it's done in a certain way - I suppose I'm not much interested in what size anyone else is or what they do to get that way, so I can't imagine for a second ever thinking another person was 'cheating' - only ever being happy for them if they're happy and hopefully healthy too.

OK but for those who have tried desperately to do that. In my 20s I could lose weight while running ( although even with this i have been obese since my childhood and have never had a bmi below 29) . An injury that coincided with alot of personal and work stress followed by a couple of pregnancies caused me to regain weight. Every time I have tried to get back to running I have really really struggled and been in alot of pain ( arthritis in my knee and shoulder). I can swim with pain killers but it was not having the same effect.

I am constantly tired and stressed so the eat better is tough when I don't get around to cooking my dinner till late and I'm exhausted.

Maunjaro has meant I have nearly finished the couch to 5 k along side my swimming. My arthritis is drastically improved so im not living on pain killers. I have the clarity of mind to eat more healthy foods as I'm not exhausted and starving by the time I get to eat.

You realise maunjaro just gives you the boost or crutch to make the changes you suggested.

@CautiousLurker01 I cringe so hard when I see that one in particular! I mean, wow, well done! You’ve cured obesity! That should mean there will be no more fat people ever again 😂

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They should patent it…

It's nonsense, isn't it.

I don't understand this whole 'cheating' accusation. You wouldn't accuse someone taking antidepressants to feel better of cheating after all.

I've lost quite a lot of weight over the last few months, as a side effect to a medication I'm on. People have asked me "how have you done it?" and I guess I do feel like I've cheated, compared to when I did Slimming World, exercised lots, etc. It feels like it's been quite easy and I feel like that's seen as a bad thing.

I guess it is a form of 'cheating', for those who are unwilling to apply self-discipline. I can kind of see the attraction, as I have to watch what I eat most of the time. It is a chore and I wish I didn't have to do it, but it is in the interests of staying healthy as long as I can.
If the person taking it is unable/unwilling to tackle weight reduction through any effort of their own, and will still make the same poor choices when they come off it (either poor quality food or too big portions) then surely they will have to take it forever? That can't be good for anyone. Surely better to change your lifestyle by your own efforts, no matter how gradually?

But fat people are supposed to suffer for their sins!

Let’s face it, every single person complaining about cheating would take the drugs if they could get their hands on them in a hot second. A little jab once a week, or maybe a magic pill. No longer have to struggle no food noise, stay slim without the struggle. Everyone would be all over that.

The issue is fundamentally they can’t get them as they aren’t eligible, don’t have the money, or have some form of anxiety. They would all take them, it’s only cheating as they can.t

no far from cheating. Been active via a proven fit bit (bar one week of the year)

Just shy of 20 stone Nov 22 today I’m 16 stone something but I feel worse then the 19 stone me.

I have a fibroid no one seems willing to treat since I started losing this weight to the point of being woken up lied to after a general anaesthetic for those ‘women’s problems’, An under active thyroid since 91 as a 10 year old child which in recent years even the gp’s ‘forget’ about but it’s the reason (Levo)thyroxine gets a medical exemption certificate for life.

But interestingly public society would think I was wonderful for doing an nhs soup and shakes diet for 3 month’s near starvation plan (which after 2 prescriptions the nhs candidate is paying for) so why should it matter to you I take injections. I’ve certainly not classed it as cheating when expected to live through the short falls of when these GLP’1s have gone out of stock!

It takes time to lose weight, not next day and then live with the misery for trying to lose that weight.

Lots of projection from you @ThatCoralShark.

I could certainly get these drugs if I wanted them, but believe it or not the risk for me is too high.

I’m not wrong though,

Oh, my god. The point of alerting others to that unknown side-effect by that well-regarded journalist is to point out how, once again, women have been largely exluded from drug trials and are now taking en masse a drug that will have unknown effects on them - one of which is causing failure of birth control pills - and on the health/failure to thrive of any surprise babies they have.

If that unknown is unknown even by the scientists behind these drugs, it goes to show there are other unknowns in taking them. (Any fool who didn't come down in the last shower could tell you that.)

This is not about the individual user, Beryl Bloggs from Bedfordshire (until it is, I suppose), being hit by unwanted and serious short or long-term side effects, it is about masses of women participating in a worldwide unmonitored drug trial in real time.

These are not side effects. They are natural consequences of failure of contraception. Anyone taking oral contraception is told that should they have vomiting and diarrhoea they need to use barrier-method alternative. That the known side effects of WLIs include nausea and vomiting (especially coupled with possible improved fertility due to weight loss) means that it is blinking obvious that there is risk of pregnancy if you are relying on oral contraceptive. It’s not rocket science.

Did you read any of the posts responding to your article? It is scaremongering and misleading- leaving out key facts.
And you can’t do drug trials on pregnant women.

Why are you making things up : 'women have been largely excluded from drug trials'

WTAF

You are literally bonkers!

This drug has been approved by NICE, and is only available on prescription in the UK.

Any sort of stomach upset, vomiting or diarrhoea can stop the contraceptive pill from working effectively!

The weight loss benefits are proven and not subject to clinical trials, however the other observed benefits reported by users are… and they are monumental!

Here is some actual science for you, rather than tin foil hat wearers blog!

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg26234953-900-the-surprising-mental-health-and-brain-benefits-of-weight-loss-drugs/

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2409211-ozempic-and-wegovy-may-reduce-inflammation-by-targeting-the-brain/

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2371986-highly-effective-weight-loss-drug-zepbound-approved-in-the-us-and-uk/

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2456669-why-do-ozempic-and-wegovy-seem-to-treat-everything/

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2371780-everything-you-need-to-know-about-semaglutide-weight-loss-drugs/

I’m glad you have a crutch as you put it

my post was a response to someone suggesting it’s not a case of eat less move more.

you’ve just said yourself now you can eat better and move more. Which is exactly what it boils down to

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yup

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It's a well-known fact. Women of childbearing age are largely excluded from drug trials because of their menstrual cycles adding in another variable.

You could look this up.

It is a fact the manufacturers have no data on any of this - women falling pregnant despite using birth control, or the outcomes for these babies. The users of GLP1 agonists are providing the data in real time.

Here is some actual science for you, rather than tin foil hat wearers blog!

It's not a blog. It's from the ABC website - Australia's BBC. The author is not a blogger, she is a well-regarded journalist, who has spoken to the manufacturers who admit they have no idea what will eventuate in this regard.

I shall hide this thread now, as those head beaten against the wall gifs feel accurate from my side also.

People are so threatened by any facts around these drugs, to the point they put their fingers in their ears and babble like little children to block the information out - it happens on every thread.

In 5-10 years time, don't say nobody warned you of potential longterm and lifechanging side effects. They did, I've seen it on multiple threads, and all they got in the way of thanks, as I have had here, is mockery and abuse.

Pregnant women are usually excluded from drug trials , due to concerns about ethics/risks.
Most data on use of drugs during pregnancy is collected in “real time”.
This. Is. Normal.

Why are you so freaked out about weight loss injections?